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02-03-2013, 08:45 PM
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Whoops, I forgot to include that I saw it on a chat room by a Panthers fan.
There is no way I am trading that much for a signed Weiss muchless an unsigned Weiss.
I think something like the Islanders 2nd and Holland would do it for me.

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What is going on with Getz and Perry? No word yet

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Whoops, I forgot to include that I saw it on a chat room by a Panthers fan.
There is no way I am trading that much for a signed Weiss muchless an unsigned Weiss.
I think something like the Islanders 2nd and Holland would do it for me.
our best prospect for an unsigned 2C no thanks

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02-03-2013, 11:03 PM
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our best prospect for an unsigned 2C no thanks
You are crazy if you think Holland is our best prospect.
We have a few players above him. Even at Center depth.

Rakell
Lindholm
Palmieri
Etem
Holland

You can move around a few players but either way I don't think that Holland is our best prospect. But, I would move him in order to get Weiss who is 10 times better Holland is at this point. He is a 20 goal scorer EVERY year no matter the players he plays with.
How long are we going to sit and wait for the Holland experiment to work out?
I mean he drafted in 2009. We have had 3 drafts since then.
I would personally like to trade him before his trade value drops off and we end up with another Logan Macmilan on our hands?

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02-03-2013, 11:07 PM
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You are crazy if you think Holland is our best prospect.
We have a few players above him. Even at Center depth.

Rakell
Lindholm
Palmieri
Etem
Holland

You can move around a few players but either way I don't think that Holland is our best prospect. But, I would move him in order to get Weiss who is 10 times better Holland is at this point. He is a 20 goal scorer EVERY year no matter the players he plays with.
How long are we going to sit and wait for the Holland experiment to work out?
I mean he drafted in 2009. We have had 3 drafts since then.
I would personally like to trade him before his trade value drops off and we end up with another Logan Macmilan on our hands?
Way too impatient. I would deal Holland, but only if it returned a signed 2nd line center.

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02-03-2013, 11:07 PM
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Holland isn't Logan Mcmillan though. He's shown he can score at near a PPG pace in the AHL two straight years. He'll be a 3rd line center at worst in my opinion

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02-03-2013, 11:08 PM
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He's only ever played 5 nhl games. Not nearly enough to say anything about him, good or bad.

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02-03-2013, 11:13 PM
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Way too impatient. I would deal Holland, but only if it returned a signed 2nd line center.
Not at all. I think prospects are so overrated in today's sports.
Teams turn down trades cause they don't want to give up 1-2 of their prospects even for a proven player in this league.
I would glady trade Holland and a 2nd even for an unsigned Weiss.
Why?
Cause if Getz or Perry walk then we give him the money and we don't become a bottom feeder team when we lose one of Getz or Perry, Teemu, Saku, and even Lydman.
Then at least we have a backup plan and it has been proven that players often resign with the team that traded for them resign with them when they give up to prospects for them.
Also, before you do anything, find out if he wants to come here. It really isn't that hard. A friend talks to a friend and you find out.

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02-03-2013, 11:14 PM
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Since when do we write off 21 year olds that are producing at nearly a PPG pace in the AHL? Logan MacMillan never produced at any professional level, comparing him and Holland is ridiculous.

By the way Bobby Ryan made the NHL full time in the 4th season after he was drafted, this is only the 4th season for Holland since he was drafted. Not everybody will jump into the NHL as early as Fowler did.

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02-03-2013, 11:20 PM
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Logan Macmillan fell off a cliff virtually the moment we drafted him. Holland has done nothing but improve since we took him. What? I don't even...

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02-03-2013, 11:21 PM
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Not at all. I think prospects are so overrated in today's sports.
Teams turn down trades cause they don't want to give up 1-2 of their prospects even for a proven player in this league.
I would glady trade Holland and a 2nd even for an unsigned Weiss.
Why?
Cause if Getz or Perry walk then we give him the money and we don't become a bottom feeder team when we lose one of Getz or Perry, Teemu, Saku, and even Lydman.
Then at least we have a backup plan and it has been proven that players often resign with the team that traded for them resign with them when they give up to prospects for them.
Also, before you do anything, find out if he wants to come here. It really isn't that hard. A friend talks to a friend and you find out.
And then once you've given the money to a 2C you no longer have the money to give to a 1C. Which is why prospects are so valued - you can't have a successful team for more than one year in a cap league unless you have good players on ELC's.

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Since when do we write off 21 year olds that are producing at nearly a PPG pace in the AHL? Logan MacMillan never produced at any professional level, comparing him and Holland is ridiculous.

By the way Bobby Ryan made the NHL full time in the 4th season after he was drafted, this is only the 4th season for Holland since he was drafted. Not everybody will jump into the NHL as early as Fowler did.
Even with that being said, he isn't our best prospect and Weiss has a 95% chance of being a better NHL player then Holland.

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02-03-2013, 11:39 PM
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And what if Weiss doesn't re-sign either? Then we've lost Getzlaf, Perry, Weiss and Holland.

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02-03-2013, 11:44 PM
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Keep in mind who are 3rd and 4th line centers may be.
If we are to acquire another center he has to be on the bigger side IMO.

That's why I want to wait and see how Ryan can do over a 10 game sample size atleast

Getzlaf
Ryan
Koivu
Bonino

Has potential. Giving up on Holland right now would be ill-conceived he hasn't even gotten a chance really.

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02-04-2013, 12:31 AM
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And what if Weiss doesn't re-sign either? Then we've lost Getzlaf, Perry, Weiss and Holland.
And Teemu and Koivu and Lydman. The team would be awesome

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Even with that being said, he isn't our best prospect and Weiss has a 95% chance of being a better NHL player then Holland.
In all likelihood, Holland probably won't reach the level Weiss has played at. But 1/3 of a season of Weiss plus a slim chance at resigning him is not worth multiple seasons of a 21 year old who projects to be a decent second liner.

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Ah, Logan MacMillan ... I remember (unfortunately) when his career fell off the track in the Fall of 2007... Concussions, numerous off-ice problems ... It was terrible watching....

That being said it's absolutely unfair to mention his name in the same sentence as Holland lol. I can at least see why Holland was picked in round 1 unlike Logan.

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02-04-2013, 02:06 AM
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2007 was a terrible draft, MacMillan was projected to go in the first round at the time of the draft. But yeah so much for a "safe, great character" pick. Didn't he miss a whole bunch of games the season after he was drafted because he was exhausted from the hockey lifestyle?

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I wonder if Holland would be a good option to try on LW with Getz and Perry.

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02-04-2013, 03:27 AM
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Ah, Logan MacMillan ... I remember (unfortunately) when his career fell off the track in the Fall of 2007... Concussions, numerous off-ice problems ... It was terrible watching....

That being said it's absolutely unfair to mention his name in the same sentence as Holland lol. I can at least see why Holland was picked in round 1 unlike Logan.
I remember throwing **** at my tv when we passed on MaxPac. We passed on an american power forward, for a canadian who at best was going to be a 3rd or 4th line player.

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2007 was a terrible draft, MacMillan was projected to go in the first round at the time of the draft. But yeah so much for a "safe, great character" pick. Didn't he miss a whole bunch of games the season after he was drafted because he was exhausted from the hockey lifestyle?
Yep. Fatigue.

And later:
"MacMillan was arrested on a DUI and driving without a driver's license charges while out of the line-up with back spasms in early January. The rookie forward was sent home by the Ducks for personal reasons only to return on loan to the injury ridden Abbottsford Heat for the last seven games of the AHL season."

I'm guessing that "fatigue" was a euphemism for constantly drunk.

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am i one of the only ones here who has no interest in weiss?

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I wouldn't read too much into it but we have scouts at the Panthers - Sabres game. So do several other teams though.
That's what the scouts do..they see games a lot.

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am i one of the only ones here who has no interest in weiss?
I think he is a good player and a good 2nd line C, but he will probably cost a lot more than I want the Ducks to give up for him.

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What do you guys reckon will happen if by the Trade Deadline we are in a Playoff spot but Getzlaf and Perry are unsigned?

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