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02-01-2013, 09:26 PM
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Radulov would definitely come in handy right about now...

What's going on with Smith, are his points accurately reflecting his play? I haven't been able to catch as many Preds games as id like this year but his numbers definitely scare me; then again nobody is doing too well offensively. Hopefully the Preds can snap out of this and get going, its so apparent they need a game changer up front.

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02-01-2013, 09:35 PM
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What's going on with Smith, are his points accurately reflecting his play?
No, but it's as close to an accurate reflection as possible given that a player cannot accumulate negative points.

He's been a terrible steaming pile so far.

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02-03-2013, 06:07 PM
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While everyone is just Giddy about the last wo games time for a reality check.

GGA average 2.12 would make the Preds very competitive usually.
GG 1.5 last in the league
total goals last in the league with 12 with dallas second to last with 4 more goals than preds.
SOG 22.1 per game worst in the league.
20th on the PP
16th on the PK
4th goals allowed with 17

The offensive situation shows little hope of improvment in the near future. Be it system, talent level or the effects of the Myan calander.

next sunday the season will be 1/4 over 4 tough games this week

Absent Pekka's 2.16 GGA and .915 save% and solid defensive play this start would have been a disaster.

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02-03-2013, 07:10 PM
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While everyone is just Giddy about the last wo games time for a reality check.

GGA average 2.12 would make the Preds very competitive usually.
GG 1.5 last in the league
total goals last in the league with 12 with dallas second to last with 4 more goals than preds.
SOG 22.1 per game worst in the league.
20th on the PP
16th on the PK
4th goals allowed with 17

The offensive situation shows little hope of improvment in the near future. Be it system, talent level or the effects of the Myan calander.

next sunday the season will be 1/4 over 4 tough games this week

Absent Pekka's 2.16 GGA and .915 save% and solid defensive play this start would have been a disaster.
All of that may wind up being true- maybe this season will wind up being a disaster- only time will tell.

But can't you also look at it a completely different way? If we can play at our absolute worst, during the most difficult part of our schedule (arguably the most difficult schedule any team has faced in the entire league) and still come away with 9 points in 8 games, can't you look at that as a positive?

There is no way we are going to play the poorly on offense the entire season- if we do, we will have by far the worst offense in NHL history- I don't see that happening. And unless something crazy happens, we will continue to have some of the top defense and goaltending the NHL.

You can't just say, "if it weren't for the defense and Pekka..."- we DO have them and its not a fluke. That is like saying of a great offensive team- "well, if they didn't average 4 goals a game, they would stink". The point is- they DO.

I know this is the negativity thread, but nobody knows how this season is going to go, and you can just as easily be encouraged about what has happened after 8 games as you can be discouraged.

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02-03-2013, 07:48 PM
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If you can be encouraged about 1 ROW in eight games more power to you. if 27 and 10 are out more than two weeks were looking forward to the offseason. F/A signings and the draft and another season.

Personally I have endured poor offense far too often with this team since 98. the early years it was understandable. Now someone must be accountable, ownership for misleading the fanbase, Poile for lack of ability to ice a legitimate 1st line in the NHL after being given a green light by owners, Coaching staff for lack of motivating the offensive players to create shots on goal, scoring chances, stick to stick passing. Players for failing to do all of the coaching areas that are shortfalls.

This is basically the same offense from last year while no moves were made to make them better there is nothing to indicate they should be this much worse. And it is possible that a win streak could happen. 48 more points needed to salvage a playoff spot and yes that is the legitimate watermark for any team, otherwise it is a disappointing season. So 24 wins are needed in last 40 games still doable but with there current play not very likley.

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02-03-2013, 08:25 PM
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If you can be encouraged about 1 ROW in eight games more power to you.
No- I am absolutely not encouraged about having 1 ROW in 8 games- no way. But the standings are not calculated by regulation wins. As I said, I am encouraged that we have somehow been able to get 9 points in 8 games against a horrific schedule while playing at our absolute worst most nights.

Hard to believe, but only 5 teams have more points than us in the Western Conference right now.

Look, I am just as worried about the offense as you, and I do think we are going to have trouble scoring goals all year. If the Predators were 0-8-0 right now, I would be agreeing with you 100%. If the offense continues to be this bad, I will be screaming about it just like you.

But as I posted in another thread, even without the high powered offense that everyone craves, the Predators have been one of the most successful teams in the NHL in the past 8 years. This may very well wind up being a down year, heck, we are probably due one. I just think it is premature to write the whole season off at this point- that's all.

Again, I realize we are in the negativity thread, but is everyone here just ready to give up on the season?

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02-04-2013, 02:25 AM
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Again, I realize we are in the negativity thread, but is everyone here just ready to give up on the season?
It's not worth it. I tried last year, just let the black cloud forever hover upon those who live here.

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02-04-2013, 02:41 AM
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Not enough offense.....not enough defense.....poor goaltending.Questionable coaching or front office moves. A lot of things can go poorly in the NHL, but there's one goal: To be in the playoffs with a chance to win the Cup. 7 of the last 8 years we've done that. We've been in a playoff hunt down to the wire every year since 2004. Think about that. This organization is doing enough things right to consistently succeed for nearly a decade. And before that we were still in expansion status. So, remembering that we're known as the "model expansion franchise", one could say we've been successful every single season.

Yeah our offense is weak sometimes through the years but we get where we have a chance at the Cup year in and year out because (among other things) we emphasize areas like....you know....defense, which takes away from a lot of offensive numbers. We still usually win more times than not because we have an identity. We could lack in offense, defense, coaching, etc and fans would eventually have enough of said problem and demand changes.

Different problems, same fan reaction.

But for the sake of being negative, yeah our offense blows right now.

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02-04-2013, 07:46 AM
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As bad as things have looked to begin the season, I'd much rather having them look this bad to begin the season.

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02-04-2013, 09:34 AM
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It's not worth it. I tried last year, just let the black cloud forever hover upon those who live here.
I hear you- quickly finding that out. One more note, however:

Compare our start this year to last year- we are actually off to a BETTER start than last year's 104 point team. And against a much tougher schedule and playing parts of it without our 2 best offensive players:


RECORD:
2013- 3-2-3
2012- 3-4-1

PTS:
2013- 9
2012- 7

GOALS SCORED:
2013- 14
2012- 15

GOALS ALLOWED:
2013- 20
2012- 23


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02-04-2013, 10:16 PM
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We have 12 goals not 14.

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Radulov would definitely come in handy right about now...
So I'm scared to start a separate thread about it since we all hate him so much and it's probably beating a dead horse but...it's been going around on Twitter today that Rads is in hot water with his KHL team and his agent is saying that he's "being pushed back to the NHL".

Someone refresh my memory on what our situation is with Rads' rights. Do we still have them? What's the deal?

Any chance we at least capitalize on those rumors by trading those rights?

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02-04-2013, 11:09 PM
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We have 12 goals not 14.
14 including the shootout game winners- 12 without.

Glad you took the time to post that- I really thought there were valid reasons that we at least have some hope for optimism, but since we have really only scored 12 goals instead of 14, I guess there isn't.

(kypredsfan, you are so right, its just not worth it)

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02-04-2013, 11:10 PM
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Our goal scoring has nowhere to go but up....I hope. This isn't sustainable as a winning strategy, but if we can win this way, imagine what'll happen is we start scoring.

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02-04-2013, 11:26 PM
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One regulation win so far. That sucks. . Period. The inability to even get SOG is pitiful. There is no excuse for our offense to be this anemic. And I have been over Trotz and his system for several seasons. The west is tough and the shortened season gives you less room for bad stretches. If we can't find a way to score more than 1 goal a game, the boys will be golfing inMay.

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02-05-2013, 12:20 AM
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So I'm scared to start a separate thread about it since we all hate him so much and it's probably beating a dead horse but...it's been going around on Twitter today that Rads is in hot water with his KHL team and his agent is saying that he's "being pushed back to the NHL".

Someone refresh my memory on what our situation is with Rads' rights. Do we still have them? What's the deal?

Any chance we at least capitalize on those rumors by trading those rights?
We have his rights. Poile said he would trade if he wants to come back to the NHL but that he won't play for us again

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Sorry Radulov, you can't come back. It wouldn't be fair to Brandon Yip.

He's such a hard worker!

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sorry radulov, you can't come back. it wouldn't be fair to brandon yip. youre a disruptive egomaniac who isnt nearly as good as you used to be nor as good as you (and a lot of the fanbase) think you are
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Radulov was our best forward down the stretch and in the playoffs. If he's not good enough...then who is?

Is he the ulimate team player? No, but isn't that the point of having high on character\low on ability players like Fisher around?

I guess I can understand though...I mean, when Mario Lemieux was an egomaniac headcase in the late 80s\early 90s, the Penguins would have none of it and booted his selfish butt off the team, too.

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Radulov was our best forward down the stretch and in the playoffs. If he's not good enough...then who is?

Is he the ulimate team player? No, but isn't that the point of having high on character\low on ability players like Fisher around?

I guess I can understand though...I mean, when Mario Lemieux was an egomaniac headcase in the late 80s\early 90s, the Penguins would have none of it and booted his selfish butt off the team, too.
you didnt really just compare Radulov to Lemieux, did you??


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you didnt really just compare Radulov to Lemieux, did you??

I compared the situation.

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This is all moot because Radulov isn't coming back.

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Radulov isn't worth the headache that comes along with him.

Can't believe you just compared him to Lemieux. Not even remotely close to similar situations.

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Radulov isn't worth the headache that comes along with him.

Can't believe you just compared him to Lemieux. Not even remotely close to similar situations.
Lemieux is obviously a different category of player, but beyond that, it's exactly the same situation. Lemieux was considered an uncoachable, selfish, egomaniac throughout most of his career. His practice habits and conditioning were always in question. The Penguins wisely put up with it because of what he contributed on ice and to the fans.

If you want to look at a more recent, less dramatic example...Alex Kovalev is another good comparison.

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