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01-31-2013, 04:21 PM
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You can find DEL streams on the internet.

Legal or...otherwise.

Plus I have family just outside of Hamburg and some in Frankfurt. Obviously I hear and get less from those in Bremen. I have converted some to Jets fans, so there's some level of success I feel in that though. Are you located in Germany?
sounds reasonable

just wondered about this.


I'm from Augsburg, rival team of Red Bull Munich and about 70 km away from it

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01-31-2013, 05:09 PM
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It doesn't matter how poorly Stastny has been playing recently.

It's clear he doesn't want to play for Sacco the scrub so he's just cashing it in.

Given a change of scenery with a somewhat competent coach and wingers that can finish on a somewhat regular basis, I guarantee he will flourish.

He's too good not to.

I'd love for the Avs to keep him and see how he plays under a new coach, but since they seem to be inexplicably enamored with a coach that couldn't even win in the AHL, I see Stastny leaving before Sacco.
So I'd assume you'd have no problem with a trade that sees him go to Toronto for Dion Phaneuf & Tyler Bozak, but with the catch being that if he doesn't achieve a point-per-game this year in a Leaf uniform, we get your 2013 first round pick?

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Given Spezza's surgery - Statsny could be a reasonable option for the Sens.
A good idea. To me, the biggest question is, assuming that the Avs aren't prepared to retain salary, does he fit in as the #2 centre next year at $6.6m? Guys with full years on contract generally aren't who you trade for to replace an injured guy.

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Horrible!
Stastny is playing Bad right now.
So are the Avs As a whole.
We have larger Problems than Paul.
We desperately Need a New Coach for Years now.

And I want to See Paul under him.
Avs don't have a System and are pure Chaos on ICE.
Stazz is probably suffering the Most because of this given His cerebral
Playmaking Kind of style
Stastny's been "playing bad" for the last couple years now. At some point, that just becomes the player he is. Am I saying that has happened with Stastny? No, but suggesting that he's a lock to return to point-per-game form with a coaching change is pretty far fetched considering he hasn't been there in 3 years.

It's a lot like Leafs fans suggesting that Komisarek is a lock to return to form once they got rid of Ron Wilson. Sometimes, players just can't rebound when exposed to an ill-fitted coach for years on end.

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Staz played poorly for exactly one calendar year. He's been a PPG playmaker with an excellent two way game the rest of his career.

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02-01-2013, 10:59 AM
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sounds reasonable

just wondered about this.


I'm from Augsburg, rival team of Red Bull Munich and about 70 km away from it
Haha, that's awesome. You see them (Stastny and Wheeler) play much?

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02-01-2013, 11:05 AM
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Paul Stastny (@5.1mil / yr)


Ian Cole
Ty Rattie
2nd Round pick (2013)
1.5mil (Stastny remaining salary)
If Ty Rattie is still developing very well and Ian Cole is okay then I'd take that easily.

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Given Spezza's surgery - Statsny could be a reasonable option for the Sens.
If Sens really wanna make these playoffs then I'd do Stastny <--> Cowen who I think is injured all season? At his best, Stastny is worth a 2nd-3rd dman like Cowen (who's gonna get there hopefully). However I dunno if Ottawa takes that risk, then they have a hole on defence for the future and atm Stastny's looking bad.

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I'll take a crack from Toronto. I think the guy is an ideal fit alongside Kessel and JVR.

Clarke MacArthur
Tyler Bozak
Carl Gunnarson
2nd '13

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I'll take a crack from Toronto. I think the guy is an ideal fit alongside Kessel and JVR.

Clarke MacArthur
Tyler Bozak
Carl Gunnarson
2nd '13
I'd rather have Stastny.

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02-01-2013, 11:30 AM
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I'll take a crack from Toronto. I think the guy is an ideal fit alongside Kessel and JVR.

Clarke MacArthur
Tyler Bozak
Carl Gunnarson
2nd '13
Way too much. I'd give that up for Paul Stastny if he was playing the way he was three or four years ago. Now? Not even close.

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02-01-2013, 11:38 AM
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Way too much. I'd give that up for Paul Stastny if he was playing the way he was three or four years ago. Now? Not even close.


That is a bunch of expendable pieces + 2nd from the Leafs in exchange for filling the biggest need of the whole Leafs organisation besides goaltending.

Stazz contract is not great but if a team can afford it , it is the Leafs.


Meanwhile in Denver, Greg Sherman just felt a shudder.

If he did even think about making this trade he should be fired on the spot and banned from Denver.

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02-01-2013, 11:41 AM
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That is a bunch of expendable pieces + 2nd from the Leafs in exchange for filling the biggest need of the whole Leafs organisation besides goaltending.

Stazz contract is not great but if a team can afford it , it is the Leafs.


Meanwhile in Denver, Greg Sherman just felt a shudder.

If he did even think about making this trade he should be fired on the spot and banned from Denver.
They aren't expendable pieces. They are all NHL players but the Leafs are graduating their younger players to take their spots. Tyler Bozak is a capable 2nd line C but after acquiring Stasny he'd be redundant with our C depth being Stasny, Kadri and Grabovski.

Carl Gunnarson is a top 4 defenseman who is young and isn't that an area of Colorado's need?

That's three NHL ready, young players and a 2nd round pick.

Colorado has a young enough team right now and for them to take that next step they have to plug holes with NHL ready talent. The players offered aren't old either.

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I'd rather have Stastny.
And Id rather have Bozak, glad we are in agreement here

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02-01-2013, 11:48 AM
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And Id rather have Bozak, glad we are in agreement here
This isn't even an outrageous statement when you consider how much money a team would be committing to a player that appears to be in a steady decline from his status a few years ago.

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02-01-2013, 11:51 AM
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They aren't expendable pieces. They are all NHL players but the Leafs are graduating their younger players to take their spots. Tyler Bozak is a capable 2nd line C but after acquiring Stasny he'd be redundant with our C depth being Stasny, Kadri and Grabovski.

Carl Gunnarson is a top 4 defenseman who is young and isn't that an area of Colorado's need?

That's three NHL ready, young players and a 2nd round pick.

Colorado has a young enough team right now and for them to take that next step they have to plug holes with NHL ready talent. The players offered aren't old either.
Would any Leafs fan in the long run miss Bozak Gunnarson or especially MacArthur?

They are only blocking the spots for the young fellas.
I personally think that the Leafs should get whatever they can for this 3 pieces+ Komi + Liles at the deadline. They would benefit from that in the long run.

And you just offered those pieces for a potential (ya I know that he is not playing well but he was 1st star yesterday ) #1 C.

Given the current market, I can't envision a trade of any of COLs 3 centers for pieces that are rather expendable.

If you want to get one of those, the return going to Denver will make you cry. Like really hurt. Otherwise it makes no sense for the Avs.
We don't need depth. We have enough of that especially on D with Zanon, O'Brien, O'Byrne, Hejda, Wilson, Hunwick....

And to be honest, I don't think that Gunnar is a significant upgrade over those guys. He is essentially more of the same. Maybe a little bit better but certainly not justifying the downgrade from Stazz to Bozak.

I still don't know why Burke did not trade Mac for that alleged 1st rounder. Not a big fan...

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Present and long term defensive improvement for Colorado

Volchenkov + Urbom for Stastny ?

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They aren't expendable pieces. They are all NHL players but the Leafs are graduating their younger players to take their spots. Tyler Bozak is a capable 2nd line C but after acquiring Stasny he'd be redundant with our C depth being Stasny, Kadri and Grabovski.

Carl Gunnarson is a top 4 defenseman who is young and isn't that an area of Colorado's need?

That's three NHL ready, young players and a 2nd round pick.

Colorado has a young enough team right now and for them to take that next step they have to plug holes with NHL ready talent. The players offered aren't old either.
If that is true, which I've seen debated before, keep your 2nd and MacArthur and throw in your 1st and you have a deal.

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If that is true, which I've seen debated before, keep your 2nd and MacArthur and throw in your 1st and you have a deal.
How about no?

Toronto should get a first round pick for taking on a $6.6m/yr contract cap dump. He's currently about $4m/yr overpaid for what he brings.

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What would you guys want from Ottawa for Stastny or O'Reilly?

Maybe something like Claesson + Hoffman + 1st?

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How about no?

Toronto should get a first round pick for taking on a $6.6m/yr contract cap dump. He's currently about $4m/yr overpaid for what he brings.
Take a look at comparables... That's really all I can tell you.

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And Id rather have Bozak, glad we are in agreement here
Colorado's fan base is not proposing these Bozak for Stastny proposals. If Bozak is so valuable to the Leafs, maybe you and other posters should spend a little time to educate your fellow Leaf fans as to his value.

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How about no?

Toronto should get a first round pick for taking on a $6.6m/yr contract cap dump. He's currently about $4m/yr overpaid for what he brings.
You don't seem to grasp that Colorado has not given any indication that they are even willing to entertain trading him. Let alone for that "price".

If you think he is not worth his contract and that we should be happy to receive those pieces which are basically worth very little to the Avs , the Avs would rather keep Stazz 101 times out of 100

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Don't know if anyone brought this up (didn't read the pages 2-5)

Stastney + defender to Columbus for Ryan Johansen + John Moore/a defender

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Don't know if anyone brought this up (didn't read the pages 2-5)

Stastney + defender to Columbus for Ryan Johansen + John Moore/a defender
Columbus would never do such a deal.

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How about no?

Toronto should get a first round pick for taking on a $6.6m/yr contract cap dump. He's currently about $4m/yr overpaid for what he brings.
Counter: 1st & Phaneuf for Mitchell.

Colorado should get a first round pick for taking on a $6.5m/yr contract cap dump. He's currently about $4m/yr overpaid for what he brings.

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How about no?

Toronto should get a first round pick for taking on a $6.6m/yr contract cap dump. He's currently about $4m/yr overpaid for what he brings.
So you think 2.6m for Stastny would be fair? Yeah, you really
don't have a clue if that's what you think.


Oh, and you think the Avs view Stastny as a contract dump?? Cute.

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Present and long term defensive improvement for Colorado

Volchenkov + Urbom for Stastny ?
Volchenkov is hardly better than Hejda at this stage in his career if at all and Urbom is hardly better than the prospects we have if at all. Moving Stastny for them makes little sense to me regardless of whatever value that package may have.

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What would you guys want from Ottawa for Stastny or O'Reilly?

Maybe something like Claesson + Hoffman + 1st?
I generally pride myself on knowing more about a team's prospect pool than just their star prospects, but you just made me look up two players for really no reason at all... the 1st is the only interesting aspect of that deal and mainly because I expect it to be a higher pick.

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