HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Montreal Canadiens
Notices

Michel Therrien

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
02-03-2013, 11:29 PM
  #151
1UP
Registered User
 
1UP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Québec
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,910
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by rockjngo View Post
really happy with boullion this year. what we needed. our transitional game is really good, getting the puck out of our zone.
Well, here's the deal with Bouillon. Our last memory of him was the Dandouillon, before he left for Nashville, where he became an immensely important part of their D corps. I think it says 1 thing - Dandenault was very, VERY bad at defense. It would be like taking the time Brisebois was asked to play in a duo with Christian Laflamme and use that as the basis for his whole career...

Moreover, Therrien knows the guy. He knows what he can, and can't do - and putting players in situations they can thrive in is the mark of a great coach.

So far, Therrien seems to be coaching well in games, too. Line changes are fairly smart, PP and PK choices are overall sound as well. I'm impressed.

You all remember the threads about Guy Boucher, right? A lot of people said, let him go. He'll come back to the Habs after learning a lot, and then he'll be a monstrously good coach. Well, that's what happened with Therrien. Yes, his last year with Pittsburg was bad. When he left Montréal, he didn't leave us with a good memory either. But it seems he learned from it, and now he's doing a lot of things right. He's a fairly young coach, he's not even 50 yet.

Now, we'll see how much of a shelf life he gets. Maybe after he pushed the button too hard, it'll be a good time to bring Boucher back, with his much different style. But for now tough love is what this squad needed.

1UP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-03-2013, 11:54 PM
  #152
Habblues
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Sec 9 Fredericton NB
Country: Canada
Posts: 806
vCash: 500
MT continues to impress me......I was hoping to see the Kid line a little more during the first half of sundays game....AND I`ve been soo impressed with our 4th line, I just can`t understand why that line (especially Armstrong) doesn`t get more playing time. Armstrong has a nice shot, goes to the net really well and is responsible D wise.....Come on MT give Colby a chance...He has the ability to get us some dirty goals like we needed last game....


Last edited by Habblues: 02-04-2013 at 12:02 AM.
Habblues is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-04-2013, 05:26 AM
  #153
Craig71
Registered User
 
Craig71's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,805
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by denidd View Post
mt with his team concept looks good this season.

I just worry how fast a tough approach like his with players can backfire after a losing streak?
29 other coaches are in the same boat.

Craig71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-04-2013, 08:24 AM
  #154
Habsterix*
@Habsterix
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,475
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blind Gardien View Post
He is obviously getting it done. We never get to see how much the assistant/associate coaches matter. But I have to think that good ones working in good relationships with the head make some difference too. Gallant and Daigneault seem sharp in their interviews, anyway.
And their hiring is Therrien's decision, ultimately.

Beyond the actual record, I'm impressed with the change in the system mostly. I love aggressive hockey and the Habs have the tools to have a relentless forecheck. They didn't use it under Martin.

Habsterix* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-04-2013, 08:36 AM
  #155
RC51
Registered User
 
RC51's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,642
vCash: 500
Just to add some PK to all this. Have you noticed how PK has calmed down his game. sure he moves the puck up but he has passed it up to a forward EVER TIME. You can tell he has had a talk with the coaches. ( don't just take off with the puck because your forwards don't know what you are doing. Until you learn the system just stay back a bit. What is impressing me is that PK is doing exactly what he has been asked to do with no comments. GOOD. Nobody is asking PK to change, just do your fancy stuff when the COACH turned you loose to do so, he will, when he considered it's time for a big push. With more practice time PK will develop a signal to tell his mates what's coming. One mate to drop back to cover for PK while 2 other join his big rush for support.
I remember last year, every time PK made a big charge up the ice he ended up in the zone with NO support as all 4 mates dropped back to cover. Ok it sure was obvious Pk needed practice a well supported charge and not an independent charge alone.

RC51 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-04-2013, 08:43 AM
  #156
Erik Estrada
One Country United!
 
Erik Estrada's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Land of the Habs
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,688
vCash: 500
A huge positive change to the club with MT.

The ultra-passive system of the last few years...
-Sucked the life out of the Bell Center
-Lowered players' morale
-Always being on the defensive, overburdened our players physically which caused an inordinate number of injuries
-The system was not adapted to our pint-sized lineup
-Required a goalie in top form to have some measure of success
-Shuned all offensive creativity and imagination
-Prioritized skilless vets who knew their role and followed the system over better players.

The most painful anti-hockey aspect of all was watching the Habs protect a 2 goal deficit in the third period, just hoping a couple of fluke counter-attacks might get us back in so we can make it to overtime. Sytem Grade: F.

Erik Estrada is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-04-2013, 09:20 AM
  #157
doc lafleur
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 220
vCash: 500
MT has done a fine job with the rest of the coaching staff... I think a year of watching this team as really help him design a system that would make them succeed.:yo

doc lafleur is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-04-2013, 09:25 AM
  #158
HABsurde
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,395
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sorinth View Post
If you're Kaberle how are you supposed to react to hearing that. Eller and Subban's descriptions aren't so great either.
I'm sure Tomas is never missing TLMEP on sunday night and in french, profondeur doesnt mean much. And Eller besoin d'encadrement is probably right and Subban being a challenge is also true, it's not insulting, since PK is Therrin 'Etalon' he needs to tame him, which is a challenge.... it's all good....

HABsurde is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-04-2013, 09:53 AM
  #159
habs03
Subban #Thoroughbred
 
habs03's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 4,650
vCash: 500
I still wanna see how he reacts in big games, ex vs teams like Boston when things might get out of hand.

One thing I liked yesterday was that he had to put Eller on the 4th line because Patches was back, and that must have been tough for Eller since he was coming off a 3 point game, but what I liked was he put Eller on the PP with the Gally's.

habs03 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-04-2013, 10:23 AM
  #160
Jigger77
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,940
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RC51 View Post
Just to add some PK to all this. Have you noticed how PK has calmed down his game. sure he moves the puck up but he has passed it up to a forward EVER TIME. You can tell he has had a talk with the coaches. ( don't just take off with the puck because your forwards don't know what you are doing. Until you learn the system just stay back a bit. What is impressing me is that PK is doing exactly what he has been asked to do with no comments. GOOD. Nobody is asking PK to change, just do your fancy stuff when the COACH turned you loose to do so, he will, when he considered it's time for a big push. With more practice time PK will develop a signal to tell his mates what's coming. One mate to drop back to cover for PK while 2 other join his big rush for support.
I remember last year, every time PK made a big charge up the ice he ended up in the zone with NO support as all 4 mates dropped back to cover. Ok it sure was obvious Pk needed practice a well supported charge and not an independent charge alone.
I know exactly what you mean and I am also positive they told him to give up the one-man rushes up the ice. And for good reason. You have to move the puck up to forwards already in motion at the blue line to take advantage of the speed they pick up in the neutral zone. If the forwards have to stop and wait at the blue line every time PK rushes the puck in there is zero speed gaining the zone and it's easy to defend against.

Jigger77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-04-2013, 10:37 AM
  #161
Sorinth
Registered User
 
Sorinth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 2,293
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HABsurde View Post
I'm sure Tomas is never missing TLMEP on sunday night and in french, profondeur doesnt mean much. And Eller besoin d'encadrement is probably right and Subban being a challenge is also true, it's not insulting, since PK is Therrin 'Etalon' he needs to tame him, which is a challenge.... it's all good....
Just because Kaberle doesn't watch it, doesn't mean he won't hear about it. And that's beside the point, is it really hard to say something positive about a guy even if he is just depth. It's expected that he says nice things in that type of question, the fact that he didn't is troubling to me since he saying it to the media and not just behind closed doors.

Sorinth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-04-2013, 10:39 AM
  #162
cphabs
It complels you!
 
cphabs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: WNY
Country: United States
Posts: 727
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Erik Estrada View Post
A huge positive change to the club with MT.

The ultra-passive system of the last few years...
-Sucked the life out of the Bell Center
-Lowered players' morale
-Always being on the defensive, overburdened our players physically which caused an inordinate number of injuries
-The system was not adapted to our pint-sized lineup
-Required a goalie in top form to have some measure of success
-Shuned all offensive creativity and imagination
-Prioritized skilless vets who knew their role and followed the system over better players.

The most painful anti-hockey aspect of all was watching the Habs protect a 2 goal deficit in the third period, just hoping a couple of fluke counter-attacks might get us back in so we can make it to overtime. Sytem Grade: F.
Thank you

cphabs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-04-2013, 04:57 PM
  #163
Hackett
HF Needs Feeny
 
Hackett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Country: Canada
Posts: 15,312
vCash: 500
It seems like coaches get too much credit when the team is winning and too much blame when the team loses.

This team has faced littler adversity so far this year. Its really tough for us on the outside to judge exactly how well he is doing.

I'm just enjoying the ride and hoping it continues to be relatively smooth

Hackett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-04-2013, 05:00 PM
  #164
Gary320
Moderator
 
Gary320's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 12,790
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hackett View Post
It seems like coaches get too much credit when the team is winning and too much blame when the team loses.

This team has faced littler adversity so far this year. Its really tough for us on the outside to judge exactly how well he is doing.

I'm just enjoying the ride and hoping it continues to be relatively smooth
I somewhat agreed.
Clearly, the team philosophy has changed, you can see this in so many ways. If that is because of the coach or managment, we don't really know as fans from the outside. So far, there has been a big difference in the way they play, compared to last year. So I think that's a contribution from the Coach.

The real test is when they start losing, that's when we will get an idea of how the coach reacts, emotionally and strategically

Gary320 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-04-2013, 05:30 PM
  #165
SouthernHab
Registered User
 
SouthernHab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: USA
Country: United States
Posts: 9,713
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hackett View Post
It seems like coaches get too much credit when the team is winning and too much blame when the team loses.

This team has faced littler adversity so far this year. Its really tough for us on the outside to judge exactly how well he is doing.

I'm just enjoying the ride and hoping it continues to be relatively smooth
Honest questions. Do you notice a different style of offense this year?

Do you notice a different style of defense this year?

Do you notice any difference with regard to forechecking?

Or is it the same as last year and we are just getting some lucky breaks?

SouthernHab is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-04-2013, 05:36 PM
  #166
disturbedraven
Lets rock
 
disturbedraven's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Peterborough
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,051
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthernHab View Post
Honest questions. Do you notice a different style of offense this year?

Do you notice a different style of defense this year?

Do you notice any difference with regard to forechecking?

Or is it the same as last year and we are just getting some lucky breaks?
If someone doesn't see this then obviously they do not understand the game as much as they think they do.

disturbedraven is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-04-2013, 07:24 PM
  #167
Roulin
Registered User
 
Roulin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Montreal
Posts: 4,153
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthernHab View Post
Honest questions. Do you notice a different style of offense this year?

Do you notice a different style of defense this year?

Do you notice any difference with regard to forechecking?

Or is it the same as last year and we are just getting some lucky breaks?
The puck is definitely moving in the right direction, but Martin never had a defence this good and this healthy. The team looks great, but I think we need more time to understand Therrien's impact.

Roulin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-04-2013, 07:32 PM
  #168
Hannibal
Brandon Prust FTW
 
Hannibal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 4,538
vCash: 500
Michel Therrien was on Tout le monde en parle yesterday. Guy A Lepage ask him Habs players name and MT needed to answer with one or two word to resume the player. Here are those i remember:

Price: Maturity
Gionta: Leader
Plekanec: Intelligence
Subban: Challenge
Prust: True warrior
Bouillon: Heart and soul
Eller: "Besoin d'encadrement"
Galchenyuk: The futur
Pacioretty: Powerful
Desharnais: Important player
Kaberle: MT started to laugh and answered "Depth"
Diaz: Suprise
Markov: General

I thought it was quite interesting.

Hannibal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-04-2013, 07:47 PM
  #169
EveryDay
Registered User
 
EveryDay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Country: Germany
Posts: 4,970
vCash: 500
Continue ton bon travail MIKE!!!!!

EveryDay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-04-2013, 08:15 PM
  #170
Habsterix*
@Habsterix
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,475
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roulin View Post
The puck is definitely moving in the right direction, but Martin never had a defence this good and this healthy. The team looks great, but I think we need more time to understand Therrien's impact.
So you're saying that Martin with better defense could have used his smothering system better to keep more pucks out of our net. Grrrreat!

I so don't miss that coach.

Habsterix* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-04-2013, 08:18 PM
  #171
pine
Registered User
 
pine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Montréal
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,891
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannibal View Post
Michel Therrien was on Tout le monde en parle yesterday. Guy A Lepage ask him Habs players name and MT needed to answer with one or two word to resume the player. Here are those i remember:

Price: Maturity
Gionta: Leader
Plekanec: Intelligence
Subban: Challenge
Prust: True warrior
Bouillon: Heart and soul
Eller: "Besoin d'encadrement"
Galchenyuk: The futur
Pacioretty: Powerful
Desharnais: Important player
Kaberle: MT started to laugh and answered "Depth"
Diaz: Suprise
Markov: General

I thought it was quite interesting.
Easy to see what he thinks about Subban and Eller vs the rest.

pine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-04-2013, 08:24 PM
  #172
Roulin
Registered User
 
Roulin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Montreal
Posts: 4,153
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Habsterix View Post
So you're saying that Martin with better defense could have used his smothering system better to keep more pucks out of our net. Grrrreat!

I so don't miss that coach.
Not that keeping more pucks out of our net is a bad thing, but I'm also saying that he could've used a healthy Markov to put a lot more pucks in the opposition's net.

Roulin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-04-2013, 08:30 PM
  #173
DekeLikeYouMeanIt
Ohhhh you mad
 
DekeLikeYouMeanIt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: In space..with goats
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,270
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pine View Post
Easy to see what he thinks about Subban and Eller vs the rest.
It's fair to say Eller could use some guidance to truly find a niche in the roster if Gally is in his usual spot.

DekeLikeYouMeanIt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-04-2013, 08:32 PM
  #174
Et le But
Moderator
 
Et le But's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: New York
Country: Argentina
Posts: 17,625
vCash: 500
Surprised he didn't say for Eller whatever is French for "trade fodder"

Et le But is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-04-2013, 08:33 PM
  #175
Ohashi_Jouzu
Registered User
 
Ohashi_Jouzu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Halifax
Country: Japan
Posts: 21,558
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roulin View Post
The puck is definitely moving in the right direction, but Martin never had a defence this good and this healthy. The team looks great, but I think we need more time to understand Therrien's impact.
I think that's very true. See, Therrien is a known players' coach. After last year, and particularly with the young guys that have earned NHL spots this year, I think the players needed someone more likely (than Martin at least, lol) to make the guys feel better about themselves as they start the turnaround process. Having a guy like Therrien installed as coach, who obviously also has great passion for the city/club, and is known to be supportive and conscientious of his players, made sense, but it's great to also see performance leading to results so quickly.

Thing is, I don't think it's the initial impact that Therrien detractors have been commenting on or worrying about since day one. It seems like the concern is more along the lines of exactly how long he's going to be able to "keep them", as they say, or when he might eventually "lose them", or whatever. I'll tell you, though... I'm of the belief that it's just a matter of the players you decide to add to the fold, and I have confidence that Bergevin is a guy who will surround Therrien with the kind of guys he needs. Step one seems so far, so good. It's just a matter of how well that translates into results - not just this year, but every year under Therrien's guidance and Bergevin's management.

Ohashi_Jouzu is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:19 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.