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02-03-2013, 09:40 AM
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I loved what Komarov did last night. Even after Chara went after him, he laid two hits on him. Chara looked so angry, it's as if someone violated his space

At least some positives in that game.

He pissed off Macquaid (sp?) when he kept hitting him and then hit Boychuk too.

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02-03-2013, 09:42 AM
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Clean hit?

Are you so biased toward the team you root for you can't tell the difference between obvious interference and a clean hit?

Here's a good tool to help you sort it out: does the player who got hit have the puck? If he doesn't, you probably shouldn't be trumpeting it as "a clean hit."
It was a like many other hits when players are going for the puck along the boards.

I think it was a borderline penalty, but if you watch any NHL games you'll see these situations all the time. The only difference is not every player who gets hit goes down.

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I loved what Komarov did last night. Even after Chara went after him, he laid two hits on him. Chara looked so angry, it's as if someone violated his space

At least some positives in that game.

He pissed off Macquaid (sp?) when he kept hitting him and then hit Boychuk too.
He is one of the more important players to this team going forth. He is already a core player as he is one of the best at what he does in the league already.

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BTW, even Carlyle called out Rask on his theatrics last night.

I didn't know diving was also a part of Bruins hockey.

This game might have been a lot different had that goal counted. Even if it didn't, that ***** wouldn't have gotten a shut out at least, 2-1 was the actual score.

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02-03-2013, 09:45 AM
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Funny that this line is arguably our best. Any stats to show time of possession and number if chances per line? Think you'd find that your analysis is quite off.
I'll admit that I was wrong and that I shouldn't have put down the whole line. They have been a decent unit. That said I maintain my stance on hits and the actual value they bring to a team.

Some reading on the hit stat: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=373131.

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Are you saying you are using a larger sample size?
I was solely referring to the value of corsi through 7 games.

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02-03-2013, 10:01 AM
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Nice to see him keep on hitting and hitting hard...that's Komarov! Hopefully he can get some success also in points department.

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02-03-2013, 10:04 AM
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I'll admit that I was wrong and that I shouldn't have put down the whole line. They have been a decent unit. That said I maintain my stance on hits and the actual value they bring to a team.

Some reading on the hit stat: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=373131.



I was solely referring to the value of corsi through 7 games.
so you see little to no value in physical play? Ask the bruins how big a factor hitting was when they won the cup. Or how big brown's physical edge was for LA etc

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02-03-2013, 10:07 AM
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so you see little to no value in physical play? Ask the bruins how big a factor hitting was when they won the cup. Or how big brown's physical edge was for LA etc
Really? Is that what you think I said? Come on. Physical play is great but puck possession wins hockey games. Having a high number of hits is usually indicative of poor puck possession.

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02-03-2013, 10:11 AM
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Really? Is that what you think I said? Come on. Physical play is great but puck possession wins hockey games.
Is there a stat on puck possession? Without it arguing that Komarov's hits are actually a bad thing is a little futile

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02-03-2013, 10:17 AM
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Really? Is that what you think I said? Come on. Physical play is great but puck possession wins hockey games.
that is EXACTLY what you said. You said hitting was a negative stat, hitting is A HUGE part of physical play therefore if you believe hitting is A negative stat, then you believe physical play is negative.

as for puck poossession there are 2 ways to do that faceoffs or bowling a guy over and taking the puck

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02-03-2013, 10:18 AM
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Is there a stat on puck possession? Without it arguing that Komarov's hits are actually a bad thing is a little futile
At this point in the year all stats are somewhat dubious due to the sample size we're looking at. All I'm advising is that we should take a critical look at certain counting stats like hits, giveaways etc. and who get the most opportunities for them rather than swooning over a guy with questionable NHL skill.

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02-03-2013, 10:20 AM
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that is EXACTLY what you said. You said hitting was a negative stat, hitting is A HUGE part of physical play therefore if you believe hitting is A negative stat, then you believe physical play is negative.

as for puck poossession there are 2 ways to do that faceoffs or bowling a guy over and taking the puck
If that's really what you think puck possession and physicality amount to then there's no point continuing this discussion. Sorry I don't share the same viewpoint.

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02-03-2013, 10:24 AM
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Leading the league in hits is a negative stat IMO. It means when he is on the ice the other team most likely has possession of the puck. In order to rack up hit numbers your line needs to be bad. It's similar to how Crosby always has a high turnover rate. When you have the puck all the time you tend to give it away more than others.

I see Komarov as a grittier Rickard Wallin. I expect him to be one and done and back to Europe next year unless he can really step up his play.
Fail

Komarov is becoming a pest; guys other teams hate to play against. As evidenced by drawing a penalty from Chara, he is getting opposing players off their game, trying to retaliate instead of playing the game the way they normally do.

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At this point in the year all stats are somewhat dubious due to the sample size we're looking at. All I'm advising is that we should take a critical look at certain counting stats like hits, giveaways etc. and who get the most opportunities for them rather than swooning over a guy with questionable NHL skill.
Isn't this the same sample size you are using? So either it applies to everything or nothing.

Since we wouldn't have much to talk about for a few weeks if we wanted to discuss with a larger sample size, the sample size is the sample size.

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02-03-2013, 10:25 AM
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If that's really what you think puck possession and physicality amount to then there's no point continuing this discussion. Sorry I don't share the same viewpoint.
so you have no way to prove me wrong?

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02-03-2013, 10:27 AM
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he's so much better then hollweg...

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02-03-2013, 10:30 AM
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Isn't this the same sample size you are using? So either it applies to everything or nothing.

Since we wouldn't have much to talk about for a few weeks if we wanted to discuss with a larger sample size, the sample size is the sample size.
I'm talking about the value of puck possession stats through 7 games. I'm not using any sample size other than the historic correlation between hits and puck possession.

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02-03-2013, 10:36 AM
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I'm talking about the value of puck possession stats through 7 games. I'm not using any sample size other than the historic correlation between hits and puck possession.
Your evaluation of Komarov is based on sample size. Has to be unless you aren't basing it on anything.

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Your evaluation of Komarov is based on sample size. Has to be unless you aren't basing it on anything.
Ok, wasn't sure what you meant. I suppose so. Through 7 games I've seen a replacement level 3/4 liner with below average puck skills who has tallied 1 pt while his line mates have put up many more. Who knows maybe he proves to be the glue on that line through 48 games. Personally I just don't see it though. Feel free to disagree.

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BTW, even Carlyle called out Rask on his theatrics last night.

I didn't know diving was also a part of Bruins hockey.

This game might have been a lot different had that goal counted. Even if it didn't, that ***** wouldn't have gotten a shut out at least, 2-1 was the actual score.
It's been said before ,you can't say that the Bruins would've gotten that type of chance for the 2nd goal if the Leafs scored. The tempo would have been much different.

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Leading the league in hits is a negative stat IMO. It means when he is on the ice the other team most likely has possession of the puck. In order to rack up hit numbers your line needs to be bad. It's similar to how Crosby always has a high turnover rate. When you have the puck all the time you tend to give it away more than others.

I see Komarov as a grittier Rickard Wallin. I expect him to be one and done and back to Europe next year unless he can really step up his play.
Huh? He's not going anywhere. He may not be raking, but his linemates are leading the team in scoring..? He's no Wallin, that's for sure.

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02-03-2013, 10:51 AM
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Clean hit?

Are you so biased toward the team you root for you can't tell the difference between obvious interference and a clean hit?

Here's a good tool to help you sort it out: does the player who got hit have the puck? If he doesn't, you probably shouldn't be trumpeting it as "a clean hit."
Why are you so mad?

It's Rask's fault that Boychuk got hit that hard. He trolly tracked his own player by tossing the puck at his feet. While I agree that it is interference, it is a timing play that was mistimed but would never have happened if Rask didn't put his player into a vulnerable position. Kronwall makes that hit all the time and gets away with it often.

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Fail

Komarov is becoming a pest; guys other teams hate to play against. As evidenced by drawing a penalty from Chara, he is getting opposing players off their game, trying to retaliate instead of playing the game the way they normally do.
I think your right that he has the makings of a good agitator but don't get things confused. He didn't draw a penalty on Chara. He took a penalty hitting Boychuk from behind into the boards and Chara came to his defence. He's very lucky that Chara can control himself and didn't immediately drop his gloves. He looks like he can be an ideal 4th liner for you guys going forward. I don't know much about his skill set aside from being an effective checker but if he can become a defensive specialist he could be a very good 4th line pk'er for you guys.

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02-03-2013, 11:07 AM
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Leading the league in hits is a negative stat IMO. It means when he is on the ice the other team most likely has possession of the puck. In order to rack up hit numbers your line needs to be bad. It's similar to how Crosby always has a high turnover rate. When you have the puck all the time you tend to give it away more than others.

I see Komarov as a grittier Rickard Wallin. I expect him to be one and done and back to Europe next year unless he can really step up his play.
Comparing Komarov with Wallin? Arguably the worst comparison ever.

You should give us some more comparisons for a good laugh.

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Komarov has brought everything to the table that was advertised and i really like that about him. He knows his game and plays to his strength and it makes him a very effective player and creates space for his linemates and gets straight to the dirty areas and battles. An all around solid hockey player and if he was Canadian, Cherry would be tootin his horn every week.

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