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02-01-2013, 11:00 PM
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1. I never said that it did.
Then why even mention it? It has no bearing here.

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2. It depends on the injury.
Where does "non-existent" fall in the injury spectrum?

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02-01-2013, 11:03 PM
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The way I see it:
Staal's actions are 2min/5min worthy as they are described in the rulebook (crosschecking, slashing...)
Malkin's whack is suspension worthy, not a normal game infraction that deserves just an in-game penalty.

My two cents.

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02-01-2013, 11:03 PM
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Then why even mention it? It has no bearing here.



Where does "non-existent" fall in the injury spectrum?
It absolutely has bearing here, because it was a similar play (and also introduced to show that I am far from biased here as I was anticipating being called such). If that was a 10 game suspension, I think that what Malkin did was "half" as bad and warrants about half the games.

The problem is you don't see these plays all that often. A handful of times a year at most. So you have to compare them to what you can find.

Non-existent does not mean that the play should not be suspendable. Again, you completely ignore the fact that if you don't suspend players for flagrant acts like this, than they will continue to do them without fear because they know that injuries are relatively rare. You punish the act -- not the aftermath.

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02-01-2013, 11:04 PM
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The way I see it:
Staal's actions are 2min/5min worthy as they are described in the rulebook (crosschecking, slashing...)
Malkin's whack is suspension worthy, not a normal game infraction that deserves just an in-game penalty.

My two cents.
Exactly the way I see it.

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02-01-2013, 11:09 PM
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i agree with this post ... but honestly staal looks like he's in kidergarden trying to mimic the motion so it would get attention...truth is he was going to throw his body on malkin, on top of his stick and bodycheck ... pretty laughable to see him complain when malkin - a player a hundred times better - shows him who's the most gritty of the two ...
I had no idea people still thought like this. Very refreshing . I just might break out my "All in the family" dvd's just so I can watch Archie Bunker ,which you remind me of.

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02-01-2013, 11:14 PM
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It absolutely has bearing here, because it was a similar play (and also introduced to show that I am far from biased here as I was anticipating being called such). If that was a 10 game suspension, I think that what Malkin did was "half" as bad and warrants about half the games.

The problem is you don't see these plays all that often. A handful of times a year at most. So you have to compare them to what you can find.
You do see those plays, and fairly regularly. You don't see those plays get suspended in the NHL is because they're not suspendable offenses.

OHL suspensions could not mean less when determining NHL actions. They're total non-factors. The only reason Thomas is being brought up is because there's no NHL precedent for suspension. Period.

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Non-existent does not mean that the play should not be suspendable. Again, you completely ignore the fact that if you don't suspend players for flagrant acts like this, than they will continue to do them without fear because they know that injuries are relatively rare. You punish the act -- not the aftermath.
You acknowledged that injury is a factor, but depending on the injury. Staal was not injured. Is there a lesser state of injury than "not injured"?

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02-01-2013, 11:15 PM
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I had no idea people still thought like this. Very refreshing . I just might break out my "All in the family" dvd's just so I can watch Archie Bunker ,which you remind me of.
That's a great show.

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02-01-2013, 11:16 PM
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Penguins haters still have nothing better to do huh? Staal was being a punk and a baby. Get over it.

If David Backes was a Penguin, his hit in the game against the Red Wings would be considered a cheap shot and worthy of at least a 5 game suspension.

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02-01-2013, 11:18 PM
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You do see those plays, and fairly regularly. You don't see those plays get suspended in the NHL is because they're not suspendable offenses.

OHL suspensions could not mean less when determining NHL actions. They're total non-factors. The only reason Thomas is being brought up is because there's no NHL precedent for suspension. Period.



You acknowledged that injury is a factor, but depending on the injury. Staal was not injured. Is there a lesser state of injury than "not injured"?
No. You really don't see players getting slashed in the head regularly.

I already said the reason I brought up the OHL suspension and that's not it.

I have no idea what your third paragraph even means. Just because a player is not injured on the play does not mean that the play is not a suspendable play.

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02-01-2013, 11:20 PM
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Penguins haters still have nothing better to do huh?
You continue to think that everyone who disagrees with you is a "Penguins hater." Why do you feel that way? Why would every single person who thinks that Malkin's play could/should be suspendable be a "Penguins hater?" Perhaps they are just people who hate seeing players slash players in the head and want those type of stick fouls out of the game.

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02-01-2013, 11:21 PM
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You do see those plays, and fairly regularly. You don't see those plays get suspended in the NHL is because they're not suspendable offenses.
Nope. You do not.

Defenders of this have now turned to the always entertaining "making **** up" approach.

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No. You really don't see players getting slashed in the head regularly.

I already said the reason I brought up the OHL suspension and that's not it.

I have no idea what your third paragraph even means. Just because a player is not injured on the play does not mean that the play is not a suspendable play.
You have been the sweet voice of reason in this thread.

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You have been the sweet voice of reason in this thread.
I'd be hypocritical if I wasn't being the voice of reason here. I've always been an outspoken person when it comes to stick fouls to the head like this. They are my least favorite part of the game and, to me, one of the dirtiest things a player can do.

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02-01-2013, 11:25 PM
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So you're saying there are times when it's OK to to use your stick as a weapon to the head of another player?
So you're saying there are times when it's OK to use your stick as a weapon to wrists and knees of another player?

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02-01-2013, 11:27 PM
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No. You really don't see players getting slashed in the head regularly.
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Nope. You do not.
Yes, you do. That's why it was so incredibly easy to find that Del Zotto clip from last year.

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I already said the reason I brought up the OHL suspension and that's not it.
That's exactly it! You said Thomas' actions got a 10 game suspension and Malkin's was about half as bad, so he deserved a 5 game suspension!

That explicitly implies that you think Thomas' suspension set a precedent for the NHL. It did no such thing. Suspensions in the OHL mean nothing.

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I have no idea what your third paragraph even means. Just because a player is not injured on the play does not mean that the play is not a suspendable play.
There's no NHL precedent for a suspension and Staal is fine - didn't miss a shift. There's not a leg to stand on here.

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02-01-2013, 11:28 PM
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So you're saying there are times when it's OK to use your stick as a weapon to wrists and knees of another player?
Against the Penguins it is, and they can't do anything in response.

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02-01-2013, 11:41 PM
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lol this forum is pathetic, but gives me laughs

he was being shoved into the ground n his arms were all over n his stick flung up n hit staal give me a break. He was on the ground and saw him coming for him AGAIN and he threw up his arms and his stick hit staal.

Such a complete joke if hes suspended


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02-01-2013, 11:54 PM
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Yes, you do. That's why it was so incredibly easy to find that Del Zotto clip from last year.
The two aren't remotely comparable. Keep reaching though, it's hilarious to see which argument you try to make next.

If it happens "regularly", mind pulling up a few more examples? Thanks bud.

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The two aren't remotely comparable. Keep reaching though, it's hilarious to see which argument you try to make next.

If it happens "regularly", mind pulling up a few more examples? Thanks bud.
I think that they are comparable. MDZ's is not as bad, but I do feel that they are comparable.

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nobody cared when malkin almost ended willie mitchell's career. no one will care now.
This. He's a superstar playing for the league's favorite team, nothing is going to be done to him ever.

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This. He's a superstar playing for the league's favorite team, nothing is going to be done to him ever.
You have no idea how much we Pens' fans wished all these Pen bias conspiracies were true. It really would be nice if the real world were as far too many paint it here at HF. We would have won every cup since 2005 if it had been so.

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The two aren't remotely comparable. Keep reaching though, it's hilarious to see which argument you try to make next.
Swung stick hits head. Del Zotto even used two hands. This ain't hard.

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If it happens "regularly", mind pulling up a few more examples? Thanks bud.
People don't make a point of posting Youtube clips of non-suspendable clips to the head. The more egregious Del Zotto smack was only included because Kopecky decided to punch afterwards.

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Honestly, to me it almost looks more like Malkin attempts a failed punch at him in a spazzy rage and the stick just happens to whip around.

And you can't exactly claim the slash that Malkin takes just prior to that isn't, 'using a stick as a weapon'.

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staals looks like maybe accident. malkins is for sure on purpose.









oh its malkin. no suspension

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Agree with Jonathan.
But nothing will happen cause it's Malkin.

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