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02-01-2013, 04:35 PM
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Kessel + Gunnarsson + Steckel
For
OEL + Boedker

When healthy:
JVR-Bozak-Lupul
Frattin-Kadri-Boedker
Komarov-Grabovski-Kulemin
Brown-McClement-Orr

OEL-Phaneuf
Gardiner-Komisarek
Liles-Franson


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Grabovski is much better at faceoffs now, but I wonder if he's more suited for lw.

Vanriemsdyk bozak kessel
Grabovski Connolly kulemin
Frattin Kadri komarov

Like to see this.
lol what?

Connolly doesn't belong on an NHL roster. That much is for sure. The guy is a tweener who isn't willing to play in his own end.

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Grabovski is much better at faceoffs now, but I wonder if he's more suited for lw.

Vanriemsdyk bozak kessel
Grabovski Connolly kulemin
Frattin Kadri komarov

Like to see this.
huh?

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I was just interested in hearing from all of you what you think it would take to get Paajarvi out of Edmonton. He has recently been demoted to the Barons in the AHL once again and I think he still has potential.
Holzer + Ashton or something? I dunno. I'd love to take a chance on him.

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Stastny is overrated. So is O'Reilly. Come to think of it, so is Duchene. These aren't the Sakic/Forsberg days of Pittsburgh-like center depth.

I hope we avoid any and all transactions with them.
I'd trade Kessel for Duchene straight up don't even care. Love dutchy

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I'd trade Kessel for Duchene straight up don't even care. Love dutchy
That my friend is simply foolish.

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Kessel + Gunnarsson + Steckel
For
OEL + Boedker

When healthy:
JVR-Bozak-Lupul
Frattin-Kadri-Boedker
Komarov-Grabovski-Komarov
Brown-McClement-Orr

OEL-Phaneuf
Gardiner-Komisarek
Liles-Franson
So nice. We play him twice.

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I'd trade Kessel for Duchene straight up don't even care. Love dutchy
So you'd trade Seguin and Hamilton for just Duchene?

The way I look at it, if we HAVE to trade Kessel, it should be for nothing less then what we gave up for him. If no significant offers, we keep him. Simple as that

For example, Kessel to NYI for Strome+ 2013 1st

Or

Kessel to CBJ for Murray + 2013 1st

Not saying he should be dealt to these teams, just using an example

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So you'd trade Seguin and Hamilton for just Duchene?

The way I look at it, if we HAVE to trade Kessel, it should be for nothing less then what we gave up for him. If no significant offers, we keep him. Simple as that

For example, Kessel to NYI for Strome+ 2013 1st

Or

Kessel to CBJ for Murray + 2013 1st

Not saying he should be dealt to these teams, just using an example
If you think we're getting equal value to what we gave up you're off your rocker

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So you'd trade Seguin and Hamilton for just Duchene?

The way I look at it, if we HAVE to trade Kessel, it should be for nothing less then what we gave up for him. If no significant offers, we keep him. Simple as that

For example, Kessel to NYI for Strome+ 2013 1st

Or

Kessel to CBJ for Murray + 2013 1st

Not saying he should be dealt to these teams, just using an example
Neither of those is equal value to Sequin and Hamilton. But you cant look at it that way. You have to be able to move forward at some point. If it becomes clear that Kessel wont resign here (and I think thats unlikely, I think he'll resign) then you trade him for what you can get.

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So nice. We play him twice.
Haha meant Kulemin

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Kessel + Gunnarsson + Steckel
For
OEL + Boedker

When healthy:
JVR-Bozak-Lupul
Frattin-Kadri-Boedker
Komarov-Grabovski-Kulemin
Brown-McClement-Orr

OEL-Phaneuf
Gardiner-Komisarek
Liles-Franson
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Haha ya. Guys a stud.

Boedker and Kadri also had unreal chemistry in the past, and that line would be really solid moving forward... All high potential young guns.

OEL will give us something on our backend that we haven't had in forever... A Young #1 stud.

With Rielly coming up soon they'd make a solid top pairing

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Neither of those is equal value to Sequin and Hamilton. But you cant look at it that way. You have to be able to move forward at some point. If it becomes clear that Kessel wont resign here (and I think thats unlikely, I think he'll resign) then you trade him for what you can get.
Murray >> Hamilton, IMO

And that 1st would likely be awfully close to 1st OA.

I'd do this if their first is top 6. I'm a huge fan of Ryan Murray.

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Murray >> Hamilton, IMO

And that 1st would likely be awfully close to 1st OA.

I'd do this if their first is top 6. I'm a huge fan of Ryan Murray.
I would do that as well.

CBJ wouldn't I'd think

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I would do that as well.

CBJ wouldn't I'd think
Yeah I agree.

Damn.

lol

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But just imagine adding Murray and Monahan to our futures. Would be UNREAL. Monahan, Kadri, JVR, and co (I still want ROR) up front with Rielly, Murray, Gards etc. holding down the fort in the back end.

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I'd be interested in a project for project trade with another team. Colborne for another struggling prospect. Joe needs a change of scenery/ quite frankly, I don't expect anything out of him and would like to get another potential player for him.

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I'd be interested in a project for project trade with another team. Colborne for another struggling prospect. Joe needs a change of scenery/ quite frankly, I don't expect anything out of him and would like to get another potential player for him.
Colborne for Stransky

Stransky isn't struggling but he's a lower profile prospect. Has lots of potential IMO.

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I'd be interested in a project for project trade with another team. Colborne for another struggling prospect. Joe needs a change of scenery/ quite frankly, I don't expect anything out of him and would like to get another potential player for him.
I heard Joe was doing just fine with the Marlies. 12pts in the last 9 games if I heard the guy on TSN 1050 right.

I would leave him alone for another year or two. Let him become the leader of the Marlies. Improve his two way play and faceofff skills. Then at maybe 25 give him a shot at the 3rd or 4th line with the Leafs.

Remember when Madden scored 24 goals on the 4th line with NJD? Wouldn't that be a sweet thing to have on the Leafs in a few years? Kind of thing that makes a team a champion. Colborne is a potential piece. If he is willing to play the part of a 4th liner he has the skill to capitalize on the opportunities he gets. Don't get rid of him just yet.

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If you look at most #1C around the NHL and consider their contract and current situation which C do you think would be most realistic to get?

Someone struggling that is young, proven and has a albatross contract seem right? Also consider that the Leafs dont want to blow up the team and trading for a MASSIVE contract to balance out the assets going the other way, will be a KEY bargaining chip.

After everything is considered the clear cut favorite to meet that description is.....

Nicklas Backstrom!

He has a NTC that kicks in 2016 so he can be moved... He has a massive contract and looks like he needs a change of scenery! It's clear Washington needs a serious shot in the arm as well. Backstrom would fit Toronto PERFECTLY. It's would be Kessel's dream center. He is young and an elite center when healthy.

When trying to come up with a cost i looked to the Richards deal because of length of contract, numbers, capabilities, age, cap hit and status on their team.

Bozak + Frattin + 2nd for Backstrom

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Looks like Colborne is recovered from his off-season surgery as he had 12 points (3G, 9A) in 9 Marlies game in January.

Next season Colborne will getting near that make or break portion of his career where he either makes the jump to the NHL and fits into a top 9 or he becomes a suitcase/yo yo NHL/AHLer type.

I'm confident Colborne can make the jump and play 3rd line type minutes next year (13 - 15 minutes a night).

Kadri has also shown he belongs in the show this year and should be getting a bump in minutes up to the 15-18 minute a night range (typical 2nd line minutes).

I say we trade Grabo and his overpaid salary at the deadline (when we're probably out of the playoff race) to create lots of cap space to head into the off-season with and because the trade return will be greater at the deadline then in the off-season.

Bozak can be reinked but only on our terms. I wouldn't pay him much more then 2.5 million. Guy is Dominic Moore 2.0. A 3rd liner who is getting a 1st line opportunity.

McClement will either be our 3rd or 4th line center.

Next season we'd have:

# 1 center: Getzlaf as first preference, 2A. option being we make a trade for a star player or 2B. Sign Weiss and/or Roy. Worst case situation we have Bozak there.

# 2 center: Kadri

# 3/4 center: Battle between Colborne, McClement and potentially Bozak.

If acquring a # 1 center doesn't work out we can still have more cap space than almost any team in the league to take on undesirable contracts to acquire additonal picks/prospects (like the Lombardi deal which netted us Franson OR how the Sharks acquired a 1st rounder for taking on Vladimir Malakhovs contract in 06).

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Well Loktionov wants to be traded because he feels he is NHL ready (which he may or may not be) .. If he's ok with playing in the minors to start with Toronto, I'm good with it .. But really we're not going to stick him at the 4th centre, and Grabo/Kadri and good in their roles right now .. So you'd be looking to replace Bozak, which bears the question can Loktionov be an upgrade over Bozak? Skill wise, possibly, but Loktionov isn't another small centre in an area where the Leafs need to upgrade size

I just don't see the fit right now, though a deal around C-mac, one of our d-man, Bernier and Loktionov does interest me a lot
Or Bozak wants to much money on a new contract.

Or we trade trade Grabo because he's overpaid well we can still get some assets in return for him.

Loktionov might not be the player Bozak is right now and definitely not Grabo. Loktionov though comes on a cheap contract which could allow us to have cap space for that # 1 center, top pairing right D and goaltender we need.

Loktionov might also just need an opportunity just like Grabo did or Bozak did or Kadri did or most recently Frattin.

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I'd trade Kessel for Duchene straight up don't even care. Love dutchy
Why not get Duchene to play alongside Kessel?

He's 22 years old, so obtaining him right now when his value isn't as high as its been in the past, would be a good thing. And still, I would overpay for him.

The trade that I would make would be:

To Colorado:
F Clarke MacArthur
F Tyler Bozak
D Jake Gardiner
F Joe Colborne

To Toronto:
F Matt Duchene
F Garret Meurs
2014 Conditional pick - depending on if one of the 2 UFA's sign or not.


My reasoning would be:

1. You get your all-star quality centreman for the next 2 years at a very manageable contract.

2. You sign him longterm and have your problem solved with a player that you know what you'll get out of.

3. Gardiner is a tough one to lose, but with the depth of defense on the Leafs and Rielly almost making the team out of camp, it makes it a little easier to take.

4. The current blueliners on the team are doing an adequate job in playing the Carlyle system. They also have contracts to be paid for the next couple years, so it gives time for Finn, Percy and Blacker to develop and come in to compete for spots.

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If you look at most #1C around the NHL and consider their contract and current situation which C do you think would be most realistic to get?

Someone struggling that is young, proven and has a albatross contract seem right? Also consider that the Leafs dont want to blow up the team and trading for a MASSIVE contract to balance out the assets going the other way, will be a KEY bargaining chip.

After everything is considered the clear cut favorite to meet that description is.....

Nicklas Backstrom!

He has a NTC that kicks in 2016 so he can be moved... He has a massive contract and looks like he needs a change of scenery! It's clear Washington needs a serious shot in the arm as well. Backstrom would fit Toronto PERFECTLY. It's would be Kessel's dream center. He is young and an elite center when healthy.

When trying to come up with a cost i looked to the Richards deal because of length of contract, numbers, capabilities, age, cap hit and status on their team.

Bozak + Frattin + 2nd for Backstrom


Dude all of your proposals are WAY off. Like not even slightly close. I'm beginning to wonder if you're trolling.

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Loktionov is a really interesting player, but we don't have a spot for him, and I don't think he's that good.

Nice skill set though.

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