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02-04-2013, 03:31 PM
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Why has Calgary only played six games so far?

Dallas plays their 10th tonight.

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calgary outplayed every team they've played this year

kipper is horrible though
I think the Oilers just underplayed the flames.

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Seems like an accurate ranking. At least more accurate than most major media rankings.

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Colorado moves up 2 spots by beating the Flames and Oilers ... while losing Landeskog ..


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The Blues only 2 losses came on the back end a B2B games and on the road, while the home team was rested.

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The Blues only 2 losses came on the back end a B2B games and on the road, while the home team was rested.
A loss is a loss. It does not matter if it's on the end of a B2B or on the road.

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02-04-2013, 05:41 PM
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The Blues only 2 losses came on the back end a B2B games and on the road, while the home team was rested.
My local newspaper's sports section must not have had room for this asterisk under the standings.

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02-04-2013, 05:44 PM
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The Blues only 2 losses came on the back end a B2B games and on the road, while the home team was rested.
So? It's not like this means the Blues are worse than the teams above them.

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02-04-2013, 06:06 PM
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A different look...

My formula based Power Ranking..
ROW%, Goal Diff, Pt, Pt%, 5on5, ST, Sdiff, FO%.

EDIT: Modified it... - an error in the formula.

1 *SAN JOSE - 3.15
2 *TAMPA BAY - 4.05
3 *ST. LOUIS - 5.40
4 *MONTRÉAL - 5.45
5 *CHICAGO - 5.50
6 *BOSTON - 7.15
7 *PITTSBURGH - 7.30
8 *OTTAWA - 8.15
9 *ANAHEIM - 8.50
10 *NEW JERSEY - 12.00
11 *NY ISLANDERS - 13.10
12 *DETROIT - 15.65
13 *MINNESOTA - 16.00
14 *EDMONTON - 16.55
15 *VANCOUVER - 16.60
16 *TORONTO - 16.85

17 *COLORADO - 16.85
18 *PHOENIX - 17.00
19 *NY RANGERS - 17.95
20 *CAROLINA - 21.30
21 *NASHVILLE - 21.40
22 *WINNIPEG - 23.75
23 *BUFFALO - 24.60
24 *FLORIDA - 24.65
25 *DALLAS - 24.80
26 *PHILADELPHIA - 25.20
27 *LOS ANGELES - 25.95
28 *COLUMBUS - 26.60
29 *CALGARY - 28.20
30 *WASHINGTON - 29.95



Obviously the formula is extremely sensitive to a couple wins here and there with it only being 2 weeks in... Will try it again after another few weeks.

*before people complain, SDiff and FO% TOTAL account for about 9% of the formula.


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02-04-2013, 06:36 PM
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You obviously dont watch the Sabres, last week you did a decent job though.

Asking whats up with Miller when hes been our 2nd-3rd best player, without him we would be dead last. Its the Defense and coaching that sucks.

Also Vanek has 19 points in 8 games not 9, he missed a game.

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02-04-2013, 06:57 PM
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A different look...

My formula based Power Ranking..
ROW%, Goal Diff, Pt, Pt%, 5on5, ST, Sdiff, FO%.

*before people complain, SDiff and FO% TOTAL account for about 9% of the formula.
It looks pretty good, I'd like to see how it plays out over about double the current sample size. What are the weights you used, if you don't mind? Thanks!

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02-04-2013, 07:09 PM
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It looks pretty good, I'd like to see how it plays out over about double the current sample size. What are the weights you used, if you don't mind? Thanks!
20,20,20,20,10,10,5,5

The formula will be re-done when i add the "Last 10" category to make complete... waiting another couple weeks as games near 15-20ish..
Feel free to PM me weighing ideas... its in a spreadsheet... so easy to play with.

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02-04-2013, 07:28 PM
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20,20,20,20,10,10,5,5

The formula will be re-done when i add the "Last 10" category to make complete... waiting another couple weeks as games near 15-20ish..
Feel free to PM me weighing ideas... its in a spreadsheet... so easy to play with.
You cannot just give it arbitrary weightings and expect it to produce something reliable. Weightings need to be rooted in reality (ie normalized to some kind of median or average of something that has a logical and, often, physical meaning). Weighing stuff with arbitrary (and even, round) numbers does not make much logical sense does it? I won't tell you what to do with your time or how you should go about creating your personal ranking system but personally, I think an accurate "power ranking" would account for a lot more detail than yours does.

You should also not have different categories that are correlated unless you understand how they are correlated and account for it.

It's a starting point but if you want something more accurate and reliable, it needs to be a lot more complex than this.

You have to realize that an accurate power ranking is worth millions and millions of dollars in the betting world.

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A different look...

My formula based Power Ranking..
ROW%, Goal Diff, Pt, Pt%, 5on5, ST, Sdiff, FO%.

EDIT: Modified it... - an error in the formula.

1 *SAN JOSE - 3.15
2 *TAMPA BAY - 4.05
3 *ST. LOUIS - 5.40
4 *MONTRÉAL - 5.45
5 *CHICAGO - 5.50
6 *BOSTON - 7.15
7 *PITTSBURGH - 7.30
8 *OTTAWA - 8.15
9 *ANAHEIM - 8.50
10 *NEW JERSEY - 12.00
11 *NY ISLANDERS - 13.10
12 *DETROIT - 15.65
13 *MINNESOTA - 16.00
14 *EDMONTON - 16.55
15 *VANCOUVER - 16.60
16 *TORONTO - 16.85

17 *COLORADO - 16.85
18 *PHOENIX - 17.00
19 *NY RANGERS - 17.95
20 *CAROLINA - 21.30
21 *NASHVILLE - 21.40
22 *WINNIPEG - 23.75
23 *BUFFALO - 24.60
24 *FLORIDA - 24.65
25 *DALLAS - 24.80
26 *PHILADELPHIA - 25.20
27 *LOS ANGELES - 25.95
28 *COLUMBUS - 26.60
29 *CALGARY - 28.20
30 *WASHINGTON - 29.95



Obviously the formula is extremely sensitive to a couple wins here and there with it only being 2 weeks in... Will try it again after another few weeks.

*before people complain, SDiff and FO% TOTAL account for about 9% of the formula.
Nice our very own BCS

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02-04-2013, 07:45 PM
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Kings should be lower

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02-04-2013, 09:31 PM
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The Blues only 2 losses came on the back end a B2B games and on the road, while the home team was rested.
How were the Hawks rested? Because they had the prior night off? The Hawks and Blues both played 3 games in 4 nights at that time.

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You cannot just give it arbitrary weightings and expect it to produce something reliable. Weightings need to be rooted in reality (ie normalized to some kind of median or average of something that has a logical and, often, physical meaning). Weighing stuff with arbitrary (and even, round) numbers does not make much logical sense does it? I won't tell you what to do with your time or how you should go about creating your personal ranking system but personally, I think an accurate "power ranking" would account for a lot more detail than yours does.

You should also not have different categories that are correlated unless you understand how they are correlated and account for it.

It's a starting point but if you want something more accurate and reliable, it needs to be a lot more complex than this.

You have to realize that an accurate power ranking is worth millions and millions of dollars in the betting world.
Thanks. That's fantastic information.

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How were the Hawks rested? Because they had the prior night off? The Hawks and Blues both played 3 games in 4 nights at that time.
I'm pretty sure a night off before your home opener while the other team goes to a shootout on the road qualifies as rested. Not that it matters, but everyone knows B2B games make a difference.

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02-04-2013, 10:59 PM
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A loss is a loss. It does not matter if it's on the end of a B2B or on the road.
Not when you're talking power rankings. It's a ranking system that really doesn't show who the best team is, simply the hottest team + good overall record as the season moves along.

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