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02-02-2013, 02:23 AM
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Gillis's pro-scouts are unbelievable. If only our amateur scouts were too.

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Yeah people forget how good Naslund was in his prime. Don't think Jeff Carter has ever been arguably the best player in the league in any season.
08-09 when he had 46 goals he was pretty damn good.

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02-02-2013, 02:32 AM
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I doubted Kassian from day 1, but I'm seriously loving it that he's proving me wrong.

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02-02-2013, 02:38 AM
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top line forward on an entry level contract.


When was the last time that happened to us?

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02-02-2013, 02:38 AM
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top line forward on an entry level contract.


When was the last time that happened?
Burrows?

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02-02-2013, 02:39 AM
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08-09 when he had 46 goals he was pretty damn good.
Yeah I realized that after but still Nazzy > Carter.

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02-02-2013, 02:48 AM
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Burrows?
Nah, he was too old to get one of those, and its expiry status was UFA, not RFA. Can see the similarities, though. Similar cap value, top liner in his last year.

Raymond, I guess,. Edler is a comparable on D - 37 points in his last ELC year.

Kassian still has two seasons left, though.

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02-02-2013, 03:11 AM
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Nah, he was too old to get one of those, and its expiry status was UFA, not RFA. Can see the similarities, though. Similar cap value, top liner in his last year.

Raymond, I guess,. Edler is a comparable on D - 37 points in his last ELC year.

Kassian still has two seasons left, though.
2 including this shortened season.

And while he didn't technically have a entry level deal, he was a 3rd year player on his first contract playing on the first line. If a younger player on a entry level deal brought exactly the same game and production as Burrows he may have more value as an asset(being younger, and RFA status after contract) but in terms of impact they are both the same, as you said first line production for similiar cap value.

Regardless having Burrows play 3rd man to the Sedins allowed them the luxury of stacking the second line with Demitra, Sundin, and Kesler. And even though he hasn't been entry level for over 3 years now, by being a top line player for 2 mill he has allowed them to field teams with depth that they should have had to get rid much before the cap crunch. Anyone of Raymond, Malhotra, or Ballard would not have fit under the cap depending on how much another top 6 option would have cost if Burrows didn't work with the Sedins, or if the timing of Burrows second contract signing and his acension to stardom didn't line up so perfectly for Gillis and the canucks.

Hopefully Kassian keeps that cap advantage going for them in these 2 seasons. I think next year is where it will really show because the developement slope at this age is usually greater than any other point of a players career (if anything this should be his sophmore slump year but he's flying) and having a full year with Sedins in his back pocket will result in more and more tap in goals. Also if Gillis knows going into the offseason that Kassian is a top 6 option, it frees up assets and cap space for other areas on the team.


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02-02-2013, 03:27 AM
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It crazy that Kassasin is playing better than most of the regular considering he was in the AHL........plus he is still on ELC next year which helps a lot

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02-02-2013, 04:00 AM
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Rangers are big fans of kassian.
The 1st quote is hilarious.

I'm just so happy we have this guy, kid has his head on straight and is very smart, not to mention he skates very well for his size, is physically dominating and has great offensive skill.

These players don't come around often, and boy did we luck out getting one for ourselves. If we continue to develop him properly like we seem to have thus-far, he will become a very very good player for us.

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02-02-2013, 04:02 AM
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The thing that gives me more confidence in Kassian is that he has probably around 20 really good scoring chances so far this season. It's not like he's had a few lucky bounces or has simply been in the right place at the right time. The guy has generally found himself with a lot of opportunities - he seems to have that hockey know-how that not every guy has. Throw in some intense playoff experience for the guy and he's gonna have one hell of a career. I think he can easily bag 40 points this year...

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02-02-2013, 10:38 AM
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The thing that gives me more confidence in Kassian is that he has probably around 20 really good scoring chances so far this season. It's not like he's had a few lucky bounces or has simply been in the right place at the right time. The guy has generally found himself with a lot of opportunities - he seems to have that hockey know-how that not every guy has. Throw in some intense playoff experience for the guy and he's gonna have one hell of a career. I think he can easily bag 40 points this year...
Completely agree with the bold section. Not only has he had 2-3+ quality scoring chances per game, but he can throw some serious passes. It kind of sucks there is only one of him because I think he could play the point or the half boards just as effectively as he does in front of the net.
Just love how he was down so low in the offensive zone but still managed to wire a perfect one timer pass all the way to Edler at the point.
I still don't expect Kassian to be this consistent this early, but the potential is extremely promising to see.

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02-02-2013, 10:52 AM
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Yeah I realized that after but still Nazzy > Carter.
the way i see it, jeff carter is an insanely talented but lazy p.o.s.

but if that ability is jensen's upside, and he gives a crap, that's 3/4 of naslund's scoring ability, plus size, physicality, and very good defense. also, the ability to play up and down the line up.

naslund was a top three offensive guy in the league at his peak, no doubt. but was one dimensional. our coach hated him (and vice versa) and i don't think the young naslund who broke through on a terrible canucks team under keenan ever gets a chance on ths good team under AV. i mean, keenan only gave him that shot because there was no one else to play-- he'd pegged nazzy as a loser and a bum.

long story short, for this team and its needs, a motivated jeff carter type > naslund.

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02-02-2013, 12:23 PM
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Beautiful set up by Kass last night on that goal. Kid is so smart with the puck. He has 5 goals yes, but he's also a great passer and play maker. I'm honestly having a really hard time finding anything i don't like about his game this year so far. First assist was a great one. So patient with the puck on that goal. Has great hockey sense, always in the right place too in front of the net.

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the way i see it, jeff carter is an insanely talented but lazy p.o.s.

but if that ability is jensen's upside, and he gives a crap, that's 3/4 of naslund's scoring ability, plus size, physicality, and very good defense. also, the ability to play up and down the line up.

naslund was a top three offensive guy in the league at his peak, no doubt. but was one dimensional. our coach hated him (and vice versa) and i don't think the young naslund who broke through on a terrible canucks team under keenan ever gets a chance on ths good team under AV. i mean, keenan only gave him that shot because there was no one else to play-- he'd pegged nazzy as a loser and a bum.

long story short, for this team and its needs, a motivated jeff carter type > naslund.
Ive said this since Carter was drafted. He floats. He spaces out. He rarely uses the body. He wanders around the open ice looking for an easy feed. The Kings got their cup, but they also got a 14 year contract on a guy who is going to make Kings fans wish they were never born within 3 years.

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Ive said this since Carter was drafted. He floats. He spaces out. He rarely uses the body. He wanders around the open ice looking for an easy feed. The Kings got their cup, but they also got a 14 year contract on a guy who is going to make Kings fans wish they were never born within 3 years.
agreed. i hate that guy; carter is a richer man's penner. let's all just be glad that kassian moves his feet, doesn't goal suck, hits, and fights guys. i am so excited to see what his ceiling is in the coming years.

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I'm so happy that Kassian has some damn good hockey sense and playmaking ability. Something that Booth lacks.

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It would a concern if it was a regular hinderance.

Often Kass is the first guy back into the d zone and after playing deep in the other end.

I see next to zero issues with his skating. Unless of course the expectations are hes to compete with raymond for fastest skater.
Kassian has been TOLD to be first one back. H. Sedin doesn't back-check well and the first couple games there were a number of 3's on 2's. But just like Burrows playing the wing on that line, Zack is back checking well.

And I had to bring up the CoHo comparisons but Kassian's passing is almost as good as Cody's, and that's saying something.

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It comes in waves. There was a lot of hand-wringing when he was on the ice for a ton of goals against and didn't score for a few games. Now he has a 3 point game thanks to Vanek and he's the golden boy again.
Gee, sounds like Canucks fans.

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Can I have some validation now.

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Thinking about the rare skillset Kassian has - a huge body, a mean streak, nice shot, good vision - I wonder if he thinks they can develop Kassian into a Backes?



2 questions:
Could Gillis see something that other people don't?
And what does this list of 5 look like? My thinking was classic powerforward types who can play first-line - maybe Backes, Lucic, Iginla, Benn, Kane.
- Oct. 15 2012 by Me! I said that!


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there is no way Kassian belongs in that group.
- Oct. 15 2012 by someone else

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Can I have some validation now.

- Oct. 15 2012 by Me! I said that!



- Oct. 15 2012 by someone else
I still think "there is no way Kassian belongs in that group" is a valid idea that hasn't been even remotely close to proven wrong yet, personally.

Wait until we're at least half way through the season.

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Can I have some validation now.
Not yet.

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I still think "there is no way Kassian belongs in that group" is a valid idea that hasn't been even remotely close to proven wrong yet, personally.

Wait until we're at least half way through the season.
But if we can't make wild, premature inferences, then what is the internet for?

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