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02-03-2013, 08:16 PM
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I see this thrown around a lot, but is it actually true? What's the value of $2 million? answer the question, I guess you kind of have to ask yourself what a team would give up to rid themselves of $2 million in dead weight (historically not very much) and add that to the return Cammy would net if Calgary ate nothing.
Right now, I question if many or any teams will be lining up for Cammy at 4 million, IF Calgary ate 2 million. He needs to start showing something. He isn't worth 4 million, let alone 6 million right now. He is a former 30-goal scorer that pales in comparison of what he once was. JMO

Still early in the season and there is time to get going, but ...

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02-03-2013, 08:17 PM
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That, right there limits the trade market on Cammy - his price tag. You would like to know you are acquiring a 30-35 goal scorer for that amount of $$$. He hasn't been that for three years. With the cap going down, no one will take on that contract for picks. JMO
What about a conditional 2nd then? If Ottawa makes it into the 2nd round, it's a 2nd pick, otherwise a 3rd. The logic being that if Ottawa makes it passed the 1st round, one assumes that Cammy played a role in that and his salary is negated by the financial returns of the extra playoff games.

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02-03-2013, 08:19 PM
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Bourque has better production, is bigger, goes to dirty areas, is cheaper, isn't soft...

I'm very satisfied with the trade right now.
So far 8 games into the year, combined with last year Cammy is out producing him by alot.

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02-03-2013, 08:20 PM
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Right now, I question if many or any teams will be lining up for Cammy at 4 million, IF Calgary ate 2 million. He needs to start showing something. He isn't worth 4 million, let alone 6 million right now. He is a former 30-goal scorer that pales in comparison of what he once was. JMO

Still early in the season and there is time to get going, but ...
I had no problem with Cammalleri's play as a Flame last year for $6M.

I'm not about to give up on him after 6 games to start the season.

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02-03-2013, 08:21 PM
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To MTL
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To CAL
Kaberle + 5th


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To MTL
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To CAL
1st

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02-03-2013, 08:22 PM
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To MTL
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To CAL
Kaberle + 5th


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To CAL
1st
Cammalleri does not have negative value to the Flames.

6 games people. Christ.

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02-03-2013, 08:24 PM
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Cammalleri does not have negative value to the Flames.

6 games people. Christ.
He will very soon!

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He will very soon!
Nope.

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02-03-2013, 08:25 PM
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Cammalleri does not have negative value to the Flames.

6 games people. Christ.
He wasn't a $6 million player last year or in 2010-11 either though.

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02-03-2013, 08:26 PM
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What about a conditional 2nd then? If Ottawa makes it into the 2nd round, it's a 2nd pick, otherwise a 3rd. The logic being that if Ottawa makes it passed the 1st round, one assumes that Cammy played a role in that and his salary is negated by the financial returns of the extra playoff games.
Not too long ago, this guy was worth a first round pick at least without question. His production tailing off and his contract make this a problematic move for Calgary if that is the play. I don't know if that is something Calgary would do. I'm not sure what the answer is.

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He wasn't a $6 million player last year or in 2010-11 either though.
Cammalleri is overpaid at $6M. That doesn't mean he has negative value.

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He will very soon!
It's like the only people saying Cammalleri has negative value are Habs fans. Not even Flames fans.

Who are you to tell us what we want?

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He wasn't a $6 million player last year or in 2010-11 either though.
True that's why we won't move him, if he finds his game with Iggy (slowly starting to look like it) then we have another first line player, if he doesn't we only have to keep him on the roster for a year its not a big deal.

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To CAL
1st
Kaberle has indeed - value. It's not even close to a zero value either. Listening to your announcers on the radio, It sounds like he couldn't make it as the first D pairing for Greenland's National team. Your second trade is ridiculous.

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02-03-2013, 08:31 PM
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Cammalleri is overpaid at $6M. That doesn't mean he has negative value.
That's exactly what it means. Being overpaid means that his financial compensation exceeds his value as a player. That means a team could acquire better production than he provides for the money they'd be spending on him.

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02-03-2013, 08:33 PM
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That's exactly what it means. Being overpaid means that his financial compensation exceeds his value as a player. That means a team could acquire better production than he provides for the money they'd be spending on him.
That's not how it works at all. You don't know what you're talking about.

By this knowledge, if Jordan Eberle is worth exactly $6M, and his contract is for the same amount, then he has no value. Not positive, nor negative, because he's being paid exactly what he's worth.

That's not how the NHL works.

Again. You don't know what you're talking about.

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02-03-2013, 08:35 PM
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Cammy was pretty unidemensional when he was a Hab. He had a great shot but would mainly patrol faceoff circles and shoot his signature lasers from there. Is he still playing like this in Calgary?


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02-03-2013, 08:36 PM
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I'd do it but I think most Sens fans on here would ask for a 3rd or 4th coming back with Cammy.
I'd rather eat 1.5 of his contract instead, does that even it out

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02-03-2013, 08:42 PM
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That's not how it works at all. You don't know what you're talking about.

By this knowledge, if Jordan Eberle is worth exactly $6M, and his contract is for the same amount, then he has no value. Not positive, nor negative, because he's being paid exactly what he's worth.

That's not how the NHL works.

Again. You don't know what you're talking about.
Jordan Eberle is an elite player with a special skill set. You can't just acquire guys like that at will. Cammalleri is a one-dimensional player on a steep decline who can't stay healthy and has scored about 20 goals and 45 points a season over the last three seasons. That isn't a rare asset. Nobody is going to give anything of substance to acquire someone like that at a $6 million price tag, because any team can acquire a similar player for cheaper in the free agent market. See: Jiri Hudler, PA Parenteau etc...

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It's like the only people saying Cammalleri has negative value are Habs fans. Not even Flames fans.

Who are you to tell us what we want?
Easy there tiger.. We're not here to tell you what you want, quite the opposite.

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02-03-2013, 08:49 PM
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Jordan Eberle is an elite player with a special skill set. You can't just acquire guys like that at will. Cammalleri is a one-dimensional player on a steep decline who can't stay healthy and has scored about 20 goals and 45 points a season over the last three seasons. That isn't a rare asset. Nobody is going to give anything of substance to acquire someone like that, because any team can acquire a similar player for cheaper in the free agent market. See: Jiri Hudler, PA Parenteau etc...
You really are oblivious.

I used Eberle as an example. Apparently I should have used "player X". I was simply stating that your knowledge of evaluating player worth is ludicrous. If a player is actually worth $5M but instead he's paid $6M, that doesn't mean he has negative value, as your illogical post tried to convey. At the same time, a player who is being paid exactly what they are worth does not have zero value.

If Cammalleri scores 45 points in 65 games on an average season and has a cap hit of $6M, he does not have negative value. Sure, the cap hit difference between his actual worth and his actual pay bring his value down, but nothing close to negative value.

If Cammalleri has negative value, Bourque is worth negative 3 first round picks, Gionta negative 4, etc.

You just seem to use whatever method of evaluation that benefits your own players and works to devalue others.

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I'd rather eat 1.5 of his contract instead, does that even it out
Even if you eat 1.5, he isn't worth 4.5 million. You might have to eat 2 million and even that may not be enough.

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If Cammalleri has negative value, Bourque is worth negative 3 first round picks, Gionta negative 4, etc.
If so, please explain, enlighten us.

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You really are oblivious.

I used Eberle as an example. Apparently I should have used "player X". I was simply stating that your knowledge of evaluating player worth is ludicrous. If a player is actually worth $5M but instead he's paid $6M, that doesn't mean he has negative value, as your illogical post tried to convey. At the same time, a player who is being paid exactly what they are worth does not have zero value.

If Cammalleri scores 45 points in 65 games on an average season and has a cap hit of $6M, he does not have negative value. Sure, the cap hit difference between his actual worth and his actual pay bring his value down, but nothing close to negative value.

If Cammalleri has negative value, Bourque is worth negative 3 first round picks, Gionta negative 4, etc.

You just seem to use whatever method of evaluation that benefits your own players and works to devalue others.
It's about supply and demand. You brought Eberle up, so my response was specific to Eberle - no team would simply walk away from the opportunity to acquire an asset like that because demand is through the roof for players like that, even on the contract he's on.

What's the demand for declining 1-dimensional 20-goal, 45-point players signed this year and next for $7 million in cash and a $6 million in cap space? It isn't very high. The reason why it isn't high is because similar players can be acquired on cheaper contracts at no cost in assets during the offseason.

I also have no idea what Bourque or Gionta have to do with this.

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True that's why we won't move him, if he finds his game with Iggy (slowly starting to look like it) then we have another first line player, if he doesn't we only have to keep him on the roster for a year its not a big deal.
You have more options. One is to buy him out but you only do that when the player has zero or negative value. Cammy does have some value just not $6 million. Another option is to trade him and get something in return.

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That's exactly what it means. Being overpaid means that his financial compensation exceeds his value as a player. That means a team could acquire better production than he provides for the money they'd be spending on him.
Overpaid does not mean negative value. You'd have alot of players, many of them very good players, who would have negative value because of a sub-par year and hence, not justifying their salary. No one would say Ovechkin has negative value. You also assume that a cheaper yet more productive replacement can easily be found. Just not the case unless you are talking about a bottom-6 player.

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