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02-01-2013, 12:49 PM
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Let's change DD and Eller's diapers too while we're at it.
What an incredibly insightful and intelligent response. Truly.

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02-01-2013, 12:53 PM
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Middle six lines I think could make better use of DD and Eller:

DD-AG-EC
BP-LE-BG

The big challenge would be for Gallagher to move off the sheltered line. I think, with Subban giving us a couple of top pairings for our forwards to play in front of, he might be able to adapt.

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02-01-2013, 01:06 PM
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I never suggested we dump DD. I love they guy. But I've decided this year not to tolerate Habs players who have slumps and are inconsistent. First 6 games, last 6 games, I don't care. 20 ****ing years without a cup. I've had enough.
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I don't have patience for him. I don't have patience for any under performing player guys here think should be on the Habs during our cup window the next 3-5 years. I expect them to perform.

This is gonna be my attitude this year. Sorry if it pisses guys off, it is not personal.
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Here's hoping he bounces back soon. I think he's a positive for the team overall.

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02-01-2013, 01:23 PM
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Yes yes, we all know, DD sucked at the end of last year. He 'Only' had a measly 16pts in his last 20 games of last year. Horrible. While your great Eller had a whopping 4G, 2A. Amazing.

Why are you trying so hard to diss DD? Yes, he's sucking right now and isn't the ideal C like your Eller may be but frankly he has proven to produce way more than Eller ever has.
A streak! it starts when a guy START to produce or not....and ENDS when a guy restart to produce or stop his productions.

Let's be clear...if Eller must be traded, let's try to trade him as 3rd line center, possibly 2nd......not as a winger/4th line center!

Cause that's what Eller is right now...a good 3rd Line center, possible a OK 2nd line centerman in the future. Dragging the value of a player down and then trade him it's just plain stupid.

Don't forget one thing about Eller.
Played in Europe and he ended up with 1 points per games
Just like Filpulla, M. Koivu and Kyle Turris did (Same league)

So mayby you want to try this guy first.
He is not "my Eller".

Just one good wingers and 1 minutes of powerplay for 5 to 6 games
Not much too ask, but still waiting for it

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02-01-2013, 01:27 PM
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Here's hoping he bounces back soon. I think he's a positive for the team overall.
Currently, he is -3 on the team.

Just had to say it

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02-01-2013, 01:36 PM
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Currently, he is -3 on the team.

Just had to say it
His even strength percentages are terrible. 3.13 on ice shooting %, .885 on ice save %. These are bound to improve. The Habs have been outshooting the opposition when DD is on the ice.

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02-01-2013, 01:42 PM
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Currently, he is -3 on the team.

Just had to say it
What would Patofqc say?

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Currently, he is -3 on the team.

Just had to say it
lol. Intangibles? Locker room? Anyhow, he'll improve.

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Before anyone is written off we should see how they play with Subban. Desharnais benefited a lot from playing with Subban last year. Desharnais' playmaking was great but he's not a particularly good puck handler. He has dinosaur arms. This is one reason we need science to find a way to make DD and Eller into one player.

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02-01-2013, 02:50 PM
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A streak! it starts when a guy START to produce or not....and ENDS when a guy restart to produce or stop his productions.
Whoops, sorry, didn't realize getting goals is the only production that counts. In that case, yes, it's been a while since he had a goal.
Nevermind assists. Those are meaningless.

Why bring up and combine last years stats anyhow? If we are to cherry pick stats like that, even Pleky has long droughts of no goals! Oh No! We must get rid of him!

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02-01-2013, 02:53 PM
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Don't forget one thing about Eller.
Played in Europe and he ended up with 1 points per games
Just like Filpulla, M. Koivu and Kyle Turris did (Same league)

So mayby you want to try this guy first.
Whoops, I already have. So terribly sorry.

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02-01-2013, 02:58 PM
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Since the beginning of the season?

Yes. Indeed. Not a big gap, but yes.

People are saying that Eller got every chances in the world to produce.. OMG really? Where did he play? Did he get any PP? How many games did he play in "C"? Who are his best wingers?

DD started the season with his usual wingers. Two 30 goals scorers. Playing on the PP and getting top minutes. In other words, ALL THE CHANCES to produce. He didn't do anything with that.

DD hasn't done anything so far this season, just like Eller, but difference is that DD actually got and still getting every chances to produce.

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02-01-2013, 03:17 PM
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People are saying that Eller got every chances in the world to produce.. OMG really? Where did he play? Did he get any PP? How many games did he play in "C"? Who are his best wingers?

DD started the season with his usual wingers. Two 30 goals scorers. Playing on the PP and getting top minutes. In other words, ALL THE CHANCES to produce. He didn't do anything with that.

DD hasn't done anything so far this season, just like Eller, but difference is that DD actually got and still getting every chances to produce.
So why doesn't Pleky start off with scrubs every year? Oh right, because he has done his time in the lower ranks and has produced and earned his way up to the top line. Wait, what about DD then? Oh wait, he started out in the lower ranks too, produced and earned his way up. He didn't 'Just' show up into the NHL as a top line C or given top line wingers.
The difference is Eller, is still stuck in the lower ranks and hasn't produced nor earned his way to the top lines.

Now, in saying that, I don't mind the idea of Eller centering DD and Cole. If that works, absolutely fine by me.

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02-01-2013, 03:44 PM
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With DD and Eller, writing's on the wall that one will get traded, unless one would thrive at wing which I do not see happening.

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If anything...
PK's return could really help DD (and, to a lesser extent, Eller -- different skillset) due to puck-rushing.

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Oh FFS.
The post correlates perfectly with your attitude though. No slumps allowed, no excuses, all players who slump must be replaced, right?

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02-01-2013, 05:19 PM
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What would Patofqc say?
Trade Plekanec?

or

Trade Plekanec

maybe

Trade Plekanec

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Whoops, sorry, didn't realize getting goals is the only production that counts. In that case, yes, it's been a while since he had a goal.
Nevermind assists. Those are meaningless.

Why bring up and combine last years stats anyhow? If we are to cherry pick stats like that, even Pleky has long droughts of no goals! Oh No! We must get rid of him!
Pleky longest streak without scoring in the last two years.....8 games.
No no, the assist still mean something, sucked at that too though!


Twist this anyway you want but:

DD never been good on PP (Worst PP last season and he's slowly loosing his spot this year).

He can't play on the PK, never was.

So his games is basically 5 on 5
But he only had 3 passes in the last 17 games at 5 on 5
And 15 of those was with Pacioretty and Cole

So where do we go from here???

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02-01-2013, 08:01 PM
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Pleky longest streak without scoring in the last two years.....8 games.
No no, the assist still mean something, sucked at that too though!


Twist this anyway you want but:

DD never been good on PP (Worst PP last season and he's slowly loosing his spot this year).

He can't play on the PK, never was.

So his games is basically 5 on 5
But he only had 3 passes in the last 17 games at 5 on 5
And 15 of those was with Pacioretty and Cole

So where do we go from here???
Desharnais was first in 5v4 point production on the team. t-9th in goal scoring on the PP. I'd ask what you were smoking, but I imagine it has to be out of my price range.

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Umm...rather not fair to only look at the last two years considering DD has ONLY been in the league for 1.5 years.

Plek:
2005/06: final 19 games + 6 in playoffs + 11 in the beginning of 2006/07 = 31 games or 37 games if you include playoffs.
2006/07: 14 games
2008/09: final 13 games + 4 in playoffs + 2 in the beginning of 2009/10 = 15 or 19 depending on if you count playoffs.
2009/10: final 13 games + 2 in the beginning of 2010/2011 = 15 games.

Now I think we can all say the Plek deserves to be in the Habs and has accounted pretty well over his career but if you are going to harp on DD about his current slump in his 2nd full year in the NHL, then you should also remember that Pleks had his own slumps

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Pleky longest streak without scoring in the last two years.....8 games.
No no, the assist still mean something, sucked at that too though!


Twist this anyway you want but:

DD never been good on PP (Worst PP last season and he's slowly loosing his spot this year).

He can't play on the PK, never was.

So his games is basically 5 on 5
But he only had 3 passes in the last 17 games at 5 on 5
And 15 of those was with Pacioretty and Cole

So where do we go from here???
Edit: Just realized that the last game on 2005/06 Plek scored so technically he had 19 games without a goal, followed by the one goal then followed by 17 games (6 playoffs and beginning of 2006/07) without a goal.


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What an incredibly insightful and intelligent response. Truly.
Yeah, I'm being an angry old man, sorry. Plus I post at midnight here while you guys are having lunch, so I'm often a couple of Vodkas in.

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Yeah, I'm being an angry old man, sorry. Plus I post at midnight here while you guys are having lunch, so I'm often a couple of Vodkas in.

No offense to anyone, all good guys here.
Best thing to do is go cheer for the Leafs for a while...you'll come back and realize the world isn't all hell on earth as you may have thought

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You're the kind of sport fan that scares me a little... Please remember that hockey is a game, so Robert de Niro doesn't have to play your role in a sports/crime movie one day.
No worries, I do have a life, too much of one lately in fact. I won't be beating anyone with a baseball bat, promise.

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Before anyone is written off we should see how they play with Subban. Desharnais benefited a lot from playing with Subban last year. Desharnais' playmaking was great but he's not a particularly good puck handler. He has dinosaur arms. This is one reason we need science to find a way to make DD and Eller into one player.
That's a very good point, they might both improve with Subban.

Anyhow I hope this team doesn't choose to keep Desharnais over Eller if it comes down to it. If we go with Galchenyuk-Plekanec as our top-2 centers, then Eller can be a valid 3rd line center, whereas Desharnais cannot be.

The only valid reason to trade Eller instead of Desharnais is if Eller brings in more trade value.

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