For the Islanders he definitely was, considering his contract. Or do you believe that ~290 points is acceptable return for a $90 million contract?
It would have been a bad trade if Yashin made $3 million a year. With the salary he commanded in reality, it was a horrendous trade.
For the Islanders he scored at a .83 ppg rate, Yashin had a better ppg average when he was playing for the Islanders than Joe Thornton, Henrik Sedin, Vincent Lecavalier, Pavel Datsyuk have in their careers and I could obviously keep going for a long time.
Yashin was overpaid, lazy, and didn't seem to care about much except for himself, but he still scored better than most NHL players. Even his last year with the Islanders he was almost a point per game player, his scoring isn't why he was bought out.
I think the Kessel trade was worst. The islanders trade looks bad with how things turned out, but at the time of both the Kessel trade is definitely worst.
Leafs trade 2010 1st (turned out to be 2nd overall, used to take Tyler Seguin), 2011 1st (turned out to be 9th overall, used to take Dougie Hamilton), and 2010 2nd ( turned out to be 32nd overall, used to take Jared Knight) for Phil Kessel
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Islanders trade the 2nd overall pick in the 2001 Draft (used to take Jason Spezza), 24 year old Zdeno Chara who was unimpressive in his first 231 career NHL games, and Bill Muckalt (4th liner, played one season with Ottawa registering 0 G 8 A in 70 GP).
Seems pretty lopsided against the Yashin trade but at least the Islanders made the Playoffs for three straight seasons after acquiring Yashin.
Don't see that there's any sort of case for picking the Kessel trade. The Yashin trade was worse. Is Kessel going to be a better players for the Leafs than Yashin was for the Isles? Well, you don't see much love for Yashin from Isles fans, to put it gently. Is Seguin and Hamilton going to be as good as Spezza and Chara? I think it'd be a stretch to see that as likely. Plus, the Isles traded 2nd overall and Chara,while the Leafs traded two as yet undecided 1RPs. Seguin and Hamilton is a better return on that than anyone could reasonably expect from those assets.
Plus, the Isles traded 2nd overall and Chara,while the Leafs traded two as yet undecided 1RPs. Seguin and Hamilton is a better return on that than anyone could reasonably expect from those assets.
Excellent point, Burke didn't expect the Leafs to fall that badly that season. Isles KNEW they were giving up Spezza for Yashin.
For the Islanders he scored at a .83 ppg rate, Yashin had a better ppg average when he was playing for the Islanders than Joe Thornton, Henrik Sedin, Vincent Lecavalier, Pavel Datsyuk have in their careers and I could obviously keep going for a long time.
Yashin was overpaid, lazy, and didn't seem to care about much except for himself, but he still scored better than most NHL players. Even his last year with the Islanders he was almost a point per game player, his scoring isn't why he was bought out.
In Yashin's time as an Islander he was 53rd in the league in points, 40th in points per game. In his best season he was 15th in the league in points.
In Kessel's time so far as a Leaf he is 25th in the league in points, 31st in points per game. In his best season he was 6th in the league in points.
Kessel as a Leaf is pretty easily better than Yashin as an Islander, and he's only just entering his prime.
Also your point about Datsyuk and Thornton is just a blatant lie.
Yashin and the Islanders made the playoffs. Kessel hasnt brought the Leafs anything so far. Plus the two guys the Bruins got are as good as it gets prospect wise.
I wouldnt be surpised if Seguin was near the leaders in points next year. I dont see the Leafs as anything but draft lottery fodder.
Completely disagree on the first one. You must be too young and only know Yashin from Post-Lockout but he was a heck of player in his day. The Islanders really improved quickly when they acquired him and a bunch of others (got Michael Peca for Taylor Pyatt and Tim Connolly most notable). A team that hadn't made the Playoffs in 8 years started 11-1-1-1 and ended up as the fourth seed. So in that sense the trade was a success since that's exactly what Milbury was trying to do. Of course it had brutal longterm consequences.
I could see Seguin topping out as a Spezza-type player. Seguin's really good. Spezza's a heck of a player so that's a lot to live up to but Seguin's potential is sky high.
Hamilton probably won't end up as good as Chara. When Chara was traded he was 24 and was a complete pylon with no offensive ability. He couldn't move at all. He had potential due to being big but he was looking like a wash out at that point in his career. His skating improved tremendously when he went to Ottawa. Hamilton at 19 looks really good. All but impossible to predict what he's going to look like when he's 35 but I wouldn't put it past him being a perennial All Star Defenseman if he works hard and grows his game.
The Islanders trade made more sense at the time than the Leafs trade. Sure, in hindsight, getting Yashin against what would become Spezza and Chara is pretty terrible. But GM's don't have hindsight. And at the time, it was a much more logical move than what Toronto did. Or I should say "less illogical", since both trades were pretty stupid.
Completely disagree on the first one. You must be too young and only know Yashin from Post-Lockout but he was a heck of player in his day. The Islanders really improved quickly when they acquired him and a bunch of others (got Michael Peca for Taylor Pyatt and Tim Connolly most notable). A team that hadn't made the Playoffs in 8 years started 11-1-1-1 and ended up as the fourth seed. So in that sense the trade was a success since that's exactly what Milbury was trying to do. Of course it had brutal longterm consequences.
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In Yashin's time as an Islander he was 53rd in the league in points, 40th in points per game. In his best season he was 15th in the league in points.
In Kessel's time so far as a Leaf he is 25th in the league in points, 31st in points per game. In his best season he was 6th in the league in points.
Kessel as a Leaf is pretty easily better than Yashin as an Islander, and he's only just entering his prime.
Also your point about Datsyuk and Thornton is just a blatant lie.
Naw I'm pretty comfortable saying Kessel as a Leaf > Yashin as an Islander.
When Kessel signs elsewhere in a little over a year and the Leafs havent even made the playoffs to show for it, meanwhile the Bruins have won the Cup and have a potential franchise winger and defenseman along with many playoff berths to boot, which trade will seem worse?
Like someone said before, at least the Islanders got to the playoffs out of it. When Kessel walks, the Leafs have nothing to show for it, except slightly worse draft picks since they finished a little higher than they would have without Kessel.
The Kessel trade is so ridiculously overrated in how bad it was for the Leafs. He's scored 30+ goals every year with the Leafs, scored 82 points in 82 games and he's only 25.
sure Hamilton and Seguin combined will probably be better than just Kessel, but not by that much. people just love to bring it up because HAHA the leafs suck lol.
