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02-03-2013, 08:30 PM
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Dater said in his last podcast that O'Reilly's side was hurt that Landeskog got the captaincy.
He also mentioned that O'Reilly's representatives compared him to Evander Kane and the contract he got and that the Avs pointed out his -1 and compared it with Lando's +20 (= Lando lifted O'Reilly, instead of other way around).
Dater didn't speculate these things, he said them as truth.

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Dater said in his last podcast that O'Reilly's side was hurt that Landeskog got the captaincy.
He also mentioned that O'Reilly's representatives compared him to Evander Kane and the contract he got and that the Avs pointed out his -1 and compared it with Lando's +20 (= Lando lifted O'Reilly, instead of other way around).
Dater didn't speculate these things, he said them as truth.
I looked at that stat again today. Absolutely baffling. I didn't listen to the Dater podcast but I will after SB.

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O'Reilly has no reason to be upset about the captaincy. How he handled this whole thing has shown he's not as suitable as Landeskog is.

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O'Reilly has no reason to be upset about the captaincy. How he handled this whole thing has shown he's not as suitable as Landeskog is.
If this is true, I hope the Avs just trade O'Reilly soon. It's one thing to be upset about it, it's a completely different thing to use it as a reason to ask for more money or hold up a contract. If he doesn't want to be here under the circumstances that this isn't his team, then it's time to end this O'Reilly-Avs era.

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Dater said in his last podcast that O'Reilly's side was hurt that Landeskog got the captaincy.
He also mentioned that O'Reilly's representatives compared him to Evander Kane and the contract he got and that the Avs pointed out his -1 and compared it with Lando's +20 (= Lando lifted O'Reilly, instead of other way around).
Dater didn't speculate these things, he said them as truth.
I don't want O'Reilly anywhere near this team if this is all true.

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02-03-2013, 09:30 PM
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02-03-2013, 09:48 PM
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Dater said in his last podcast that O'Reilly's side was hurt that Landeskog got the captaincy.
He also mentioned that O'Reilly's representatives compared him to Evander Kane and the contract he got and that the Avs pointed out his -1 and compared it with Lando's +20 (= Lando lifted O'Reilly, instead of other way around).
Dater didn't speculate these things, he said them as truth.
I'm not a plus minus fan, but you had to expect the other side to push back in negotiations, come on. That's not even remotely insulting, it's a common question in hockey.

And if the captaincy really is at issue, that is so juvenile I can't even believe it. Maybe he should have signed if he wanted to be considered for the captaincy. What were they gonna do, give him more leverage in negotiations? We've all seen what he's tried to do with minimal leverage!

The more that comes out the uglier this looks for O'Reilly and his agent. Especially the agent. This is standard negotiation stuff that the agent has encouraged his client to take offense over. All so the agent can make a (already failed) run at redefining the 2nd contract? Good lord this is pure insanity from the O'Reilly camp.

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Couldn't care less anymore. Trade him for whatever they can get.

The only bad part is he will clearly go on to be a great player, and in the end we will just have to hear about how Colorado ****** up in letting him go, all of the bull**** from his side will be forgotten and it will be looked on as a terrible move by Colorado.

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LOL Evander Kane? You mean the same Evander Kane that put up 43 points his 2nd year(compared to a mind blowing 26 for Ryan-o)and 57 points that included 30 goals his 3rd year? Offer him a last offer. 3 years, 12M. Don't want it? See ya later!

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Of course he was pissed about not being named captain this shouldn't come as a surprise. Makes perfect sense to me.

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I'm not a plus minus fan, but you had to expect the other side to push back in negotiations, come on. That's not even remotely insulting, it's a common question in hockey.

And if the captaincy really is at issue, that is so juvenile I can't even believe it. Maybe he should have signed if he wanted to be considered for the captaincy. What were they gonna do, give him more leverage in negotiations? We've all seen what he's tried to do with minimal leverage!

The more that comes out the uglier this looks for O'Reilly and his agent. Especially the agent. This is standard negotiation stuff that the agent has encouraged his client to take offense over. All so the agent can make a (already failed) run at redefining the 2nd contract? Good lord this is pure insanity from the O'Reilly camp.

Not only you have to expect the other side to push back , but this pushing back and forth should stay between the agent and the team involve . A player shouldnt be aware of such basic tactic of negociations. You're absolutely right when you say that we should point out his agent . If everything is true, his agent is acting like a kid talking to an adult . Come on, this can't be serious

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Dater said in his last podcast that O'Reilly's side was hurt that Landeskog got the captaincy.
He also mentioned that O'Reilly's representatives compared him to Evander Kane and the contract he got and that the Avs pointed out his -1 and compared it with Lando's +20 (= Lando lifted O'Reilly, instead of other way around).
Dater didn't speculate these things, he said them as truth.
I question the extent of the things Dater actually knows.

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The Kane argument is a pretty good starting point for them actually. If you ignore Kane's projection, I could see a decent case being made for O'Reilly's defense bridging their goal scoring differences. Unfortunately that's not how these things work... and I'm guessing he bought in really hard on that comparable.

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LOL Evander Kane? You mean the same Evander Kane that put up 43 points his 2nd year(compared to a mind blowing 26 for Ryan-o)and 57 points that included 30 goals his 3rd year? Offer him a last offer. 3 years, 12M. Don't want it? See ya later!
Which one would you rather have on your team? I know who I would pick.

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I question the extent of the things Dater actually knows.
I do take his report with a grain of salt. Especially with that CBA thing he screwed up so recent...

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I question the extent of the things Dater actually knows.
I think you must question everything that revolves around the Avs yes.
Dater gave though a quite detailed description of Guy's techniques to show O'Reilly's worth (what he used how he used, everything is in the podcast).

But yes, I'm not saying everything is the absolute truth, but a beat writer who says he is telling the truth is the most reliable source that we have had, and have right now.

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Which one would you rather have on your team? I know who I would pick.
Phil Kessel earns more than Patrice Bergeron. Goalscoring inflates salary.

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Yeah, hard to trust Dater on pretty much anything. BUT if this is true and it got out like this, how could Ryan ever step foot in the locker room ever again?

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Yeah, hard to trust Dater on pretty much anything. BUT if this is true and it got out like this, how could Ryan ever step foot in the locker room ever again?
If what Dater said is true it's coming from only one side, O'Reilly's.

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Phil Kessel earns more than Patrice Bergeron. Goalscoring inflates salary.
Maple Leafs are doing great. As are the Jets. Good point.

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If this is true, my question is
Why not give ROR the captaincy?

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Which one would you rather have on your team? I know who I would pick.
The 30+ goal scorer pretty damn easily.

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LOL Evander Kane? You mean the same Evander Kane that put up 43 points his 2nd year(compared to a mind blowing 26 for Ryan-o)and 57 points that included 30 goals his 3rd year? Offer him a last offer. 3 years, 12M. Don't want it? See ya later!
Something else that we must keep in mind , Canadian teams must overpay a bit for a player because of the higher level of taxation over here in Canada. That's common knowledge arround the NHL.

Radar's agent should know that.

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If this is true, my question is
Why not give ROR the captaincy?
So you'd strip Lando of the Captaincy and give it to ROR just to help his hurt feelings?

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