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02-01-2013, 07:10 PM
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Our PK

Just an observation, and maybe I'm wrong, but....

Why is it that when we are on the PP the teams killing the penalty chase us all over the ice, resulting in our PP not being able to set anything up,

Yet when we are killing penalties, we set up in this little box in front of the net and let the other teams set up and move the puck at will?

There is a reason we are the worst PK in the league, just trying to speculate why.

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02-01-2013, 07:11 PM
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Just an observation, and maybe I'm wrong, but....

Why is it that when we are on the PP the teams killing the penalty chase us all over the ice, resulting in our PP not being able to set anything up,

Yet when we are killing penalties, we set up in this little box in front of the net and let the other teams set up and move the puck at will?

There is a reason we are the worst PK in the league, just trying to speculate why.
Tonight, the PK guys are getting tired.

Other nights, no clue. Systemic.

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Tonight, the PK guys are getting tired.

Other nights, no clue. Systemic.
Yeah, I mean tonight may not be fair, but I see the same in every game.

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I noticed this as well we have little to no pressure at all on our PK. It seems to me like most of the teams put a lot of pressure on our PP. That may be a specific thing teams do to us because our PP is pretty predictable and we don't have the passing skill some other teams have to exploit the pressure. I certainly do find it to be a weird and noticeable thing though.


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I noticed this as well we have little to no pressure at all on our PK. It seems to me like most of the teams put a lot of pressure on our PP. That may be a specific thing teams do to us because are PP is pretty predictable and we don't have the passing skill some other teams have to exploit the pressure. I certainly do find it to be a weird and noticeable thing though.
Our PP system isn't great either, it's all going through Byfuglien. Easy enough to figure out, he's just good at getting into open space and slamming that shot.

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Who runs our special teams(coach wise)?

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Who runs our special teams(coach wise)?
I think Perry Pearn was brought in to run most of that. Him and Pascal Vincent, for sure, between the 2 of them.

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I think Perry Pearn was brought in to run most of that. Him and Pascal Vincent, for sure, between the 2 of them.
For some reason I thought Huddy ran the PK and Vincent the PP maybe?

Either way, our special teams have been dismal for both seasons now.

Pitchforks might be out soon.

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It's not hard to become good at PK and PP, you just watch what the best teams(best team in Pentaly Killing and the best team on the Power Play) are doing and try to the best of your ability to copy that.
Use the “Bowman Index”,
http://www.cowhideandrubber.com/tag/scotty-bowman

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Just an observation, and maybe I'm wrong, but....

Why is it that when we are on the PP the teams killing the penalty chase us all over the ice, resulting in our PP not being able to set anything up,

Yet when we are killing penalties, we set up in this little box in front of the net and let the other teams set up and move the puck at will?

There is a reason we are the worst PK in the league, just trying to speculate why.
Other teams are better.

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Just an observation, and maybe I'm wrong, but....

Why is it that when we are on the PP the teams killing the penalty chase us all over the ice, resulting in our PP not being able to set anything up,

Yet when we are killing penalties, we set up in this little box in front of the net and let the other teams set up and move the puck at will?

There is a reason we are the worst PK in the league, just trying to speculate why.
Couldn't have said it better myself... I thought Pearn was supposed to help us in this area

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02-01-2013, 09:00 PM
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doesn't help when your most important penalty killer isn't getting the job done...that being pavelec...

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02-01-2013, 09:25 PM
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Who runs our special teams(coach wise)?
Pearn, wonder why he was fired after 5 games in Montreal last season.

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For some reason I thought Huddy ran the PK and Vincent the PP maybe?

Either way, our special teams have been dismal for both seasons now.

Pitchforks might be out soon.
PP has actually been above average for quite some time. 12th in the league in 2010-11 and 2011-12. Even for all the ugly moments this season, we're firing at a 23.5% clip (once again, good for 12th in the league). As long as they've got guys like Buff and Enstrom, the Jets PP will always be above average.

PK, that's a different story.

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One word...Yikes.

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One word...Yikes.
I can't recall when I've seen a PK that was so bad the other team was virtually guaranteed to score on every other power play.

Or in some cases, every power play.

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Check out our PK sv%...

NameTOI/60SA/60OnIceSv%GA
Slater 1.76 34.1 0.700 14.61
Antropov 1.69 55.7 0.733 20.25
Thorburn 1.42 30.1 0.714 12.04
Burmistrov 1.25 61.8 0.750 20.61
Ponikarovsky 0.75 34.1 0.750 11.36
Little 0.73 11.8 0.500 11.76

When your goalie is saving 3/4 shots AT BEST... you have some PK problems...
Don't know why Burmi and Antro's SA got so bad... they normally are really good...

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They have no puck pressure and they are slow to rotate when the puck is moved.

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I can't recall when I've seen a PK that was so bad the other team was virtually guaranteed to score on every other power play.

Or in some cases, every power play.
Starts with the goal-tender out, when your goal-tender consistently gets beat glove high or goes down to early and everything flies over his shoulders you have problems.

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Check out our PK sv%...

NameTOI/60SA/60OnIceSv%GA
Slater 1.76 34.1 0.700 14.61
Antropov 1.69 55.7 0.733 20.25
Thorburn 1.42 30.1 0.714 12.04
Burmistrov 1.25 61.8 0.750 20.61
Ponikarovsky 0.75 34.1 0.750 11.36
Little 0.73 11.8 0.500 11.76

When your goalie is saving 3/4 shots AT BEST... you have some PK problems...
Don't know why Burmi and Antro's SA got so bad... they normally are really good...
Dont forget about those deflections. As a goalie, it is really difficult to make a save on a deflected point shot, no matter how hard the shot is. (You being a goalie yourself you should know that)

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02-01-2013, 11:18 PM
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Here's a solution. STAY OUT OF THE BOX!. No disipline. These heros win a few games against some good teams, then think they can walk all over every team with undisiplined play. Wright last night. Who the hell is that hero to be scrapping over a hit that wasn't all that bad!!! He is not the team enforcer..... Hes lucky to be on the team. Bringing in the no names and that what we will have. Guys trying to prove themselves. I'll bet Jason Jaffery will be in the lineup for next game. Wellwood is a waste, Schef is a waste, who ya gonna bring up? Sorry for being a downer, but Im just pointing out what I see, and it dosn't look good.

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Dont forget about those deflections. As a goalie, it is really difficult to make a save on a deflected point shot, no matter how hard the shot is. (You being a goalie yourself you should know that)
Well as a goalie I know strong position improves your odds on those deflections...
and common... you cannot say ALL of those are incompetent players...

It's not like Pavelec is the only goalie facing tips from that distance...
As the Jets' announcer said "Pavelec needs to stop those ones. It's not easy but it's still something he has to do."


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I can't recall when I've seen a PK that was so bad the other team was virtually guaranteed to score on every other power play.

Or in some cases, every power play.
I did. Parts of the Leafs PK last season. I remember the NYE game, whenever they took a penalty in the 2nd, I called every goal on the PP. Every time a Leafs player was in the box, the puck went in, it seemed. Of course, after that game they went on a run where they didn't give up a PP goal for the whole month of January.

Watching the Hawks-Canucks game, the Hawks PK is miles ahead of where the Jets' is. Aggressive on the puck carrier, but not so much to give up their shape, and defencemen who clear the front of the net.

Pavelec gets criticized for the goals he gives up, but on the PK, a lot of the goals are deflections, which the goalie traditionally has trouble with.

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Here's a solution. STAY OUT OF THE BOX!. No disipline. These heros win a few games against some good teams, then think they can walk all over every team with undisiplined play. Wright last night. Who the hell is that hero to be scrapping over a hit that wasn't all that bad!!! He is not the team enforcer..... Hes lucky to be on the team. Bringing in the no names and that what we will have. Guys trying to prove themselves. I'll bet Jason Jaffery will be in the lineup for next game. Wellwood is a waste, Schef is a waste, who ya gonna bring up? Sorry for being a downer, but Im just pointing out what I see, and it dosn't look good.
What team takes no penalties?

The most successful teams have good penalty kills. The answer "don't take penalties" is ridiculous.

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