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02-03-2013, 04:38 PM
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The gap of skill between Prust and the Gally's really showed today. I think it's time to give Eller that spot and have a nice energy 4th line.
The skill and speed gap between Prust and the Gallys is starting to show. Having Prust there is nice against the Bruins of the world, but it might be time to experiment with giving them another skilled player.

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Bourque - Plekanec - Gionta
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Armstrong
Prust - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Moen - Eller - Cole

4 lines that can score
LOL Cole on the 4th line, not happening

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The skill and speed gap between Prust and the Gallys is starting to show. Having Prust there is nice against the Bruins of the world, but it might be time to experiment with giving them another skilled player.
Not bad to give Gally another center to take faceoffs for him if/when he gets caught cheating.

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LOL Cole on the 4th line, not happening
When you roll 4 lines it doesn't matter which number you assign it. Plus he would still play on the PP and probably take a few of Armstrong's shifts some of the time.

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No matter what we must not trade Eller. We'll regret it if we do.

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I liked what I saw with DD, against Buffalo.

Would love to see...

Gio - Plek - Bourque
Pacio - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Eller - DD - Cole
Moen - Armstrong - Prust

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02-03-2013, 05:55 PM
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No matter what we must not trade Eller. We'll regret it if we do.
Totally approve. This kid has too much potential

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02-03-2013, 06:00 PM
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I liked what I saw with DD, against Buffalo.

Would love to see...

Gio - Plek - Bourque
Pacio - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Eller - DD - Cole
Moen - Armstrong - Prust
Prust is a must on the G&G line. Anyway they are playing 10-12 minutes per game.

Same as the so-called #4 line.

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What I gather from everyone is that skills wise, he's got it. HAving him on the fourth line is not a wast but rather a telling story about our top9. The big question about Eller is , does he have to drive to add to his skills sets.
I'm one of them who wouldn't lose any sleep if he was traded for a usefull return. I also don't mine him being on the fourth line. He has seen time on the PP. MT has lit a fire under his ass that has shown the last 2-3 games and that's good for him. That also means guys like Cole, Bourque, DD and both rookies can't lift the peddle one bit.

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I've said it in the past, if the Habs are to trade Eller, the return must be right. At the moment, there's probably one, realistic, scenario I would accept : to the Isles with Nino coming back since he's asked for a trade.

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Holy Christ!

The bipolarism on this forum when it comes to Eller & DD

Seriously you guys complain you want him to perform, he performs then gets demoted for it? And almost plays the least minutes of all players but still get's off 3 shots.

I don't understand that some of you can still defend being so negative towards Eller.

I WISH he would ask for a trade, and then rub it in your faces next season

Ima piss some of you guys of now, but so be it

What is it you guys want from him? He has IMO proven he is more than capable to play 3rd line duties both offensively and defensively? So if that's the case I don't understand people saying he hasn't proven himself?

If you guys want him to prove more, he needs to be given more responsibility and TOI, nothing else makes sense??
He hasn't been given that on a large scale.. the times he has, he doesn't get rewarded for it.

SO what is it you want from him?

Be glad that he is danish!!! Danes tend not to complain and always do what they are told..
No one would stand for such a treatment, only a dane!

Seriously make up your minds about him or trade him!

Poor kid is being bashed in the media, by fans and staff... WTF it's like bullying on a grand scale!

You guys are NOT making friends in the danish hockey community right now!


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Holy Christ!

The bipolarism on this forum when it comes to Eller & DD

Seriously you guys complain you want him to perform, he performs then gets demoted for it? And almost plays the least minutes of all players but still get's off 3 shots.

I don't understand that some of you can still defend being so negative towards Eller.

I WISH he would ask for a trade, and then rub it in your faces next season

Ima piss some of you guys of now, but so be it

What is it you guys want from him? He has IMO proven he is more than capable to play 3rd line duties both offensively and defensively? So if that's the case I don't understand people saying he hasn't proven himself?

If you guys want him to prove more, he needs to be given more responsibility and TOI, nothing else makes sense??
He hasn't been given that on a large scale.. the times he has, he doesn't get rewarded for it.

SO what is it you want from him?

Be glad that he is danish!!! Danes tend not to complain and always do what they are told..
No one would stand for such a treatment, only a dane!

Seriously make up your minds about him or trade him!

Poor kid is being bashed in the media, by fans and staff... WTF it's like bullying on a grand scale!

You guys are NOT making friends in the danish hockey community right now!
While I agree with you, this doesn't matter at all.

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I really like Eller. I'd love to see him with the Gallys, but understand why Prust is there too.

As someone mentioned, if anything, this shows the strength of our lineup. Sucks for him to get the icetime he gets, but like that he's getting some PP time too.

Also, someone's bound to get hurt and we'll be very happy we have someone as versatile as Eller in the lineup who can be slotted pretty much anywhere.,

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02-04-2013, 10:31 AM
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Holy Christ!

The bipolarism on this forum when it comes to Eller & DD

Seriously you guys complain you want him to perform, he performs then gets demoted for it? And almost plays the least minutes of all players but still get's off 3 shots.

I don't understand that some of you can still defend being so negative towards Eller.

I WISH he would ask for a trade, and then rub it in your faces next season

Ima piss some of you guys of now, but so be it

What is it you guys want from him? He has IMO proven he is more than capable to play 3rd line duties both offensively and defensively? So if that's the case I don't understand people saying he hasn't proven himself?

If you guys want him to prove more, he needs to be given more responsibility and TOI, nothing else makes sense??
He hasn't been given that on a large scale.. the times he has, he doesn't get rewarded for it.

SO what is it you want from him?

Be glad that he is danish!!! Danes tend not to complain and always do what they are told..
No one would stand for such a treatment, only a dane!

Seriously make up your minds about him or trade him!

Poor kid is being bashed in the media, by fans and staff... WTF it's like bullying on a grand scale!

You guys are NOT making friends in the danish hockey community right now!
Lol.. Chill out. Your thread is not making any sense at all. First of all the majority of people on this board have liked Eller from the beginning and still does. At least thats how i see it when reading posts about him. The general opinion is that he has not been given a fair chance to produce offensively yet. Obviously there are those that doesnt think too highly of him, but every player on every team not named Malkin, Crosby, Stamkos etc will have fans that dont like them. Also dude, trash talked by the staff?? Our coach spoke highly of his performance the last 2 games. Eller will get his chance at some point. I also havent seen him get trashed in the media, maybe i missed it. Also dont come here talking about bipolar fans. I read the canucks forum, and the Kesler thread you guys had going last year. Lastly im guessing the Canadiens will continue to exist without the support of the mighty hockey nation of Denmark

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02-04-2013, 10:37 AM
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Holy Christ!

The bipolarism on this forum when it comes to Eller & DD

Seriously you guys complain you want him to perform, he performs then gets demoted for it? And almost plays the least minutes of all players but still get's off 3 shots.

I don't understand that some of you can still defend being so negative towards Eller.

I WISH he would ask for a trade, and then rub it in your faces next season

Ima piss some of you guys of now, but so be it

What is it you guys want from him? He has IMO proven he is more than capable to play 3rd line duties both offensively and defensively? So if that's the case I don't understand people saying he hasn't proven himself?

If you guys want him to prove more, he needs to be given more responsibility and TOI, nothing else makes sense??
He hasn't been given that on a large scale.. the times he has, he doesn't get rewarded for it.

SO what is it you want from him?

Be glad that he is danish!!! Danes tend not to complain and always do what they are told..
No one would stand for such a treatment, only a dane!

Seriously make up your minds about him or trade him!

Poor kid is being bashed in the media, by fans and staff... WTF it's like bullying on a grand scale!

You guys are NOT making friends in the danish hockey community right now!
I mostly agree with you. I'd actually like to see what would happen if Eller centered a line of DD and Patches and we stuck Cole with the 2 Gallys. But that line just starting to heat up so I don't see that happening right now. Still think you try to play Eller with the 2 Gallys. Prust makes sense there against tougher teams, but when you can protect them with depth and line management it makes sense to play them with Eller, who can actually keep up with them.

Oh, and the Habs fanbase is among the most bipolar in the league, I doubt that changes anytime. Our media is also the worst in the league. As for the Org, he's just a victim of depth, I doubt he remains on the 4th line, he's far to talented for that.

Still, don't take it as a personal insult to Dane's in general.

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02-04-2013, 10:55 AM
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Eller is milquetoast and needs to re-invent himself to stay in the NHL. The team needs a player that can play in all zones and win key faceoffs, that's a need I see Eller possibly filling. Otherwise, Ryan White may step up and make Eller completely redundant.

At that point he'll be reduced to an obscure answer to a trivia question about Jaro Halak.

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Lol.. Chill out. Your thread is not making any sense at all. First of all the majority of people on this board have liked Eller from the beginning and still does. At least thats how i see it when reading posts about him. The general opinion is that he has not been given a fair chance to produce offensively yet. Obviously there are those that doesnt think too highly of him, but every player on every team not named Malkin, Crosby, Stamkos etc will have fans that dont like them. Also dude, trash talked by the staff?? Our coach spoke highly of his performance the last 2 games. Eller will get his chance at some point. I also havent seen him get trashed in the media, maybe i missed it. Also dont come here talking about bipolar fans. I read the canucks forum, and the Kesler thread you guys had going last year. Lastly im guessing the Canadiens will continue to exist without the support of the mighty hockey nation of Denmark
Im absolutely certain about that.
Well i'll try not to bring fuel on the fire.

I think maybe it's just a another proof of culturel differences.
Danish players are generally somewhat security-addict. They play their best when they feel they are supported (which is only natural when you grow up in a socialist welfare state).
In many other places you try to psych up a player with giving him some adversity (like benching) in hope he will try harder. That is absolutely the worst thing you can do if you want the player to perform better. A danish player will start doubting whether he got any confidence in the coach and he will start doubting himself and play worse.
It happens all the time when danish soccer players come to Germany and are being hardtalked by German coaches. Thats why you see teams enlisting groups of danes together in the same clubs so they feel this security around them.
Ajax (Netherlands) in soccer, some swedish hockey clubs like Rögle, Malmö, Leksand and Oskarshamn do the same.
Frans Nielsen even admitted that until he got his longterm contract for NYI I affected his game negatively. First when he was secure could his game really shine.

If the coach/public want any visible reaction from Lars Eller when being shuffled or benched you wont get it...danish players take a demotion as "proof" they are out of favour (even if it's only subconciously and they try mentally to fight it off).

Thats why the danish NT takes in especially special swedish coaches that have knowledge of this peculiar psychology of danes (because you don't have it in Sweden, but if they have been in one of the "danish" SEL/Allsvenskan clubs they will know it).

EDIT: Eller has actually for a danish player done extremely well with all these uncertainty...3 points when finally on first line. I would say "way to go Eller"!
Off course this is a rough generalization..you have tough nosed danes as Jannik Hansen, or Preben Elkjær in soccer that was asked by his german coach whether he had visited a bar the night before a game being seen with a girl and a bottle of whiskey? He replied cooly that is was 2 girls and a bottle of vodka. He chainedsmoked cigerettes in halftime and didn't give a ****.


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Im absolutely certain about that.
Well i'll try not to bring fuel on the fire.

I think maybe it's just a another proof of culturel differences.
Danish players are generally somewhat security-addict. They play their best when they feel they are supported (which is only natural when you grow up in a socialist welfare state).
In many other places you try to psych up a player with giving him some adversity (like benching) in hope he will try harder. That is absolutely the worst thing you can do if you want the player to perform better. A danish player will start doubting whether he got any confidence in the coach and he will start doubting himself and play worse.
It happens all the time when danish soccer players come to Germany and are being hardtalked by German coaches. Thats why you see teams enlisting groups of danes together in the same clubs so they feel this security around them.
Ajax (Netherlands) in soccer, some swedish hockey clubs like Rögle, Malmö, Leksand and Oskarshamn do the same.
Frans Nielsen even admitted that until he got his longterm contract for NYI I affected his game negatively. First when he was secure could his game really shine.

If the coach/public want any visible reaction from Lars Eller when being shuffled or benched you wont get it...danish players take a demotion as "proof" they are out of favour (even if it's only subconciously and they try mentally to fight it off).

Thats why the danish NT takes in especially special swedish coaches that have knowledge of this peculiar psychology of danes (because you don't have it in Sweden, but if they have been in one of the "danish" SEL/Allsvenskan clubs they will know it).

EDIT: Eller has actually for a danish player done extremely well with all these uncertainty...3 points when finally on first line. I would say "way to go Eller"!
I agree with your point about Danish athletes need for security in order to perform. I just dont see Eller that way.

Imo he shouldnt have been benched after the first game of the season. yes he played pretty meh, but every Habs fwd played bad that game.

The thing about Eller, though is that he didnt seem to take it the wrong way, and he actually played better once he got back in the lineup. I think it will take a lot more to break a guy like him. hes an intelligent kid. Also being benched for 2 games as a 23 year old is not the end of the world.

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At that point he'll be reduced to an obscure answer to a trivia question about Jaro Halak.
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I agree with your point about Danish athletes need for security in order to perform. I just dont see Eller that way.

Imo he shouldnt have been benched after the first game of the season. yes he played pretty meh, but every Habs fwd played bad that game.

The thing about Eller, though is that he didnt seem to take it the wrong way, and he actually played better once he got back in the lineup. I think it will take a lot more to break a guy like him. hes an intelligent kid. Also being benched for 2 games as a 23 year old is not the end of the world.
My point is that it's possible he is affected, but he responds to it very well (for being danish). I just think that with more stability he would get even better, not more shuffling!

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I think Eller is too good to trade, he'll just develop and he's useful in both special teams and actually a pretty decent threat, and opponents might not always see him as that. He'll just get better and on a creative line he can produce more. If we're not getting something really great in return I wouldn't like to see him being traded. This is coming from a Swede and littlebrother Denmark has actually for once got something good to contribute with

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While I agree with you, this doesn't matter at all.
C'mon, ofcourse I know that I was just adding a little to my fuming

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Lol.. Chill out. Your thread is not making any sense at all. First of all the majority of people on this board have liked Eller from the beginning and still does. At least thats how i see it when reading posts about him. The general opinion is that he has not been given a fair chance to produce offensively yet. Obviously there are those that doesnt think too highly of him, but every player on every team not named Malkin, Crosby, Stamkos etc will have fans that dont like them. Also dude, trash talked by the staff?? Our coach spoke highly of his performance the last 2 games. Eller will get his chance at some point. I also havent seen him get trashed in the media, maybe i missed it. Also dont come here talking about bipolar fans. I read the canucks forum, and the Kesler thread you guys had going last year. Lastly im guessing the Canadiens will continue to exist without the support of the mighty hockey nation of Denmark
Read above:

And also, where do I not make sense???
You do know opinions and perceptions are relative right?

Well I most certainly saw something in the media, and it wasn't exaclty flattering.. As for staff, if im wrong I do apologize

Haha ofcourse we have our share of bipolar fans? So because I come here and see some bipolar behaviour I cant mention it, because it happened on the nuck forum?

Im somehow responsible for all nuck supporters?

Come on dude, give me a break Im all chilled out, just voicing my opinion.. Im sorry if I didn't put in enough emoticons for ya, and im sorry facial expressions don't come across on forums

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I mostly agree with you. I'd actually like to see what would happen if Eller centered a line of DD and Patches and we stuck Cole with the 2 Gallys. But that line just starting to heat up so I don't see that happening right now. Still think you try to play Eller with the 2 Gallys. Prust makes sense there against tougher teams, but when you can protect them with depth and line management it makes sense to play them with Eller, who can actually keep up with them.

Oh, and the Habs fanbase is among the most bipolar in the league, I doubt that changes anytime. Our media is also the worst in the league. As for the Org, he's just a victim of depth, I doubt he remains on the 4th line, he's far to talented for that.

Still, don't take it as a personal insult to Dane's in general.
I actually liked them together the few shifts they had, so I agree

Well we aren't saints back i nuckland when it comes to media, but yeah some harsh judgments on Eller.

Naa, I know better than to take it personally! I know that if he somehow exploded point wise, Denmark would be very popular

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Im absolutely certain about that.
Well i'll try not to bring fuel on the fire.

I think maybe it's just a another proof of culturel differences.
Danish players are generally somewhat security-addict. They play their best when they feel they are supported (which is only natural when you grow up in a socialist welfare state).
In many other places you try to psych up a player with giving him some adversity (like benching) in hope he will try harder. That is absolutely the worst thing you can do if you want the player to perform better. A danish player will start doubting whether he got any confidence in the coach and he will start doubting himself and play worse.
It happens all the time when danish soccer players come to Germany and are being hardtalked by German coaches. Thats why you see teams enlisting groups of danes together in the same clubs so they feel this security around them.
Ajax (Netherlands) in soccer, some swedish hockey clubs like Rögle, Malmö, Leksand and Oskarshamn do the same.
Frans Nielsen even admitted that until he got his longterm contract for NYI I affected his game negatively. First when he was secure could his game really shine.

If the coach/public want any visible reaction from Lars Eller when being shuffled or benched you wont get it...danish players take a demotion as "proof" they are out of favour (even if it's only subconciously and they try mentally to fight it off).

Thats why the danish NT takes in especially special swedish coaches that have knowledge of this peculiar psychology of danes (because you don't have it in Sweden, but if they have been in one of the "danish" SEL/Allsvenskan clubs they will know it).

EDIT: Eller has actually for a danish player done extremely well with all these uncertainty...3 points when finally on first line. I would say "way to go Eller"!
Off course this is a rough generalization..you have tough nosed danes as Jannik Hansen, or Preben Elkjær in soccer that was asked by his german coach whether he had visited a bar the night before a game being seen with a girl and a bottle of whiskey? He replied cooly that is was 2 girls and a bottle of vodka. He chainedsmoked cigerettes in halftime and didn't give a ****.
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I think Eller is too good to trade, he'll just develop and he's useful in both special teams and actually a pretty decent threat, and opponents might not always see him as that. He'll just get better and on a creative line he can produce more. If we're not getting something really great in return I wouldn't like to see him being traded. This is coming from a Swede and littlebrother Denmark has actually for once got something good to contribute with
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It’s Eller 3rd season in Montreal and he still has not find a regular role/spot after playing as a C 90% of the time. Maybe adding the capacity to play wing to his repertoire can help him find a niche in the NHL? Desharnais looked good on Gomez’s wing alongside Gionta, Seguin first cracked Boston line up as a winger, Leblanc, a natural center, also looked good with the big club last season... on wings. Heck... even a guy like Streit, a freakin’ D!, made his first strides in the NHL as a winger.

Based on his performance alongside Desharnais and Cole Saturday, I am sure he can thrive as a winger.

However:
  • Galchenyuk and Gallagher surpassed him in the depth chart. Though on Galchenyuk’s case it is more a matter of development and potential because, on even strength, right now, Eller > 18 years old Glachenyuk imo.
  • Prust is a lock on 3rd
  • Against a team like the Bruins, I expect Eller out and White in.

So, short terms, when everyone is healthy and especially against tough teams, Eller fits in the press box. Against “softer” teams, he will play C on 4th. When Pacioretty went down, Eller was there to pick up the slack. If he keeps doing this, he will force himself back in the lineup.

Depth is a good thing.

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