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02-03-2013, 07:55 PM
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I also remember seeing one defencemen play 40 minutes one time. I forgot which player it was.

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02-03-2013, 07:58 PM
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His positioning is spotty as hell defensively but no one wants to admit it
I wouldn't call it "spotty as hell"; it could be better though.

But what some of you guys don't realize is that if he had great positional play, he'd probably be the best defenseman to ever play the game behind Orr.

So yes, you're right that that's his weakest spot, but everyone has weaknesses.

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I wouldn't call it "spotty as hell"; it could be better though.

But what some of you guys don't realize is that if he had great positional play, he'd probably be the best defenseman to ever play the game behind Orr.

So yes, you're right that that's his weakest spot, but everyone has weaknesses.
I hope you're not being serious with this post. He'd no doubt be the best dman in the league but he still wouldn't be better than Lidstrom or Bourque.

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It blows my mind that even though there is a thread on page one about Johnson played 35 minutes, this thread was posted.

Either way, pretty incredible ice time

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I wouldn't call it "spotty as hell"; it could be better though.

But what some of you guys don't realize is that if he had great positional play, he'd probably be the best defenseman to ever play the game behind Orr.

So yes, you're right that that's his weakest spot, but everyone has weaknesses.
People are criticizing Karlsson because he won the Norris next to Chara and Weber. His Norris was well deserved.

I hope he wins a few more I would love to see the reaction here.

Though, I don't think he's going to be better than Lidstrom, Bourque etc..

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02-03-2013, 08:05 PM
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I hope you're not being serious with this post. He'd no doubt be the best dman in the league but he still wouldn't be better than Lidstrom or Bourque.
If Karlsson had great positional play, in what way would Lidstrom be better?

Shot: Karlsson
Passing: Karlsson
Stickwork: Karlsson
Speed: Karlsson
Acceleration: Karlsson
Offensive Hockey Sense: Lidstrom
Physicality: Karlsson

What made Lidstrom so good was his positional play and defensive hockey sense.

I never got to watch Bourque play a lot so I won't comment but I find it difficult to believe that he'd have Karlsson beat on any of these other than physicality.

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02-03-2013, 08:08 PM
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People are criticizing Karlsson because he won the Norris next to Chara and Weber. His Norris was well deserved.

I hope he wins a few more I would love to see the reaction here.

Though, I don't think he's going to be better than Lidstrom, Bourque etc..
Oh no, neither do I. I'm just saying, people criticize him for having "spotty as hell" defensive positioning, and that that's really his only weakness. If he didn't have that weakness, he'd be one of the best all time (assuming he can play this way for an extended period of time).

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Ohlund played almost 47 minutes without OT in 1999

http://www.hockey-reference.com/boxs...902130VAN.html

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If Karlsson had great positional play, in what way would Lidstrom be better?

Shot: Karlsson
Passing: Karlsson
Stickwork: Karlsson
Speed: Karlsson
Acceleration: Karlsson
Hockey Sense: Lidstrom
Physicality: Karlsson

I never got to watch Bourque play a lot so I won't comment but I find it difficult to believe that he'd have Karlsson beat on any of these other than physicality.
Speed and acceleration should go both under skating. Karlsson has a better shot but he's not a better passer than Lidstrom was. Karlsson is extremely talented at directing the shot towards the net and there's always a forward ready to deflect it or tip it in. In terms of raw passing ability, I wouldn't say he's better than Lidstrom.

Neither are physical.

By stickwork do you mean stick-handling? As in, dangling the puck and whatnot? Because if you talk about stickwork like pokechecking or separating the carrier from the puck, Lidstrom would have a lot to teach to Karlsson.

The only thing Karlsson is definitely better than Lidstrom at is shooting and skating.

Bourque was better in all areas except for skating.

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02-03-2013, 08:12 PM
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Speed and acceleration should go both under skating. Karlsson has a better shot but he's not a better passer than Lidstrom was. Karlsson is extremely talented at directing the shot towards the net and there's always a forward ready to deflect it or tip it in. In terms of raw passing ability, I wouldn't say he's better than Lidstrom.

Neither are physical.

By stickwork do you mean stick-handling? As in, dangling the puck and whatnot? Because if you talk about stickwork like pokechecking or separating the carrier from the puck, Lidstrom would have a lot to teach to Karlsson.

The only thing Karlsson is definitely better than Lidstrom at is shooting and skating.
You're wrong about every detail in this post. We're done here.

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02-03-2013, 08:13 PM
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You're wrong about every detail in this post. We're done here.
You admitted you haven't watched Bourque play. By what you posted, I assume you haven't seen Lidstrom play a lot either.

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Ohlund played almost 47 minutes without OT in 1999

http://www.hockey-reference.com/boxs...902130VAN.html
Strangest box score of all time for a regular season game.

4 players on one team with over 40mins played.

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You admitted you haven't watched Bourque play. By what you posted, I assume you haven't seen Lidstrom play a lot either.
Or watched him the last couple seasons of his career, as an old player relying on hockey sense to compete with younger, faster, stronger players.

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Ohlund played almost 47 minutes without OT in 1999

http://www.hockey-reference.com/boxs...902130VAN.html
Geez, what's the story behind this? Massive flu bug?

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Or watched him the last couple seasons of his career, as an old player relying on hockey sense to compete with younger, faster, stronger players.
I was thinking that as well. Still, he didn't put forth much of an argument. What impresses me the most about Karlsson is his skating stride and effortless first steps. Kinda like Niedermayer in his prime. He's excellent in other aspect but the other poster is severely overrating him or just really underrating Lidstrom and Bourque.

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Geez, what's the story behind this? Massive flu bug?
No idea, im confused too

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I don't like Karlsson on the PK, personally.

He's a player that is MORE valuable in other areas. That said, I've actually been quite impressed with how he does do on the PK. He is actually decent. But he would be better being used elsewhere, rather than wasting energy on the PK.

He has had some issues with his passing, and such this year. He's still been great, but he could be better and MORE dominant.

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No idea, im confused too
What's incredible is that even though the Canucks' top pairing logged over 45 minutes apiece, the only allowed 15 shots. Can't imagine how much clutching and grabbing was going on.

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If Karlsson had great positional play, in what way would Lidstrom be better?

Shot: Karlsson
Passing: Karlsson
Stickwork: Karlsson
Speed: Karlsson
Acceleration: Karlsson
Offensive Hockey Sense: Lidstrom
Physicality: Karlsson

What made Lidstrom so good was his positional play and defensive hockey sense.

I never got to watch Bourque play a lot so I won't comment but I find it difficult to believe that he'd have Karlsson beat on any of these other than physicality.
You can't be serious.

The fact you're even mentioning him in the same sentence as Lidstrom shows either what a homer you are, or how little you've seen of Lidstrom... Karlsson is average at best defensively; a key component in being a defenseman.

Lidstrom could do it all.. Karlsson is a high risk high reward player with elite offensive ability. Lidstrom almost never made a mistake, Karlsson makes mistakes and untimely turnovers on a nightly basis. Anderson has been great the past two seasons and minimized Karlsson's 'low-lite' reel.


Karlsson even in the same category as Lidstrom? You're too funny!

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If Karlsson had great positional play, in what way would Lidstrom be better?

Shot: Karlsson
Passing: Karlsson
Stickwork: Karlsson
Speed: Karlsson
Acceleration: Karlsson
Offensive Hockey Sense: Lidstrom
Physicality: Karlsson

What made Lidstrom so good was his positional play and defensive hockey sense.

I never got to watch Bourque play a lot so I won't comment but I find it difficult to believe that he'd have Karlsson beat on any of these other than physicality.
Wow, this has to be one of the saddest and funniest things ever posted on this site.

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02-03-2013, 08:27 PM
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I don't like Karlsson on the PK, personally.

He's a player that is MORE valuable in other areas. That said, I've actually been quite impressed with how he does do on the PK. He is actually decent. But he would be better being used elsewhere, rather than wasting energy on the PK.

He has had some issues with his passing, and such this year. He's still been great, but he could be better and MORE dominant.
Agreed with this. Karlsson has had a rough start to the year for his standards. He can, and needs to be, much better.

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Wow, this has to be one of the saddest and funniest things ever posted on this site.
I don't know what's wrong with him. I did give him that Karlsson was definitely a better skater than Lidstrom, that and shooting are two areas I'd definitely put him ahead.

Passing is a wash but in terms of pure passing ability, I'd say Lidstrom.

Stickwork is definitely Lidstrom.

Physicality is pretty much irrelevant.

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02-03-2013, 08:34 PM
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I don't know what's wrong with him. I did give him that Karlsson was definitely a better skater than Lidstrom, that and shooting are two areas I'd definitely put him ahead.

Passing is a wash but in terms of pure passing ability, I'd say Lidstrom.

Stickwork is definitely Lidstrom.

Physicality is pretty much irrelevant.
Lidstrom was never close to Karlsson in terms of stripping the puck from the opponent. Not even close to close, Karlsson is an absolute animal in this area.

The fact that you would suggest even the remote possibility otherwise shows how little you know of Karlsson.

The passing ability is a much closer discussion, but you were so off on the stickwork that all credibility in your argument was lost.

Seriously. Did you not even watch the game today?

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30+mins can't be good for you, especially EK since he has to play like a forward b/c of our pathetic offense. Benoit & Wiercioch on our 2nd pairing, two guys most have never heard of. We don't have a choice.

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