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If you were a GM, would you spend No1 overall pick for a russian prospect?

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02-04-2013, 01:34 PM
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Someone on Malkin's or Ovechkin's level would want to test themselves against the best in the world. Someone a little lower down might want to take the money and comfort, a la Radulov. I would make the pick no questions asked.

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02-04-2013, 01:37 PM
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02-04-2013, 01:37 PM
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The KHL only backed off it's vow to allow players with NHL contracts, to play in the KHL, after stars like Malkin/Ovie/Kovachuk rejected their offers and came back to the NHL.
That is false. KHL didn't offer any contracts to the above mentioned players. One of the reasons is that they didn't wanna piss off the NHL before Sochi Olympics

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02-04-2013, 01:41 PM
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Coming from a Leafs fans I'll consider that a compliment.

BTW, Seguin, Hamilton and Rask looked great the other night!
Leafs fans = Leafs GM.

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I don't think Columbus would. Howson wasn't going to take Yakupov or Grigorenko according to the Dispatch right before the draft. If Murray was taken 1st overall, Howson was going to trade down and pick up a North American defenseman or someone like Forsberg, maybe Galchenyuk.


http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/...ed-murray.html
And we all know how great a GM Howson is...

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02-04-2013, 01:44 PM
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And we all know how great a GM Howson is...
I think it would have been the right move. Sure take BPA, but make sure that player will be here and producing for the foreseeable future.

Columbus has 4 Russian players but is rightfully scared of picking another Zherdev or Filatov.

There's obviously a bias for North American players. The KHL doesn't help that bias when it tries to secure talent for itself by extending offers to guys like Ovechkin and Kovalchuk. Unlike with the SEL or FEL which is seen largely as leagues that top NHL talents go to after they retire from the NHL, the KHL is an active competitor with the NHL. That fact can't be overlooked. If the KHL didn't try to keep top talent from coming over to the NHL, then I don't think there would be any issue (even if it is minor).

Not to say that the KHL shouldn't try to foster Russian talent within its own league. Just that it's one more thing to think about. When you have a really high draft pick, the less you have to think/worry about with a player the better. When you get down to #15 + you can begin to take chances on guys like Kuznetsov.


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02-04-2013, 01:44 PM
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Assuming I've interviewed him and get the feeling he may or may not come over I'd trade down or select the next best player.

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02-04-2013, 01:47 PM
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I would ice a team full of Russians and probably win the Cup rather easily. Truly shocked no team has attempted this considering how discounted they've become due to the "Russian Factor" BS.
it wouldnt be a factor if it dint hold true. GMs dont want to take the risk on some of those players. I dont think its that irrational.

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02-04-2013, 01:50 PM
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Nail Yakupov (a Russian) was literally JUST drafted in the most recently held NHL Entry Draft
Your reading comprehension is terrible.

As for the topic, I'd rather have a Fedorov than a Malkin. So if it's a Malkin type, I'd trade down and pick up some extra assets and obtain a pick in the top 10 range.

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02-04-2013, 02:00 PM
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Who cares, would they spend or not. There will always be the smartest amongst them. And then he'll get Tarasenko when others get Nino or McIlrath...

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Jeez, guys, can you stop with these BS assumptions that KHL offered enormous contracts to the top Russian NHLers. It's all not true, they wouldn't risk right before Sochi

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02-04-2013, 02:09 PM
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it wouldnt be a factor if it dint hold true. GMs dont want to take the risk on some of those players. I dont think its that irrational.
A room full of GM's and "experts" can still be wrong about players. We see great platers slip through the cracks all the time (Martin St. Louis immediately comes to mind over size concerns).

I would gladly ice a team with Tarasenko, Semin, and guys like Carter & Richards who are apparently problem players.

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02-04-2013, 02:13 PM
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I don't think Columbus would. Howson wasn't going to take Yakupov or Grigorenko according to the Dispatch right before the draft. If Murray was taken 1st overall, Howson was going to trade down and pick up a North American defenseman or someone like Forsberg, maybe Galchenyuk.
Honestly, I think that was legit BPA consideration, rather than anti-Russian fear.

(Anti-KHL fear, OTOH...)

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I think it would have been the right move. Sure take BPA, but make sure that player will be here and producing for the foreseeable future.

Columbus has 4 Russian players but is rightfully scared of picking another Zherdev or Filatov.

There's obviously a bias for North American players. The KHL doesn't help that bias when it tries to secure talent for itself by extending offers to guys like Ovechkin and Kovalchuk. Unlike with the SEL or FEL which is seen largely as leagues that top NHL talents go to after they retire from the NHL, the KHL is an active competitor with the NHL. That fact can't be overlooked. If the KHL didn't try to keep top talent from coming over to the NHL, then I don't think there would be any issue (even if it is minor).

Not to say that the KHL shouldn't try to foster Russian talent within its own league. Just that it's one more thing to think about. When you have a really high draft pick, the less you have to think/worry about with a player the better. When you get down to #15 + you can begin to take chances on guys like Kuznetsov.
It's understandable based on the history of the CBJ I suppose. I still don't agree it's necessarily a good move. If you miss out on the chance of drafting a Russian like Malkin, that will be a move you look back on and regret big time.

And my dig at Howson shouldn't be taken too seriously, since Tambellini is the GM of my team.

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02-04-2013, 02:31 PM
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That is false. KHL didn't offer any contracts to the above mentioned players. One of the reasons is that they didn't wanna piss off the NHL before Sochi Olympics
Bob McKenzie and Larry Brooks say otherwise.

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In each and every draft, you draft BEST PICK AVAILABLE.

I ignore nationality, my organizational strengths/weaknesses..etc and draft the best player based on their size, skill, and hockey acumen. If I deem a Russian player to be the best player in any given draft, I would draft them.

Contrary to popular belief, Russians are human beings too. Getting drafted #1 overall in an NHL Entry Draft is an outstanding achievement, even for a Russian. Someone tell me how many players have been drafted 1st overall and decided not to play in the NHL.. I think your list will look a lot like this:





nothing.
Don't draft the BPA because he deserves the personal achievement. If a Russian, or a Swede, or any European was miles better then any North American, and playing junior hockey in Europe, and it's doubtful that they will ever play on your team if you draft them, why draft them? Wasting a top pick on a maybe?

I'm a firm believer in drafting the BPA, nevermind nationality or teams needs. But never draft someone if there is a good chance they'll never play for you.

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Someone on Malkin's or Ovechkin's level would want to test themselves against the best in the world. Someone a little lower down might want to take the money and comfort, a la Radulov. I would make the pick no questions asked.
I don't believe any of the youngsters in the 2013 draft, project to be at Malkin or Ovie's level.

Valery Nichushkin has signed a 3 yr deal with a KHL team. I haven't read anything about an out clause for the NHL.

If he's the BPA and your team is drafting top 10, do you use your pick on him, knowing he'll be in the KHL for at least 2 yrs ( possibly longer if he's successful and a deep pocketed KHL team, makes a push for him) ?

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Yes in a heartbeat no questions asked if I believed he was the BPA.

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It's understandable based on the history of the CBJ I suppose. I still don't agree it's necessarily a good move. If you miss out on the chance of drafting a Russian like Malkin, that will be a move you look back on and regret big time.

And my dig at Howson shouldn't be taken too seriously, since Tambellini is the GM of my team.
I agree. I think St. Louis is extremely happy so many teams passed on Tarasenko.

That said, it is what it is. Even the "can't miss" Russians have an element of risk that others don't have. People can try to deny it, but players like Filatov who in the pre-draft interviews profess their undying commitment to North American hockey and then go back to the KHL anyways taint it. One could argue Columbus handled him poorly, but that was Hitchcock, the same guy who is currently handling Tarasenko.

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If they're not coming over for a while, it would be more difficult, but I'd still do it. That is, unless there's a North American player/European player with a desire to come over soon with similar skill.

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Your reading comprehension is terrible.

As for the topic, I'd rather have a Fedorov than a Malkin. So if it's a Malkin type, I'd trade down and pick up some extra assets and obtain a pick in the top 10 range.
You would turn down an MVP-calibre player, regardless of KHL situation, just because you prefer another playing style which isnt necessarily available? What?

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I don't think Columbus would. Howson wasn't going to take Yakupov or Grigorenko according to the Dispatch right before the draft. If Murray was taken 1st overall, Howson was going to trade down and pick up a North American defenseman or someone like Forsberg, maybe Galchenyuk.


http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/...ed-murray.html
Because Scott Howson and the Columbus Blue Jackets have such a great reputation for making the right picks and developing young players right?

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I'd draft a whole team of Russians if they were the best.

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