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Colorado Shopping A Defenceman for a Forward

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02-02-2013, 03:57 PM
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Now I really don't foresee this happening since it's inter division but what if Minnesota offered up Setogouchi who do you think Colorado would offer in return.
Hunwick and an Icee. Not a huge Setoguchi fan at 3M per.

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if the rumor is true (no rumor regarding the avs is ever true, but that's beside the point, Ryan Wilson getting injured may have changed that

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Wilson for Matt Cullen+3rd

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You guys want Richardson back?

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Tyler Kennedy for a 2nd Round Pick

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What about
Stempniak + Butler for Wilson + pick?

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02-02-2013, 05:14 PM
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Avs aren't trading picks and Wilson just got injured.

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02-02-2013, 05:29 PM
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Wilson needs to stay even before he got hurt. In Colorado he has been top 3 and playing well. Should be bottom 3 but in Colorado, its hard to win a spot in the bottom 3.

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02-02-2013, 05:38 PM
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Canes-Avs Proposal (if O'Reilly can't be signed):

To Avs:

D Jamie McBain
LW Jussi Jokinen
C Jeremy Welsh (Prospect)
2nd Round Pick 2013

To Carolina:

D Ryan Wilson
C Ryan O'Reilly

If O'Reilly is Signed:

To Avs:

RW Chad LaRose
4th Round Pick 2013

To Canes:

D Shane O'Brien

Both are asset-for-asset trades that suit team needs. The first is top-4 D, winger, and forward prospect help for top 4 D and 3rd line center help. The 2nd proposal is bottom-6 forward for bottom-4 D help.


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02-02-2013, 05:42 PM
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Canes-Avs Proposal (if O'Reilly can't be signed):

To Avs:

D Jamie McBain
LW Jussi Jokinen
C Jeremy Welsh (Prospect)
2nd Round Pick 2013

To Carolina:

D Ryan Wilson
C Ryan O'Reilly

If O'Reilly is Signed:

To Avs:

RW Chad LaRose
4th Round Pick 2013

To Canes:

D Shane O'Brien
We could do better than that.

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02-02-2013, 05:45 PM
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Make a trade for Leblanc, Tedenby or Loktionov! Do it! Any of these guys could fit into Colorado's already young team, and all of them could use a change of scenery. Tedenby is tiny, and while Leblanc is 6'1" he has a small 186lb frame. Even Loktionov isn't huge. All of them could benefit from playing on a fairly large Avalanche roster also.
Low risk, high reward. Could be some great steals for the team, at the right price.

Frankly, I'm not sure why they haven't been more active on the waiver wire either - they could have had Boychuk...

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We could do better than that.
That's really not terrible though.
Gives you players to play now, and players to play in the future.
And I can see McBain being well like in Colorado.

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Make a trade for Leblanc, Tedenby or Loktionov! Do it! Any of these guys could fit into Colorado's already young team, and all of them could use a change of scenery. Tedenby is tiny, and while Leblanc is 6'1" he has a small 186lb frame. Even Loktionov isn't huge. All of them could benefit from playing on a fairly large Avalanche roster also.
Low risk, high reward. Could be some great steals for the team, at the right price.

Frankly, I'm not sure why they haven't been more active on the waiver wire either - they could have had Boychuk...
This is the type of trade I think the Avs will be looking for. An under-performing younger forward for one of the Avs defensive defenders. It won't be a big trade.

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Make a trade for Leblanc, Tedenby or Loktionov! Do it! Any of these guys could fit into Colorado's already young team, and all of them could use a change of scenery. Tedenby is tiny, and while Leblanc is 6'1" he has a small 186lb frame. Even Loktionov isn't huge. All of them could benefit from playing on a fairly large Avalanche roster also.
Low risk, high reward. Could be some great steals for the team, at the right price.

Frankly, I'm not sure why they haven't been more active on the waiver wire either - they could have had Boychuk...
Habs won't trade Leblanc.

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That's really not terrible though.
Gives you players to play now, and players to play in the future.
And I can see McBain being well like in Colorado.
I didn't say it's terrible, but Radar is worth more.

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That's really not terrible though.
Gives you players to play now, and players to play in the future.
And I can see McBain being well like in Colorado.
It really is a bad proposal for Colorado. Jokinen is 30 and has one season left before UFA status. Welsh is an undrafted, nearly 25 year old prospect that may not even stick in the NHL. He has not been able to stick in the NHL to this point in his career for more than a handful of games.

Ryan Wilson is really underrated and I don't believe his value is far off of McBain.

If the Avs made that trade, their entire management should be fired. It is an awful proposal.

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What would the Devils want for Tedenby?

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If the Avs are going to trade a defenseman, it probably wouldn't be Wilson. He's still a bit of a project for us (he hits so damn hard, so fun to watch and he's really improved lately) not to mention he got hurt this afternoon. Didn't look too serious but it was enough to keep him out of the 3rd period

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02-02-2013, 06:11 PM
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It really is a bad proposal for Colorado. Jokinen is 30 and has one season left before UFA status. Welsh is an undrafted, nearly 25 year old prospect that may not even stick in the NHL. He has not been able to stick in the NHL to this point in his career for more than a handful of games.
Canes are very high on Welsh, however, and signed him to quite a large bonus for an undrafted player. They project him as a third line center, and I only included him because I feel like they need the third line help now rather than later. Welsh and a 2nd round pick, IMO, is worth a late first round pick, and I feel like 2 seasons of Jokinen and a 1st for an unsigned O'Reilly is accurate value.

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good starting point?
Done & Done!

No take backs!

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Habs won't trade Leblanc.



I didn't say it's terrible, but Radar is worth more.
Alas, I don't think Mtl would either, but they should. He's getting ***** treatment down in Hamilton. If he stays in that situation much longer he has no chance of ever becoming anything. Kid needs a change bad.
But I do like the idea of Tedenby on Colorado the best.

And, sorry, didn't mean to say you thought it was terrible. Just meant, in my eyes, it wasn't terrible.

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It really is a bad proposal for Colorado. Jokinen is 30 and has one season left before UFA status. Welsh is an undrafted, nearly 25 year old prospect that may not even stick in the NHL. He has not been able to stick in the NHL to this point in his career for more than a handful of games.

Ryan Wilson is really underrated and I don't believe his value is far off of McBain.
The concern about Jokinen I can understand. If I was Colorado, I'd make Carolina give me time to talk to Jokinen about re-signing before pulling the trade.

As for your statement about Welsh... eesh... Of course he hasn't been able to stick! He was literally JUST signed at the end of last year. He's played college up until this point, meaning he couldn't get a couple of NHL games in even if he wanted to.

I probably do underrate Wilson just because I rarely get to see Colorado. But my statement about McBain sticks, and still feel, even if only slightly, McBain is better.

The point of this exact trade would be for immediate help. McBain and Jokinen give that. Welsh is an older prospect who may bust, and the 2nd round pick may not turn into anything, but they DO give a possible future to help compliment the immediate help, and to soothe the pain of losing the young Radar.

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Not sure why Islanders would do this. Not sure Colorado would EVER turn this down.

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Macarthur for Tyson Barrie and a 3rd

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Sure, I can't think of a reason that would make me decline this offer.

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The point of this exact trade would be for immediate help. McBain and Jokinen give that. Welsh is an older prospect who may bust, and the 2nd round pick may not turn into anything, but they DO give a possible future to help compliment the immediate help, and to soothe the pain of losing the young Radar.
Also, I think some Avs fans don't understand how a player's value declines the more uncertain the contract status is, because of the huge risk you send over to the other team. Take this example: If O'Reilly was on even a one or two year deal, Canes would be willing to send more compensation to the Avs, say Ruutu and a mid-1st instead of Jokinen and a late-1st. If I was an Avs GM, I personally would sign O'Reilly to as fair a contract as the team would get, and not trade him. Selling low is generally NEVER a good idea unless it's your only option.

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Also, I think some Avs fans don't understand how a player's value declines the more uncertain the contract status is, because of the huge risk you send over to the other team. Take this example: If O'Reilly was on even a one or two year deal, Canes would be willing to send more compensation to the Avs, say Ruutu and a mid-1st instead of Jokinen and a late-1st. If I was an Avs GM, I personally would sign O'Reilly to as fair a contract as the team would get, and not trade him. Selling low is generally NEVER a good idea unless it's your only option.
Yeah us Avs fans would never be able to understand this....

Wait.... isn't this about us shipping out a defenseman for winger help? How did this become an O'Reilly thread? Cmonnnnnnnnn

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Yeah us Avs fans would never be able to understand this....

Wait.... isn't this about us shipping out a defenseman for winger help? How did this become an O'Reilly thread? Cmonnnnnnnnn
LMAO! Well, I gave two proposals based on certain scenarios. If O'Reilly didn't sign, I think the Canes could try to kill two birds with one stone by upgrading D and C spots. If he does resign, I would try to swap bottom 6 help for bottom 4 D help.

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