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02-04-2013, 07:42 PM
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Cam Ward - Painfully Overrated

Very average at best career stats, attrocious rebound control that would make Fleury giggle, and the Canes are always tooth and nail to even make the playoffs. And don't even start with the argument that he plays for a crap team. According to HF for the longest time, he's elite, and actual elite goalies have done more with less many times. Not to mention, they also play in the worst division in the NHL. This year, with a much improved roster (I know it's early still), he's managed to be mediocre.

Nothing personal against the guy as I think he is a good goalie, but it seems like that Conn Smythe has bought him a whole LOT of
slack throughout his career.

Discuss, and for all the Ward super fans, please tell me why he isn't overrated.

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02-04-2013, 07:45 PM
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Same could be said for Price. HF has an irrational love for some players.

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02-04-2013, 07:46 PM
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I don't think anyone considers him elite currently. He's probably between 8 to 14 in goalie rankings.

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I agree, I'm not a fan of Ward at all....he sucks.

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Gerber carried the load for the Canes during the season, and Ward took them the rest of the way during the playoffs. Perhaps the Canes just need another solid goalie to bring out the best in Ward, a 1.A and 1.B type of goalie situation.

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Same could be said for Price. HF has an irrational love for some players.
No. Price is one of the best goalies in the league

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Agreed. I don't know why some people have him in their top 10 goalies. He's not a BAD goalie by any means, but I just think if he was really one of the elite he'd put up better numbers, regardless of the sub-par defense in front of him.

I'd say he's probably in the 10-15 range.

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02-04-2013, 07:52 PM
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I consider Ward an above average starter, but not elite.

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02-04-2013, 07:54 PM
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He seems like an average to above average goalie who is an absolute workhorse in terms of games played and shots faced. There's probably 8-10 goalies I would take ahead of him.

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I consider Ward an above average starter, but not elite.
He's doing a pretty elite job of tanking my fantasy hockey team

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Ward always starts slow and then his stats improve greatly towards the end of the year.

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First of all, yes, Carolina has an improved forward group. But they've somehow managed to become worse defensively from last year. Replacing one of the few crease-clearers we had (Allen) with Joe Corvo and Bobby Sanguinetti (neither should be seeing NHL ice at the moment) was the worst idea.

Second, this topic is exactly why Ward isn't overrated. Because people don't watch the games, see Ward had a poor statline, and assume Ward is to blame.

Lets throw some knowledge out here:

- Ward has faced over 4500 shots the past two seasons. That's more than any other goaltender in the same time period. About 500 shots more, in fact. He's made more saves than most goaltenders face in shots.
- Over the past two years, he's played in 28 games where he's faced 40 or more shots. That's more than Lundqvist, Price, Miller, Quick, and Fleury...combined. It's also about 1 out of every 5 starts.
- Despite this absurd workload, he's posted a respectable .918 SV% in that same timespan. Behind a defense that's less than stellar and a team that can't make the playoffs.

Even tonight, which I'm assuming prompted this topic, how many defensive breakdowns has Ward prevented from burning the Canes? Yeah, the goal wasn't great to give up, but let enough odd man rushes and one will cost you eventually.

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Very average at best career stats, attrocious rebound control that would make Fleury giggle, and the Canes are always tooth and nail to even make the playoffs. And don't even start with the argument that he plays for a crap team. According to HF for the longest time, he's elite, and actual elite goalies have done more with less many times. Not to mention, they also play in the worst division in the NHL. This year, with a much improved roster (I know it's early still), he's managed to be mediocre.

Nothing personal against the guy as I think he is a good goalie, but it seems like that Conn Smythe has bought him a whole LOT of
slack throughout his career.

Discuss, and for all the Ward super fans, please tell me why he isn't overrated.

He doesn't play for a crap team, he plays for a carp team.


A carp team.







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while I agree that there is some overrating of Ward, mostly from some posters (typically, Canadian fans talking about future Olympic squads who never watch Carolina play) who say he is elite based only on two playoff runs, it should be noted that he is probably in the worst situation of any starting goalie in the league.

-Carolina's D has gotten worse each year since they won the Cup. The past two seasons they've been dead last in shots against per game.
-The Hurricanes offense has not been as bad, but is still only average at its best times.
-Only once in the past five years have the Canes had backup goalies that offered better than below-average performance.

the end result is that in order for Carolina to be a playoff team in recent years, they need an even goal differential, meaning Ward would have to shave at least thirty goals against off his annual total (which assumes his backups would provide at least 5-10 less goals as well). That'd require at least .930 save percentage, if not higher, each year, with no injuries. I don't think any goalie in history except maybe Hasek would be able to get the Canes of recent years into the playoffs. If there is an argument for Ward being elite, and it's not so far-fetched to think there is, it's that he is able to keep Carolina within a few wins of the playoffs each season. I don't think more than half a dozen goalies in the league could do that.

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02-04-2013, 08:28 PM
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Ward always starts slow and then his stats improve greatly towards the end of the year.
That formula won't work in a shortened season.

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That formula won't work in a shortened season.
He's posted a .913 over his last 4 games (actually I think it just rounded up to .914 as I was typing this) so I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that he's not getting his form back in time.

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you're blind, cam ward is awesome.

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This year, with a much improved roster (I know it's early still), he's managed to be mediocre.
Much improved? Improved with the addition of Semin and J.Staal, sure, but thats on offense. How about their defense? Sanguinetti is an improvement over an orange cone. Pitkanen is really good when he's good, and a ghost when he's bad. Corvo is 35, and is not a defensive d-man. Faulk, while showing improvement and skills in his season so far, is only 20, and has a bit to learn before he's reliable night-in, night-out. His defense does not give him much help. That doesn't make him any less of an absolute workhorse for the Canes.

The Martin Gerber argument is a moot point. Ward was called upon, and led his team to win the Cup. If Gerber was so damn good, why did he tailspin out of the NHL so quickly?

I think the goalie on a team having issues early in the season is always going to receive flak, but painfully overrated? No. Patrik Stefan was painfully overrated. Could people have unrealistic expectations of what Cam Ward can do for a team? Yes.

A number of teams would line up to have him if he became available, and he would be a great addition to at least 5-10 NHL clubs.

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People judge players by playoffs. Conn Smythe.

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People judge players by playoffs. Conn Smythe.
Seven years ago. Meh ever since.

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This thread is just asking for y2kcanucks to come here and bash Ward some more. Should be fun.

I think he's in the middle of the pack right now, not in the top 10 anymore.

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Seven years ago. Meh ever since.
He totally rocked a game of NHL11 two years ago.

BTW, you forgot a "t".


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Seven years ago. Meh ever since.
Didn't watch the Canes 09 run, did you?

Willing to bet you've watched less than 20 Canes games over the past couple years as well.

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