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02-01-2013, 08:55 PM
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re visiting the carter/richards trades

Would this team be a lot better right now with carter and Richards instead of vora,simmonds,couturier,schenn? Discuss.

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Grossmann also.

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Would this team be a lot better right now with carter and Richards instead of vora,simmonds,couturier,schenn? Discuss.
Excellent timing.

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Who knows and who cares. It's irrelevent now. All i know is Voracek, Couturier, and B.Schenn need to get their ***** kicked.

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Lets face it, the management of this team took a HUGE gamble.



They took a team that went to the cup a year ago, but crapped the bed the second half of the next season and pretty much ripped its heart out. Now, you can say whatever you want about attitude issues or whatever, but Carter and Richards were both entering their prime as hockey players, and past history had shown that they could produce, but they could never get a cup and snider and holmgren were impatient.


So we pretty much gambled and gave away two top players in their prime who couldnt seem to get over the hump for a bunch of prospects and rookies.

It was incredibly risky, but I guess they believed that you couldnt win with either guy (ironic huh). Now, I do believe that we still got left with a good deal.

Simmonds, Couts, Voracek, and Schenn may end up working out, but not without a few growing pains.

This team got a major facelift and did well the first year, but maybe were hitting a softmore slump, and a bad one at that.



Homer risked it all, we will know in a few years if he set us back a decade or made the deal of his life, but with the cup in LA right now, hes not looking too good.

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Probably wouldn't be any worst- I think you have to throw Bryz into the mix with the players coming in for Richards and Carter. Wasn't Carter moved to make money available for Bryzgalov? My honest opinion is that Richards would have been a better player as a Flyer rather than a King, whereas the opposite appears true for Carter.

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Whatever you thought at the time of the trade, I don't see much reason to change your mind now. Everybody knew Carter and Richards were excellent players. It made no sense to get back an 18 year old and a 20 year old and expect them to replace what was lost immediately. Basically, anybody who was a fan of those trades before should have the patience to deal with Schenn and Couturier growing up.

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What if only keeping Richards? We won the carter trade but schenn looks brutal and Richards is better than Simmonds.

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Would this team be a lot better right now with carter and Richards instead of vora,simmonds,couturier,schenn? Discuss.
If the clueless one had chosen Dougie Hamilton with the 8th pick in the 2011 entry draft instead of Couturier, then the Carter trade would have netted you Simmonds, a top 4 winger, and Hamilton, a stud defenseman, and therefore getting the best of that trade.

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What if only keeping Richards? We won the carter trade but schenn looks brutal and Richards is better than Simmonds.
Doesn't Couturier also look kinda brutal, and isn't Carter better than Voracek?

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Wow...seriously? The whoe team has been terrible in general and they're all very young.

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Carter is playing the best hockey of his career right now. Richards had a slow start but is also getting going and it looks like Gagne has worked his way up to their line after being a healthy scratch. As Holmgren said, we sure got different.

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Probably not, I still believe Schenn and Couts will develop into fine players. They're just having an awful sophmore slump.

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I'd probably still do the trades. My biggest problem with them was that they did not get one d-man back.

Carter looks great right now though.

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Would this team be a lot better right now with carter and Richards instead of vora,simmonds,couturier,schenn? Discuss.
Yes it would be. Those trades set the team back for years. Not has scary has it used to be. Much smaller team as well.

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I love threads like this. All the Monday morning quarterbacks can get in here and beat their chests.

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We have very young players who have great potential. Young players will have their struggles. That's what's happening. Look at it this way, if they keep playing like this, we could potentially land stud dman, Seth Jones. He'd fit right in with our young core. I seriously believe these trades will pay off. People just need to realize it wont happen right away.

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One thing I never want is for the Flyers organization to stop being aggressive and taking gambles in regards to trades.

I am still all for the Carter trade. The Richards trade.... ehhh, I go back and forth on that, but I think it was still a good move.

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02-01-2013, 09:33 PM
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I'm glad Carter is paying great, but it shouldn't have taken him 7 seasons and two trades to realize that he has to bring it every night in this league.

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Couts will be fine, just a sophmore in a slump. I still have some faith in Schenn cause he's still pretty young and also a sophmore in a slump. Simmonds has been great. And Voracek will either turn it around or be a trade asset. I still have no problem with these trades.

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Well ya, obviously right now it would be. But for the next five years the Flyers will, hopefully, be better because of the trades. This is looking like one of those growing pains seasons, similar to 06-07.

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The growing pain season came a year late. Interestingly, many of our predictions for last year ended up coming true this year. We struggle on offense and goaltending is at least solid.

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