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06-27-2012, 02:21 PM
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Oh god, I hope the listing of the D-men doesn't mean Faulk actually got more votes than Gardiner.
Sorry, should have mentioned. Players are listed alphabetical by position. The press release from the league made it a point to say that.

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1977-78 Hart:

1. G. Lafleur 145
2. B. Trottier 99
3. D. Sittler 67
4. D. Edwards 34
5. B. Park 31
6. B. Clarke 27
7. D. Potvin 24
8. T. O`Reilly 19
9. T. Esposito 12
10. C. Gillies 5
10. K. Dryden 5
10. L. Robinson 5

Lafleur takes it again, but Trottier offers a preview of things to come. Sittler has the best year of his career. You don`t hear much about Don Edwards anymore, but the fact that he made the list both this season and the following one shows how highly regarded he was at the time. Terry O`Reilly`s appearance may surprise some, but this was actually a career year for him; top 10 in scoring while continuing his aggressive grinding style- un fortunately he wouldn`t be able to match this season again in his career.
O'Reilly was 1 goal away from being the first ever 30 goal / 200 PIM player.

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O'Reilly was 1 goal away from being the first ever 30 goal / 200 PIM player.
Sure but Tiger Williams had 351 PIM's with a 19-31-50 line.

How would a Goal/PIM rating compare to a SB/HR index in baseball?

Something else for the stat freaks to figure out maybe.

Terry was no doubt the better player but I'm not sure if any player had a better career with less actual skill than Tiger Williams.

Tiger was an entertainer as well in the "clear the track, here comes Eddie Shack mold as well."

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Sure but Tiger Williams had 351 PIM's with a 19-31-50 line.

How would a Goal/PIM rating compare to a SB/HR index in baseball?

Something else for the stat freaks to figure out maybe.

Terry was no doubt the better player but I'm not sure if any player had a better career with less actual skill than Tiger Williams.

Tiger was an entertainer as well in the "clear the track, here comes Eddie Shack mold as well."
Boyo that would've been something for that season.....as it was Williams broke that 30/200 mark two seasons later along with Stan Smyl and Paul Holmgren.

The following season he became the first (and only) 30/300, (making his only All Star appearance too) and the following year Al Secord took it one further and became the only 40/300 player.

As far as Eddie Shack goes, what a wingnut....loved him when he played briefly for the Bruins, (saw him get two separate charging penalties that occurred at both ends of the rink on the same shift).

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Oh god, I hope the listing of the D-men doesn't mean Faulk actually got more votes than Gardiner.
Is it a huge problem if he did? Faulk was very impressive.

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Is it a huge problem if he did? Faulk was very impressive.
Not a HUGE problem, but a problem.

Both are offensively-oriented defensemen, but one relied heavily on the PP for the ever-important attention-grabbing "hockey card stats" and the other didn't. (overall play aside, we both know that the "hockey card stats" - GP, G, A, Pts, +/- - are important to voters - more than they should be.

Gardiner scored 23 points at ES... 6 more than any other rookie D-man. And watching him it wasn't hard to see why. He had an outstanding season from a transtition and possession standpoint. He carried the puck like no Leaf defenseman had regularly in a decade, save Kaberle.

Faulk was likely the best PP defenseman, with 12 points when no one else had more than 7, but that represents only about 10% of the time these two players spent on the ice. Faulk's 10 ESP don't stand out from the pack at all, nor do they indicate strong puckmoving. I can't vouch for his overall play at ES, but I find it hard to believe that he carried the puck like Gardiner, just based off what I saw of Gardiner and the enormous 23-10 ESP gap.

I will say that along with Gardiner, Scandella and Larsson, he was one of just 4 defensemen who deserved consideration at all. Lower GP totals and sub-19 minute TOI averages preclude anyone else from entering the conversation.

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Both are offensively-oriented defensemen...
I can see why the stats would cause a concern if you're going on the assumption that both of these players are offensively-oriented.

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Boyo that would've been something for that season.....as it was Williams broke that 30/200 mark two seasons later along with Stan Smyl and Paul Holmgren.

The following season he became the first (and only) 30/300, (making his only All Star appearance too) and the following year Al Secord took it one further and became the only 40/300 player.

As far as Eddie Shack goes, what a wingnut....loved him when he played briefly for the Bruins, ([B]saw him get two separate charging penalties that occurred at both ends of the rink on the same shift).[/B
That is exactly how I remember him, Shack and Tiger are two of the biggest "character" guys I remember.

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Have recent years been posted here?
Really looking for the past 5 years or so now

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Really looking for the past 5 years or so now
Posts 101-106 have everything official through 2011. Posts 589 and 591 have last year

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Shore Of Boston Picked As Outstanding Star

2 Canadiens Make All-Star NHL Six

Found almost complete voting for the first official NHL All-Star teams in 1930-31. It is missing 7 votes for the alternate team defense, 3 of which belong to Shore, so we need only 4 more. The 7 missing points and the one for McVicar are also not assigned to left or right defense.

There is also no mention of the coaches, so I'm not sure when or how they were voted for.

ALL-STAR TEAMS: 37 voters, 1st and 2nd format
GOALTENDER: FIRST TEAM: Charlie Gardiner, Chi 16; Tiny Thompson, Bos 10; Roy Worters, NYA 9; George Hainsworth, Mtl 1; John Roach, NYR 1
ALTERNATE TEAM: Charlie Gardiner, Chi 13; Tiny Thompson, Bos 9; Roy Worters, NYA 9; George Hainsworth, Mtl 4; Lorne Chabot, Tor 2
DEFENSE: FIRST TEAM: (Right 37, Left 37) Eddie Shore, Bos 34 (Right 27, Left 7); King Clancy, Tor 22 (Right 5, Left 17); Sylvio Mantha, Mtl 8 (Right 2, Left 6); Ching Johnson, NYR 3 (Left 3); Red Dutton, NYA 2 (Right 2); Lionel Hitchman, Bos 2 (Right 1, Left 1); Ted Graham, Chi 2 (Left 2); Hap Day, Tor 1 (Left 1)
ALTERNATE TEAM: (Right 32, Left 34, unknown 4) Sylvio Mantha, Mtl 17 (Right 11, Left 6); Ching Johnson, NYR 13 (Right 5, Left 8); Lionel Hitchman, Bos 8 (Left 8); King Clancy, Tor 8 (Right 7, Left 1); Red Dutton, NYA 8 (Right 5, Left 3); Eddie Shore, Bos 3; George Owen, Bos 3 (Right 2, Left 1); Hap Day, Tor 3 (Right 1, Left 2); Ted Graham, Chi 2 (Left 2); Cy Wentworth, Chi 2 (Left 2); Taffy Abel, Chi 2 (Right 1, Left 1); Jack McVicar, Mtl 1 (4 votes missing)
CENTER: FIRST TEAM: Howie Morenz, Mtl 29; Joe Primeau, Tor 2; Frank Boucher, NYR 2; Ebbie Goodfellow, Det 2; Cooney Weiland, Bos 1; Aurel Joliat, Mtl 1
ALTERNATE TEAM: Frank Boucher, NYR 11; Ebbie Goodfellow, Det 8; Nels Stewart, Mtl M 6; Howie Morenz, Mtl 6; Cooney Weiland, Bos 3; Tom Cook, Chi 2; Joe Lamb, Ott 1
RIGHT WING: FIRST TEAM: Bill Cook, NYR 26; Dit Clapper, Bos 4; Charlie Conacher, Tor 3; Johnny Gottselig, Chi 2; Hooley Smith, Mtl M 1; Frank Finnigan, Ott 1
ALTERNATE TEAM: Dit Clapper, Bos 12; Charlie Conacher, Tor 7; Bill Cook, NYR 5; Ace Bailey, Tor 3; Hooley Smith, Mtl M 3; Howie Morenz, Mtl 1; Ebbie Goodfellow, Det 1; Johnny Gagnon, Mtl 1; Nels Stewart, Mtl M 1; Harry Oliver, Bos 1; John Sorrell, Det 1; Jimmy Ward, Mtl M 1
LEFT WING: FIRST TEAM: Aurel Joliat, Mtl 22; Bun Cook, NYR 4; Nels Stewart, Mtl M 2; Babe Siebert, Mtl M 2; Jimmy Ward, Mtl M 1; Harry Oliver, Bos 1; Johnny Gagnon, Mtl 1; Dutch Gainor, Bos 1; Ebbie Goodfellow, Det 1; Mush March, Chi 1; Busher Jackson, Tor 1
ALTERNATE TEAM: Bun Cook, NYR 12; Johnny Gottselig, Chi 5; Hec Kilrea, Ott 4; Busher Jackson, Tor 4; Aurel Joliat, Mtl 3; Nels Stewart, Mtl M 3; Bill Cook, NYR 2; Dit Clapper, Bos 2; Howie Morenz, Mtl 1; Marty Barry, Bos 1

COACH: Lester Patrick, NYR; Dick Irvin, Chi
Found the 4 missing 2nd team votes on D. 1 more for George Owen and 3 for Reg Noble.

Also added some more names to the Hart and Lady Byng results, but without voting totals.

1930-31
1- M.J. Rodden, Toronto Globe
First Team: Worters, Americans, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; Clancy, Toronto, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Stewart, Maroons, left wing
Second Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; Johnson, Rangers, right defense; Noble, Detroit, left defense; Boucher, Rangers, center; Bailey, Toronto, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
2- E.W. Ferguson, Montreal Herald
First Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; Day, Toronto, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
Second Team: Thompson, Boston, goal; Clancy, Toronto, right defense; S Mantha, Canadiens, left defense; Boucher, Rangers, center; Clapper, Boston, right wing; F. Cook, Rangers, left wing
3- James Gallagher, Chicago Evening American
First Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; Clancy, Toronto, right defense; S Mantha, Canadiens, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Oliver, Boston, left wing
Second Team: Hainsworth, Canadiens, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; Graham, Chicago, left defense; Goodfellow, Detroit, center; H. Smith, Maroons, right wing; Gottselig, Chicago, left wing
4- W.A. Hewitt, Toronto Star
First Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; Clancy, Toronto, right defense; Shore, Boston, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; Conacher, Toronto, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
Second Team: Chabot, Toronto, goal; S Mantha, Canadiens, right defense; Day, Toronto, left defense; Goodfellow, Detroit, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; F. Cook, Rangers, left wing
5- W.J. Morrison, Montreal Gazette
First Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; Clancy, Toronto, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; H. Smith, Maroons, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
Second Team: Hainsworth, Canadiens, goal; S Mantha, Canadiens, right defense; Johnson, Rangers, left defense; Goodfellow, Detroit, center; Clapper, Boston, right wing; F. Cook, Rangers, left wing
6- Ed Baker, Ottawa Citizen
First Team: Worters, Americans, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; Clancy, Toronto, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
Second Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; S Mantha, Canadiens, right defense; Johnson, Rangers, left defense; Boucher, Rangers, center; Clapper, Boston, right wing; Stewart, Maroons, left wing
7- Edwin Allan, Toronto Mail and Empire
First Team: Worters, Americans, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; S Mantha, Canadiens, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; Conacher, Toronto, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
Second Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; Clancy, Toronto, right defense; Hitchman, Boston, left defense; Weiland, Boston, center; Clapper, Boston, right wing; F. Cook, Rangers, left wing
8- Leonard Cohen, New York Evening Post
First Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; Dutton, Americans, right defense; Shore, Boston, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
Second Team: Chabot, Toronto, goal; S Mantha, Canadiens, right defense; Johnson, Rangers, left defense; Goodfellow, Detroit, center; Conacher, Toronto, right wing; Oliver, Boston, left wing
9- A.J. Morganson, Toronto Telegram
First Team: Hainsworth, Canadiens, goal; S Mantha, Canadiens, right defense; Shore, Boston, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; Conacher, Toronto, right wing; F. Cook, Rangers, left wing
Second Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; Clancy, Toronto, right defense; Dutton, Americans, left defense; Stewart, Maroons, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Kilrea, Ottawa, left wing
10- Patrick Robinson, New York Daily News
First Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; Clancy, Toronto, left defense; Joliat, Canadiens, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Siebert, Maroons, left wing
Second Team: Thompson, Boston, goal; Dutton, Americans, right defense; Hitchman, Boston, left defense; Boucher, Rangers, center; Morenz, Canadiens, right wing; Gottselig, Chicago, left wing
11- Burt Whitman, Boston Herald
First Team: Thompson, Boston, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; Clancy, Toronto, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; Clapper, Boston, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
Second Team: Worters, Americans, goal; S Mantha, Canadiens, right defense; Day, Toronto, left defense; Lamb, Ottawa, center; Conacher, Toronto, right wing; Gottselig, Chicago, left wing
12- Albert Laberge, Montreal La Presse
First Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; Clancy, Toronto, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
Second Team: Thompson, Boston, goal; S Mantha, Canadiens, right defense; Hitchman, Boston, left defense; Stewart, Maroons, center; Conacher, Toronto, right wing; F. Cook, Rangers, left wing
13- Robert T. Paul, Philadelphia Daily News
First Team: Thompson, Boston, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; Clancy, Toronto, left defense; Primeau, Toronto, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
Second Team: Worters, Americans, goal; Johnson, Rangers, right defense; Hitchman, Boston, left defense; Boucher, Rangers, center; Goodfellow, Detroit, right wing; Morenz, Canadiens, left wing
14- Joe Vila, New York Sun
First Team: Worters, Americans, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; Johnson, Rangers, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
Second Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; Clancy, Toronto, right defense; S Mantha, Canadiens, left defense; Boucher, Rangers, center; Clapper, Boston, right wing; F. Cook, Rangers, left wing
15- Peter Kelley, Boston Daily Record
First Team: Thompson, Boston, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; Hitchman, Boston, left defense; Weiland, Boston, center; Clapper, Boston, right wing; Gagnon, Canadiens, left wing
Second Team: Worters, Americans, goal; Abel, Chicago, right defense; Johnson, Rangers, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; F. Cook, Rangers, left wing
16- Eddie O’Meara, Ottawa Journal
First Team: Worters, Americans, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; Clancy, Toronto, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
Second Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; Johnson, Rangers, right defense; S Mantha, Canadiens, left defense; Boucher, Rangers, center; Clapper, Boston, right wing; Stewart, Maroons, left wing
17- William Grimes, Boston American
First Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; S Mantha, Canadiens, left defense; Boucher, Rangers, center; Finnigan, Ottawa, right wing; Gainor, Boston, left wing
Second Team: Thompson, Boston, goal; McVicar, Maroons, right defense; Johnson, Rangers, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; Clapper, Boston, right wing; Kilrea, Ottawa, left wing
18- William Farnsworth, New York Evening Journal
First Team: Worters, Americans, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; Johnson, Rangers, left defense; Boucher, Rangers, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; F. Cook, Rangers, left wing
Second Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; Clancy, Toronto, right defense; Dutton, Americans, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; Conacher, Toronto, right wing; Jackson, Toronto, left wing
19- Roland Beaudry, Montreal La Canada
First Team: Worters, Americans, goal; Clancy, Toronto, right defense; Shore, Boston, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
Second Team: Thompson, Boston, goal; S Mantha, Canadiens, right defense; Johnson, Rangers, left defense; Weiland, Boston, center; Clapper, Boston, right wing; F. Cook, Rangers, left wing
20- A. Horwits, Philadelphia Evening Ledger
First Team: Thompson, Boston, goal; Clancy, Toronto, right defense; Shore, Boston, left defense; Primeau, Toronto, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
Second Team: Worters, Americans, goal; Dutton, Americans, right defense; Abel, Chicago, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; Conacher, Toronto. right wing; F. Cook, Rangers, left wing
21- H.E. Narbonne, Montreal Le Devoir
First Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; S Mantha, Canadiens, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
Second Team: Thompson, Boston, goal; Johnson, Rangers, right defense; Clancy, Toronto, left defense; Stewart, Maroons, center; Bailey, Toronto, right wing; F. Cook, Rangers, left wing
22- F.J. Carveth, Detroit Free Press
First Team: Thompson, Boston, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; S Mantha, Canadiens, left defense; Goodfellow, Detroit, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; F. Cook, Rangers, left wing
Second Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; Johnson, Rangers, right defense; Hitchman, Boston, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; Conacher, Toronto, right wing; Jackson, Toronto, left wing
23- Dee Sparr, Chicago Daily Times
First Team: Thompson, Boston, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; Graham, Chicago, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; Gottselig; Chicago, right wing; Goodfellow, Detroit, left wing
Second Team: Worters, Americans, goal; Clancy, Toronto, right defense; Wentworth, Chicago, left defense; T. Cook, Chicago, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Stewart, Maroons, left wing
24- Horace Lavigne, Montreal La Patrie
First Team: Thompson, Boston, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; Clancy, Toronto, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
Second Team: Worters, Americans, goal; S Mantha, Canadiens, right defense; Hitchman, Boston, left defense; Boucher, Rangers, center; Gagnon, Canadiens, right wing; Gottselig, Chicago, left wing
25- Howard G. Rayner, Boston Post
First Team: Thompson, Boston, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; Clancy, Toronto, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
Second Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; Owen, Boston, right defense; S Mantha, Canadiens, left defense; Goodfellow, Detroit, center; H. Smith, Maroons, right wing; Barry, Boston, left wing
26- Gil. O. Julien, Ottawa Le Droit
First Team: Thompson, Boston, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; S Mantha, Canadiens, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
Second Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; Clancy, Toronto, right defense; Johnson, Rangers, left defense; Boucher, Rangers, center; Clapper, Boston, right wing; F. Cook, Rangers, left wing
27- Joe Williams, New York Telegram
First Team: Worters, Americans, goal; Hitchman, Boston, right defense; Johnson, Rangers, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; March, Chicago, left wing
Second Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; Dutton, Americans, right defense; Shore, Boston, left defense; Stewart, Maroons, center; Conacher, Toronto, right wing; F. Cook, Rangers, left wing
28- Wade R. Franklin, Chicago Daily Press
First Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; S Mantha, Canadiens, right defense; Clancy, Toronto, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Siebert, Maroons, left wing
Second Team: Worters, Americans, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; Graham, Chicago, left defense; Stewart, Maroons, center; Bailey, Toronto, right wing; Gottselig, Chicago, left wing
29- A.W. Daley, New York World
First Team: Worters, Americans, goal; Dutton, Americans, right defense; Shore, Boston, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Jackson, Toronto, left wing
Second Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; S Mantha, Canadiens, right defense; Day, Toronto, left defense; Goodfellow, Detroit, center; Oliver, Boston, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
30- Ray Bousloy, Detroit Daily News
First Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; Clancy, Toronto, left defense; Goodfellow, Detroit, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
Second Team: Thompson, Boston, goal; Noble, Detroit, right defense; Hitchman, Boston, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; H. Smith, Maroons, right wing; Clapper, Boston, left wing
31- Joseph C. Nichols, New York Times
First Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; Clancy, Toronto, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
Second Team: Worters, Americans, goal; Dutton, Americans, right defense; Owen, Boston, left defense; Boucher, Rangers, center; Sorrell, Detroit, right wing; Stewart, Maroons, left wing
32- Lloyd Northard, Detroit News
First Team: Thompson, Boston, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; Clancy, Toronto, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; Clapper, Boston, right wing; Stewart, Maroons, left wing
Second Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; S Mantha, Canadiens, right defense; Wentworth, Chicago, left defense; Goodfellow, Detroit, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Jackson, Toronto, left wing
33- George M.R. Holmes, Boston Christian Science Monitor
First Team: Roach, Rangers, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; Clancy, Toronto, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; Clapper, Boston, right wing; F. Cook, Rangers, left wing
Second Team: Thompson, Boston, goal; Owen, Boston, right defense; Hitchman, Boston, left defense; Goodfellow, Detroit, center; Ward, Maroons, right wing; Kilrea, Ottawa, left wing
34- James Hurley, New York Daily Mirror
First Team: Thompson, Boston, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; Clancy, Toronto, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
Second Team: Hainsworth, Canadiens, goal; Dutton, Americans, right defense; Johnson, Rangers, left defense; Boucher, Rangers, center; Clapper, Boston, right wing; Kilrea, Ottawa, left wing
35- J.P. Carmichael, Chicago Herald and Examiner
First Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; Graham, Chicago, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; Gottselig, Chicago, right wing; Ward, Maroons, left wing
Second Team: Thompson, Boston, goal; Owen, Boston, right defense; S Mantha, Canadiens, left defense; T. Cook, Chicago, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
36- J.C. Zinck, Chicago Evening Post
First Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; Clancy, Toronto, right defense; Shore, Boston, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
Second Team: Worters, Americans, goal; S Mantha, Canadiens, right defense; Noble, Detroit, left defense; Stewart, Maroons, center; Clapper, Boston, right wing; F. Cook, Rangers, left wing
37- Floyd Taylor, New York Herald Tribune
First Team: Gardiner, Chicago, goal; Shore, Boston, right defense; Clancy, Toronto, left defense; Morenz, Canadiens, center; W. Cook; Rangers, right wing; Joliat, Canadiens, left wing
Second Team: Hainsworth, Canadiens, goal; S Mantha, Canadiens, right defense; Dutton, Americans, left defense; Weiland, Boston, center; Clapper, Boston, right wing; Jackson, Toronto, left wing

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Below is the Defenseman AS voting from the 1959-60 season...


DEFENSE: (543/648, 273-270) Doug Harvey, Mtl 154 (88-66); Marcel Pronovost, Det 98 (44-54); Allan Stanley, Tor 94 (35-59); Pierre Pilote, Chi 75 (19-56); Tom Johnson, Mtl 74 (39-35); Bob Armstrong, Bos (28-); Bill Gadsby, NYR (20-)


Is the bolded indicative of 1st and 2nd place votes or of Half Season and End of Season voting totals?

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1st half and 2nd half voting. The Gadsby (20-) indicates that Gadsby received 20 1st half votes, but his 2nd half and overall vote totals are unknown.

Voting was done in the normal 1st-2nd-3rd voting method, but due to weighted voting actual votes were not released. The points work for 18 voters, or 3 voters per city, at 5 points each for 1st. The actual voters in a single city could be in the 20+ range, so a single 1st place vote in that city could be worth less than half a point.

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1st half and 2nd half voting. The Gadsby (20-) indicates that Gadsby received 20 1st half votes, but his 2nd half and overall vote totals are unknown.

Voting was done in the normal 1st-2nd-3rd voting method, but due to weighted voting actual votes were not released. The points work for 18 voters, or 3 voters per city, at 5 points each for 1st. The actual voters in a single city could be in the 20+ range, so a single 1st place vote in that city could be worth less than half a point.
Thanks. You're the MVP of the history board.

And to clarify (though it shouldn't be surprising), Montreal is the city that would have 20+ voters, while Chicago would only have a few.

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To Clarify.

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Thanks. You're the MVP of the history board.

And to clarify (though it shouldn't be surprising), Montreal is the city that would have 20+ voters, while Chicago would only have a few.

To clarify, voting during this era allowed for three votes for each of the six NHL cities.

Not sure if there was an actual writers or media association but each cities accredited media would vote locally, then the local voting would be proportioned down to three votes which would be reflected in the final voting.

Effectively it was harder to get a unanimous consensus from the large media centers than it was from the small media centers.

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Has Conn Smythe voting been posted yet? I'm curious about runners-up and such for a few years.

My apologies for cluttering up the thread with this, but it IS quite lengthy to try and look through now.

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Conn Smythe

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Has Conn Smythe voting been posted yet? I'm curious about runners-up and such for a few years.

My apologies for cluttering up the thread with this, but it IS quite lengthy to try and look through now.
Only the winner is announced.

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Only the winner is announced.
Really? I thought I saw some voting in 2006... Must have just been speculation that I've since remembered as voting results.

Wow, I would love to see that, though. Would be really interesting.

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Barrasso was said to be 2nd in 1992 to Lemieux I think, but no, I've never seen any official numbers ever and I'm not sure if it even exists as I've questioned the NHL about it some time ago.

Honestly, I wouldn't want to see the ones from the last 10 or 15 years, as it might make me doubt the media even more. Results from around the award's creation would be interesting though.

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Ramsay was said to be 2nd to Parent in 1975 IIRC. but yeah, tidbits like this are extremely rare.

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A couple of polls done with the all-star balloting from 1934 and 1935.

Morenz Tops Speed List - Saskatoon Star-Phoenix, Mar 13, 1934

Howie Morenz Catches Sports Writers' Eye As Speediest Skater - Calgary Daily Herald, Mar 27, 1935

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A couple of polls done with the all-star balloting from 1934 and 1935.
Great finds!

Poll of sports editors from NHL cities, in connection with the writers' All Star ballots.
The maximum possible number of votes per question appears to have varied between 33 and 35 for some unexplained reason.

Fastest Skater
Howie Morenz (MTL) - 10
Harvey "Busher" Jackson (TOR) - 5
Hec Kilrea (TOR) - 4
Mush March (CHI) - 4
Jimmy Ward (MAR) - 3
Herbie Lewis (DET) - 2
Buzz Boll (TOR) - 1
Cecil Dillon (NYR) - 1
George Mantha (MTL) - 1
Jerry Shannon (OTT) - 1
Johnny Sorrell (DET) - 1

Best Forward Line
Charlie Conacher - Harvey "Busher" Jackson - Joe Primeau (TOR) - 28
Bun Cook - Frank Boucher - Bill Cook (NYR) - 7

Hardest Shot
Charlie Conacher (TOR) - 32
Lionel Conacher (CHI) - 1
Jimmy Ward (MAR) - 1

Best Stickhandler
Aurel Joliat (MTL) - 17
Johnny Gotsellig (CHI) - 5
Frank Boucher (NYR) - 4
Larry Aurie (DET) - 2
Joe Primeau (TOR) - 2
Ace Bailey (TOR) - 1
Bun Cook (NYR) - 1
Harvey "Busher" Jackson (TOR) - 1
Nels Stewart (BOS) - 1

Biggest Box Office Attraction
Eddie Shore (BOS) - 24
Toronto Maple Leafs - 6
New York Rangers - 1
Aurel Joliat (MTL) - 1
Howie Morenz (MTL) - 1

Same poll, the following season. This time there were apparently 23 ballots, but again the released results are inconsistent with that number. Perhaps there were too many single-vote players to fit in the allotted column space?

Fastest Skater
Howie Morenz (CHI) - 6
Buzz Boll (TOR) - 5
Hec Kilrea (OTT) - 3
George Mantha (MTL) - 2
Mush March (CHI) - 2

Best Forward Line
Charlie Conacher - Harvey "Busher" Jackson - Joe Primeau (TOR) - 17
Bun Cook - Frank Boucher - Bill Cook (NYR) - 3
Herbie Lewis - Cooney Weiland - Larry Aurie (DET) - 3

Best Comeback
Alex Connell (MAR) - 8
Bill Cook - 3
Eddie Shore (BOS) - 3
Babe Siebert (BOS) - 3
John Ross Roach (DET) - ?

Best Stickhandler
Aurel Joliat (MTL)

Unluckiest Player
Ching Johnson (NYR)

The article cuts short of providing any further detail on the final 2 categories. I checked the same day's editions of the Montreal Gazetta and Ottawa Citizen, but didn't find anything there.


Based on passing references in these articles, we can reconstruct some of the winners of the 1933 poll.

Best Forward Line
Charlie Conacher - Harvey "Busher" Jackson - Joe Primeau (TOR)

Fastest Skater
Howie Morenz (MTL) *implied

Biggest Box Office Attraction
Eddie Shore (BOS) *implied

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A couple of polls done with the all-star balloting from 1934 and 1935.
Very nice!

Though I think it belongs in the "Player Intangibles - ressource" thread.

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Based on passing references in these articles, we can reconstruct some of the winners of the 1933 poll.

Best Forward Line
Charlie Conacher - Harvey "Busher" Jackson - Joe Primeau (TOR)
No, it says the Cook line won.

Indeed, here is the 1933 results for best line.

Ranger Line Chosen Best League Trio - Calgary Daily Herald, Mar 11, 1933

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Can someone explain to me why Datsyuk didn't get a 2nd Team All-Star in 2007-2008? He outscored Thornton (albeit by one point) and the same voters overwhelmingly voted him for the Selke. Why did 23 voters think Thornton was the best center in the league that year?

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Pts. (1st-2nd-3rd)
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1. EVGENI MALKIN, PIT 555 (93-26-12)
2. Joe Thornton, SJ 282 (23-38-53)
3. Pavel Datsyuk, DET 267 (11-57-41)
4. Vincent Lecavalier, T.B. 55 (4-7-14)
5. Sidney Crosby, PIT 35 (3-5-5)
6. Henrik Zetterberg, DET 4 (0-1-1)
7. Ryan Getzlaf, ANA 3 (0-0-3)
8. Scott Gomez, NYR 1 (0-0-1)
Marc Savard, BOS 1 (0-0-1)
Jason Spezza, OTT 1 (0-0-1)
Eric Staal, CAR 1 (0-0-1)
Jonathan Toews, CHI 1 (0-0-1)
Selke voting results are on page 8 of this thread.

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