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02-04-2013, 05:40 PM
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"Boy," said Heat head coach Erik Spoelstra, shaking his head and searching for the words to describe how Gay changed the team. "I'll just tell you what: they did a nice job. They've done a nice job with this team and they've built in an identity ... They put a tremendous amount of pressure on you with that athleticism. You don't face a lot of teams that can match us athletically and arguably beat us at times at certain positions."

"As Rudy gets more comfortable and as they get more comfortable with him as a player, man," Wade said. "Rudy is a very good player. He's a guy who can get his shot off at any point. He does a good job of mixing it up inside-outside and they're getting even more athletic. This team right here is one of those teams that's going to continue to get better. Especially if they get their confidence going in the second half of the season. It'll be tough for the next time we play them. We'll have to come with our hard hats again."

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"Boy," said Heat head coach Erik Spoelstra, shaking his head and searching for the words to describe how Gay changed the team. "I'll just tell you what: they did a nice job. They've done a nice job with this team and they've built in an identity ... They put a tremendous amount of pressure on you with that athleticism. You don't face a lot of teams that can match us athletically and arguably beat us at times at certain positions."

"As Rudy gets more comfortable and as they get more comfortable with him as a player, man," Wade said. "Rudy is a very good player. He's a guy who can get his shot off at any point. He does a good job of mixing it up inside-outside and they're getting even more athletic. This team right here is one of those teams that's going to continue to get better. Especially if they get their confidence going in the second half of the season. It'll be tough for the next time we play them. We'll have to come with our hard hats again."
meh. As an Oilers fan I've read quotes like that for the last 3 years. After the Canucks beat the Oilers the Sedins would compliment the young guns and how good they'll be.

The Nucks weren't congratulating the Kings or Hawks like that. Once your opponent is annoyed of you and dislikes you is when you take it as a compliment. Bet Dwade isn't saying that stuff about the Pacers or knicks.


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meh. As an Oilers fan I've read quotes like that for the last 3 years. After the Canucks beat the Oilers the Sedins would compliment the young guns and how good they'll be.

The Nucks weren't congratulating the Kings or Hawks like that. Once you're opponent is annoyed of you and dislikes you is when you take it as a compliment. Bet Dwade isn't saying that stuff about the Pacers or Heat.
Pretty much. We're nobodies to them, they're just tossing us a bone.

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Amir is at the Leafs game sporting a Leafs jersey. Not sure what name/number

Edit: Looked like a #15 with a "C". Got his own jersey looks like.


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Amir is at the Leafs game sporting a Leafs jersey. Not sure what name/number

Edit: Looked like a #15 with a "C". Got his own jersey looks like.
Amir seems to love his Toronto sports. He's usually the most geared up guy at Blue Jays games too.

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Amir was shown today that the refs ---- with us even more than them!

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Purely for curiosity...

How many other SF's out there would you take OVER Rudy Gay? There's the obvious two...James and Durant...but beyond that who would you prefer over Gay, if any? I guess the guys to consider are Deng, Kidd-Gilchrist, Anthony, George, Iguodala, Batum, Leonard.


For me, I think the discussion needs to happen twice....once in a vacuum where only the player abilities matter, and secondly considering ALL things like potential, contract status, age, etc. In a vacuum, Anthony is the only other SF that is more valuable to me...even though I'm probably biased against him. With ALL things considered though, I'd be tempted to go with Batum's long-term discount contract, or Kidd-Gilchrist's longterm rookie contract.

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Purely for curiosity...

How many other SF's out there would you take OVER Rudy Gay? There's the obvious two...James and Durant...but beyond that who would you prefer over Gay, if any? I guess the guys to consider are Deng, Kidd-Gilchrist, Anthony, George, Iguodala, Batum, Leonard.


For me, I think the discussion needs to happen twice....once in a vacuum where only the player abilities matter, and secondly considering ALL things like potential, contract status, age, etc. In a vacuum, Anthony is the only other SF that is more valuable to me...even though I'm probably biased against him. With ALL things considered though, I'd be tempted to go with Batum's long-term discount contract, or Kidd-Gilchrist's longterm rookie contract.
1) Lebron/Durant
2) Lebron/Durant

3) Anthony

4) Paul Pierce
5) Rudy Gay (will pass Pierce soon, if not this year)
6) Andre Iguodala
7) Luol Deng
8) Gerald Wallace
9) Danillo Galinarri
10) Nicholas Batum

HM: Shawn Marion, Danny Granger (probably #6 when healthy), Kidd-Gilchrist (future), Chandler Parsons

I didn't count Josh Smith because I consider him more of a PF and Paul George is more of a Derozan type swingman that a pure SF.

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1) Lebron/Durant
2) Lebron/Durant

3) Anthony

4) Paul Pierce
5) Rudy Gay (will pass Pierce soon, if not this year)
6) Andre Iguodala
7) Luol Deng
8) Gerald Wallace
9) Danillo Galinarri
10) Nicholas Batum

HM: Shawn Marion, Danny Granger (probably #6 when healthy), Kidd-Gilchrist (future), Chandler Parsons

I didn't count Josh Smith because I consider him more of a PF and Paul George is more of a Derozan type swingman that a pure SF.
I'd argue that Gay is above Pierce even now, but that "two branches of discussion" thing I mentioned sort of factors into it. If you disregard the age difference, they are much closer in value. But if you consider everything, Pierce's age bumps him down that list significantly.


Personally I'm not a big fan of either Wallace or Galinari, but I welcome you to convince me otherwise. Galinari in particular is a guy that I feel is simultaneously underrated and overrated. He's underrated by people that don't factor him into discussing good young players....but overrated by people that consider him an upcoming top-20-esque player. He's having a fantastic season though...that I won't deny. The Nuggets are really quite a good team.

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I'd argue that Gay is above Pierce even now, but that "two branches of discussion" thing I mentioned sort of factors into it. If you disregard the age difference, they are much closer in value. But if you consider everything, Pierce's age bumps him down that list significantly.


Personally I'm not a big fan of either Wallace or Galinari, but I welcome you to convince me otherwise. Galinari in particular is a guy that I feel is simultaneously underrated and overrated. He's underrated by people that don't factor him into discussing good young players....but overrated by people that consider him an upcoming top-20-esque player. He's having a fantastic season though...that I won't deny. The Nuggets are really quite a good team.
Yea I should have probably put a space after Deng, where I feel there is a dropoff. Galinari is good and is a top 10 SF IMO, but not a top 20 player. There just isn't many pure SFs when you think about it. A lot of teams have rotations with swingmen who play SG/SF but aren't really capable of playing SF regularly. Then you have teams like the Clippers and Lakers who don't have an elite SF, but are deep and rotate guys who are mediocre. Clippers have Caron Butler, Matt Barnes. Lakers have World Peace, Devin Ebanks.

I don't watch enough Pacers games to get a good enough handle on George's positon, but if he has become more of a pure SF than a swingman this year with Granger's injury, he is probably in my top 10 over Batum.

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Purely for curiosity...

How many other SF's out there would you take OVER Rudy Gay? There's the obvious two...James and Durant...but beyond that who would you prefer over Gay, if any? I guess the guys to consider are Deng, Kidd-Gilchrist, Anthony, George, Iguodala, Batum, Leonard.


For me, I think the discussion needs to happen twice....once in a vacuum where only the player abilities matter, and secondly considering ALL things like potential, contract status, age, etc. In a vacuum, Anthony is the only other SF that is more valuable to me...even though I'm probably biased against him. With ALL things considered though, I'd be tempted to go with Batum's long-term discount contract, or Kidd-Gilchrist's longterm rookie contract.
1. Lebron/Durant
2. Carmelo
3. Pierce
4. Deng
5. George
6. Batum
7. Gay
8. Gallo
9. Granger
10. Parsons

AI plays SG with Denver. I'd take Batum and George over Gay because they're younger and I like their overall games better (both elite defenders). Pierce will fall off soon but still is the 3rd best SF IMO.

If Gay improves his efficiency with us, I'd move him up the list.


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1. Lebron
2. Carmelo
3. Pierce
4. Deng
5. George
6. Batum
7. Gay
8. Gallo
9. Granger
10. Parsons

AI plays SG with Denver. I'd take Batum and George over Gay because they're younger and I like their overall games better (both elite defenders). Pierce will fall of soon but still is the 3rd best SF IMO.

If Gay improves his efficiency with us, I'd move him up the list.
Yea, Durant sucks.
Haha I assume your Lebron means "Lebron/Durant".

Interesting about Batum and George and even Deng above Gay. Are you considering their contract and age as part of your decision making? If so, then I understand it clearly because as far as "bang for the buck" goes, George/Batum/Deng are definitely delivering nicely on a much lesser contract than Gay.

As far as building your team around those guys though, I think all three of them benefit by having somebody else on their team to use as a "go-to" option before them. If Batum, for example, didn't have Aldridge to shoulder most of the pressure, would he be effective as a #1 option? What about Deng without Rose? I guess you could probably argue that George doesn't have anybody that is 'head-and-shoulders' above him offensively in Indiana, but he still has a talented crew to work with.

I guess it comes down to what you expect out of the player. If we still had Chris Bosh, I would argue that Deng or Batum would fit the Raptor's roster better than Gay. But considering the roster we DO have, Gay is probably the best choice after Durant/Lebron/Anthony.

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If The raps could unload somehow Bargnani and get a decent pf that can defend in return the raps will be considered a threat for the playoffs.

It really sucks that Valenciunas is hurt because right now the raps are in kid mode. He would have no pressure right now and would be posting good numbers just like Johnson is putting.

It sucks that they had to give Davis that was just coming along this year but you have to give to get. Also they will probably need a purely assist specialist for the next years.

Imagine if Rajan Rondo was the pg of the raps right now they would easily be a top 3 offense in the league plus Rondo is a great defender. They need someone like him at the pg i guess Vazquez is not available but he's the player that the raps would need. Maybe Jrue Holliday?

Or just get a player like Ridnour and split the minutes with Lowry.

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Pretty sure val has played the last 2 games no??

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Yea, Durant sucks.
Haha I assume your Lebron means "Lebron/Durant".

Interesting about Batum and George and even Deng above Gay. Are you considering their contract and age as part of your decision making? If so, then I understand it clearly because as far as "bang for the buck" goes, George/Batum/Deng are definitely delivering nicely on a much lesser contract than Gay.

As far as building your team around those guys though, I think all three of them benefit by having somebody else on their team to use as a "go-to" option before them. If Batum, for example, didn't have Aldridge to shoulder most of the pressure, would he be effective as a #1 option? What about Deng without Rose? I guess you could probably argue that George doesn't have anybody that is 'head-and-shoulders' above him offensively in Indiana, but he still has a talented crew to work with.

I guess it comes down to what you expect out of the player. If we still had Chris Bosh, I would argue that Deng or Batum would fit the Raptor's roster better than Gay. But considering the roster we DO have, Gay is probably the best choice after Durant/Lebron/Anthony.
Yes I meant Lebron/Durant . And I took contracts into consideration, which is why I had all three of Deng/George/Batum over Gay. You can make an argument about teammates, but Deng is doing great without Rose, and George has been Indy's best player all year long, Hibbert has had a bad year.

Gay usually is a top 5 SF, but there's a couple of real good young guys that have emerged this year along with Rudy's slight decline.

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If The raps could unload somehow Bargnani and get a decent pf that can defend in return the raps will be considered a threat for the playoffs.

It really sucks that Valenciunas is hurt because right now the raps are in kid mode. He would have no pressure right now and would be posting good numbers just like Johnson is putting.

It sucks that they had to give Davis that was just coming along this year but you have to give to get. Also they will probably need a purely assist specialist for the next years.

Imagine if Rajan Rondo was the pg of the raps right now they would easily be a top 3 offense in the league plus Rondo is a great defender. They need someone like him at the pg i guess Vazquez is not available but he's the player that the raps would need. Maybe Jrue Holliday?

Or just get a player like Ridnour and split the minutes with Lowry.
Holliday is untouchable. He's one of the best PG's in the East, if not the whole league. Be happy with Lowry and let's see what he can do with Gay as the main offensive option.


I'm happy with Valanciunas performance, and I have no problem with him coming off the bench in favor of Amir. Amir has worked hard and has really earned the minutes he's getting. Valanciunas has a higher ceiling than Amir, but I think people sometimes forget that Amir is a young man as well.

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Gay usually is a top 5 SF, but there's a couple of real good young guys that have emerged this year along with Rudy's slight decline.
Gay wasn't getting as many looks in Memphis that he's gotten since he's been here. I think we can expect Gay's volume numbers to improve in the second half of the season since he'll get more looks here as the #1 option. Obviously the efficiency is something that needs to improve as well though.

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I wanted to make this my signature on so many message boards but most don't support gifs in sigs. And this my avatar...


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Slightly OT but through 19 minutes so far Sam Dalembert has 33 points on 16-18 shooting has 2 assists and 11 rebounds 7 of which are offensive.

He is literally destroying the Nuggets. WTF?

Trade Bargnani for him ASAP!

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Slightly OT but through 19 minutes so far Sam Dalembert has 33 points on 16-18 shooting has 2 assists and 11 rebounds 7 of which are offensive.

He is literally destroying the Nuggets. WTF?

Trade Bargnani for him ASAP!
Sad thing is... I'd do it.

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Slightly OT but through 19 minutes so far Sam Dalembert has 33 points on 16-18 shooting has 2 assists and 11 rebounds 7 of which are offensive.

He is literally destroying the Nuggets. WTF?

Trade Bargnani for him ASAP!
What happened to Sammy, he was a good upcoming center a few years back and then seemed to have been traded a ton lately. Remember when he was our best player in FIBA play?

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