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02-03-2013, 11:38 PM
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David Jones for Clowe

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02-04-2013, 04:36 AM
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We give you Mike Rupp (1 year left @ 1,5 M) , Steve Eminger (UFA - D depth guy signed for cheap) rights to Peter Ceresnak (big D prospect) and a third rounder in 2013 for Doug Murray, a 7th rounder in 2014 and Tim Kennedy/Bracken Kearns.
Deal goes down after Burns returns and is shown to be healthy.
Done?

You can also take out Eminger & Kennedy/Kearns if you please

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02-04-2013, 05:10 AM
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David Jones for Clowe
I feel that other teams would bid higher for Clowe. Also, I don't think the Sharks should take on Jones' contract.

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We give you Mike Rupp (1 year left @ 1,5 M) , Steve Eminger (UFA - D depth guy signed for cheap) rights to Peter Ceresnak (big D prospect) and a third rounder in 2013 for Doug Murray, a 7th rounder in 2014 and Tim Kennedy/Bracken Kearns.
Deal goes down after Burns returns and is shown to be healthy.
Done?

You can also take out Eminger & Kennedy/Kearns if you please
I don't see the Sharks moving Murray for Rupp. Defensive forwards are not the problem. The biggest issue in the bottom 6 is scoring, so they would probably looking for a more offensive forward. Also, the Sharks have 9 NHL defenseman currently and would not be looking for D or D prospects in return. Kearns and Kennedy are important for Worcester, so I don't think they'd be moved. Also, 7th>>3rd

I just don't see a deal between the two unless New York was willing to move Hagelin, though I understand why they won't.

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02-04-2013, 05:32 AM
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Gagner, MPS and a third rounder for Clowe and Murray?
or Gagner straight up for Clowe?
Gagner isn't speedy, but could fill the gap left by Clowe on the second line and MPS could be great on a team like SJ lacking fast guys.

Oilers would love a gritty guy like Clowe on the second line

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Gagner, MPS and a third rounder for Clowe and Murray?
or Gagner straight up for Clowe?
Gagner isn't speedy, but could fill the gap left by Clowe on the second line and MPS could be great on a team like SJ lacking fast guys.

Oilers would love a gritty guy like Clowe on the second line
Gagner straight up for Clowe?

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Clowe and Murray is exactly what the Oilers need, add some size and grit.

Petry and Gagner for Clowe and Murray. No second from the Sharks

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Seems San Jose Sharks scout John Ferguson Jr., the former Maple Leafs general manager, is attending his second straight Rangers game. Could mean nothing. Could mean something down the road.
http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/r...lightning_2_2/

Could mean something, could also mean absolutely nothing
Adding it here to enhance the intrigue and increase the speculation

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I doubt Clowe is being moved.

However, it is very likely that the Sharks are shopping a D man.

Boyle, Burns, Vlasic, and Stuart arent going anywhere. Despite a few good games it's likely that Irwin is sent back to the AHL to log some big minutes.

That leaves Demers, Braun, Murray, and Petrecki. When Burns gets activated one of them has to go.

The Sharks need wingers who can finish. Trading a young PMD (Demers or Braun) for a young NHL sniper makes the most sense to me. I don't think Murray or Petrecki will bring back the kind of player we need. Petrecki for a prospect or pick is also a way to go.

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I still think MacArthur for Clowe would of been a good deal for both teams. Both upcoming UFA and it helps SJS and TOR as we want to get boigger on the wings and MacA brings more speed to your line up.


Not 100% on Murray. How is his defensive game? Does he play with an edge by willing to hit people as Leafs sorely lack a guy who can play like that.

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Clowe seems to be a guy whose value is extremely hard to guage, more than most players IMO. Some say it's high, pointing out his toughness and tenacity. Others say it's low, because he is slow and lacks good playoff success/numbers.

I have no idea what it would take to get him on the Bruins - any ideas?

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Clowe and Murray is exactly what the Oilers need, add some size and grit.

Petry and Gagner for Clowe and Murray. No second from the Sharks
No way, that's insane. The Oilers trade their #2C who is playing very well this season with no fallback plan if he is traded and a top 4 defenseman who is improving every year for Clowe and Murray each of whom have lost a few steps. Absolutely no from the Oilers.
I wouldn't mind having Clowe and Murray on the team but not at the expense of those players. Think more along the lines of Paajarvi and Hemsky, players the Oilers can afford to part with who have some value. Not sure if the Sharks would be interested, i would think Paajarvi might interest them because he's young, fast and non-expensive.

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Others say it's low, because he is slow and lacks good playoff success/numbers.
He's definitely slow, but his playoff numbers are great.

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I still think MacArthur for Clowe would of been a good deal for both teams. Both upcoming UFA and it helps SJS and TOR as we want to get boigger on the wings and MacA brings more speed to your line up.


Not 100% on Murray. How is his defensive game? Does he play with an edge by willing to hit people as Leafs sorely lack a guy who can play like that.
Murray is very slow and often gets physical. Knocks pretty much everybody off the puck, so he is very good in that department, but his slow game is not good on the west coast. Would probably work better in the East. Usually ends up top 20 in hits.

Clowe for MacArthur could work. Don't need Gunnarson though.

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Clowe and Murray is exactly what the Oilers need, add some size and grit.

Petry and Gagner for Clowe and Murray. No second from the Sharks
That would be a bad trade for the Oilers. I've probably have to take it as a Sharks fan even though it literally fills no needs for us (we're insanely deep in centers and right-handed defensemen). I'm really high on Petry, so there's that.

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Murray is very slow and often gets physical. Knocks pretty much everybody off the puck, so he is very good in that department, but his slow game is not good on the west coast. Would probably work better in the East. Usually ends up top 20 in hits.

Clowe for MacArthur could work. Don't need Gunnarson though.
MacArthur is not an upgrade on Clowe. Doesn't make sense.

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I feel that other teams would bid higher for Clowe. Also, I don't think the Sharks should take on Jones' contract.



I don't see the Sharks moving Murray for Rupp. Defensive forwards are not the problem. The biggest issue in the bottom 6 is scoring, so they would probably looking for a more offensive forward. Also, the Sharks have 9 NHL defenseman currently and would not be looking for D or D prospects in return. Kearns and Kennedy are important for Worcester, so I don't think they'd be moved. Also, 7th>>3rd

I just don't see a deal between the two unless New York was willing to move Hagelin, though I understand why they won't.
You canīt have him cuz
Minny took him

So we say - Floridas 3rd in 2013 plus a prospect for Murray?
We could (cap?) throw in one of Eminger, Gilroy or Bickel as well

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Clowe+Murray+1st <-> Setoguchi+Mitchell+2nd?

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Clowe+Murray+1st <-> Setoguchi+Mitchell+2nd?
Bad. Sharks could have resigned Mitchell in the offseason, why would we trade for him now?

I see no need for the exchange of high draft picks.

How about Murray and a 3rd or 4th for Seto.

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Clowe+Murray for Stempniak+Comeau+Sarich

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Clowe+Murray for Stempniak+Comeau+Sarich
Sharks could use Stempniak ,but not for that package. Sharks need to clear a roster space, not add.

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No thanks. Knight is in the ECHL, and Caron isn't exactly doing great. Why should the Sharks trade a Top-6 forward and a 4-5 defenseman for 2 prospects they can't really use and a 4th? I think they can do better.

Besides, how are the Bruins going to fit in that much cap hit?

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Clowe, if San Jose were to move him, would garner a pretty solid return.

Sure, he may be slow, but he's a definite tough guy, even reaching heavy weight range who can play top 6 minutes, or the very least top 9 minutes.

If the habs could get him signed for at least 3 years, I'd have no problem dealing Eller and a 1st for him. Granted, the 1st isn't a high one.

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Hemsky, MPS, Lander for Clowe, Murray, 2nd?
Simplifying this might be an idea, Clowe for Hemsky as a premises of a deal is a decent start.

SJ gets a speedy forward that could have good chemistry with Havlat. Clowe gives the the Oil a big talented forward for the second line

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Clowe, if San Jose were to move him, would garner a pretty solid return.

Sure, he may be slow, but he's a definite tough guy, even reaching heavy weight range who can play top 6 minutes, or the very least top 9 minutes.

If the habs could get him signed for at least 3 years, I'd have no problem dealing Eller and a 1st for him. Granted, the 1st isn't a high one.
I'd be interested in the first, I'm sure some kind of top-10 protection would be in order (although personally I think the Habs are a playoff team). Gomez has been playing well in the odd shifts he takes with Couture and Havlat (his two assists have both come in this capacity), so he could be our full-time #2LW, and then Eller is a great young #3C.

I like it.

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Simplifying this might be an idea, Clowe for Hemsky as a premises of a deal is a decent start.

SJ gets a speedy forward that could have good chemistry with Havlat. Clowe gives the the Oil a big talented forward for the second line
This has been talked about several times, but the bottom line is that we can't afford Hemsky past this year. If their contracts were the same, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

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Simplifying this might be an idea, Clowe for Hemsky as a premises of a deal is a decent start.

SJ gets a speedy forward that could have good chemistry with Havlat. Clowe gives the the Oil a big talented forward for the second line
Too much salary coming back to the Sharks. The Sharks have the 4th least amount of cap space and swapping Clowe for Hemsky would leave them less than $1 million in cap space. If they had an injury that didn't put someone on LTIR they would have issues bringing up guys from the AHL, or making any moves to add other salary.

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