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07-03-2006, 05:43 AM
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Blue Skips: Patient Rangers Stay Course

http://www.nypost.com/sports/rangers...rry_brooks.htm

Offered Elias 6 years - $42mill

" Even if McKee's price was somewhat inflated, the Rangers needed him. The current defense of Marek Malik, Michal Rozsival, Fedor Tyutin, Darius Kasparaitis, Karel Rachunek and Thomas Pock is insufficient. It's unrealistic to expect Marc Staal to make the team in October, and the Rangers do not have the expendable chips with which to acquire Chris Pronger."

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Pretty accurate. The Rangers have thus far played it safe. We need to go hard after Pronger, Ward or Spacek INMO. I'd be willing to fork over big cash for these guy's seeing as we haven't spent too much. Only big $ were on the Cullen deal. At this point the free agent pool is nearing kiddie pool depth.

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A good article. Agree with him that we don't have much of 3rd line caliber unless someone from Hartford can provide it. Also agree that McKee might have been a good option for the price. Witt's a possibility but he'll be more expensive.

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Pretty accurate. The Rangers have thus far played it safe. We need to go hard after Pronger, Ward or Spacek INMO. I'd be willing to fork over big cash for these guy's seeing as we haven't spent too much. Only big $ were on the Cullen deal. At this point the free agent pool is nearing kiddie pool depth.
Chris Pronger?If the Rangers weren't willing to commit major contracts for the free agent defensemen,why would they commit $25 million over the next four seasons for Pronger and be forced to fork over too many young assets for a 32 year old defenseman?

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Scratch Florida. Ditto for Philadelphia.

Same with Toronto, the New York Rangers, Boston and Phoenix, too.

The list of possible destinations for Chris Pronger, folks, is shrinking
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjourna...8-c0073769cbe3

Aaron Ward?

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After spending the last four seasons in Carolina, defenseman Aaron Ward has expressed an interest in returning to Detroit, but the Wings aren't prepared to meet his asking price of $3 million a season
http://www.mlive.com/redwings/storie...l=1&thispage=2

$3 million per for Ward

Jaroslav Spacek?Pronger deserves 1/2 of whatever team gives Spacek who was garbage in Chicago and Columbus

Just the because the Rangers have cap space doesn't mean the Rangers should give B and C level players A player $$$.The cap isn't going to increase by $5 million every summer.The $44 million cap is based on $2.1 billion in revenue which is the same amount of revenue the NHL pulled in in 2003-04.The NHL projected revenues would decrease to $1.8 billion but they didn't.However,to expect NHL revenues to dramatically increase which would result in a higher cap is not realistic.So the cap will remain in the $44 million range for at least the near future.Here is the key

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"I think this is just a product of the new system," one NHL GM said. "The [individual team salary] cap has gone up from $39-million to $44-million, so it was easy to predict that there would be a lot of movement of the best talent available.

"It will be interesting to see if the cap stays the same next year or even goes down, how much activity there will be
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...Sports/Hockey/

Let all of the other teams commit long term contracts this summer so they leave themselves little or no room when the cap stays at $44 million or even decreases

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07-03-2006, 07:59 AM
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All these other teams will be capped out with immovable contracts. The free agents will be getting better and younger in the coming years. The Rangers are in excellent shape to add an impact player to mix with their young core in the coming years.

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http://www.nypost.com/sports/rangers...rry_brooks.htm

Offered Elias 6 years - $42mill

" Even if McKee's price was somewhat inflated, the Rangers needed him. The current defense of Marek Malik, Michal Rozsival, Fedor Tyutin, Darius Kasparaitis, Karel Rachunek and Thomas Pock is insufficient. It's unrealistic to expect Marc Staal to make the team in October, and the Rangers do not have the expendable chips with which to acquire Chris Pronger."
Just when you thought Brooks was ready to get moderately critical of the Rangers, he throws out one of these:

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Because while puck-moving skills are all the rage, a team must have toughness in front. If not, you wind up with Brad Lukowich on the ice with two seconds to go in a one-goal playoff game.

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Pretty accurate. The Rangers have thus far played it safe. We need to go hard after Pronger, Ward or Spacek INMO. I'd be willing to fork over big cash for these guy's seeing as we haven't spent too much. Only big $ were on the Cullen deal. At this point the free agent pool is nearing kiddie pool depth.
lets be honest sather really lucked out last year. His plan was weekes in net and he HAD no idea Jagr would be that great. Sather is having a horrible off season he is way under the cap and it sounds like he put all his eggs in the elias basket and let the defenseman all slip away.

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Other than Sather not getting a little help and strength on the blue line I think it's been a great offseason. As I've said before...sometimes the best deals are the one's you don't make. We are still a year or two away from seeing which of our young guys are going to be the real deal. No need to lock up our cap space now when we're not in a position to know what the future will bring. Next off season we'll have a bunch of money and a better idea of what we should be spending it on.

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Next off season we'll have a bunch of money and a better idea of what we should be spending it on.
Off course next year, there will not be a slew of top-pairing defensemen available like there were this year.

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No reason to just throw $ at players because NY has it to spend. A trade can always be made down the road. Many teams are going to be hurt by overspending.

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Off course next year, there will not be a slew of top-pairing defensemen available like there were this year.
Well next year we can always trade Montoya for one. I guess I'm just not that worried about it. We'll have the money if we really have our sights on a guy...whether he chooses to sign with us is a different question, but personally I'm glad we didn't give up the farm this offseason.

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Off course next year, there will not be a slew of top-pairing defensemen available like there were this year.
Anyone have a list of all the UFAs next year?

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Off course next year, there will not be a slew of top-pairing defensemen available like there were this year.
Chara and Jovanovski were the only two who qualify as bona fide "top pairing" defensemen. Jay McKee had a real nice season/playoffs but has been a 2nd pairing guy his whole career. I could have lived with him, and to a lesser extent Kubina, but not at $4M and $5M (insane, esp for Kubina).

Who else? Willie Mitchell? Ha. Ruslan Salei. Hee. Filip Kuba? Roflcopter. Kim "See Jason Allison, Eric Lindros, and any other number of concussion victims to see how well they come back" Jonsson (At $5M no less)?

So the Rangers didn't drastically overpay for a 2nd tier defenseman. But wait! There's still time! Aaron Ward and Danil Markov are still out there. So fret not.

I, for one, am not terribly broken up over all this.

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There's no link or list that I know of, but here's a preliminary listing of players currently on schedule to become UFAs in 2007. If anyone has any additions or see's any mistakes, please post them up.

Centers:
David Legwand*
Peter Forsberg
Joe Sakic
Daniel Briere*
Pavel Datsyuk
Scott Gomez
Tyler Arnason
Michal Handzus
Andy McDonald*
Ian Laperriere (player/team option for `07-08)
Martin Straka
Radek Bonk
Pierre Turgeon
Sammie Pahlsson
Bryan Smolinski
Scott Nichol

Wingers:
Marian Gaborik
Martin Havlat
Alex Tanguay*
Todd Bertuzzi
Teemu Selanne
Paul Kariya
Steve Konowalchuk
Erik Cole
Mike Knuble
Fred Modin
Kyle Calder*
Ales Kotalik*
JP Dumont*
Maxim Afinogenov*
Darcy Tucker
Ladislav Nagy
Brian Gionta*
Brendan Morrow
Tomas Holmstrom
Richard Zednik
Brad May
Adam Mair*
Antti Laaksonen
Andrew Brunette
Scott Mellanby

Defensemen
Brad Stuart
Chris Phillips
Sheldon Souray
Andrei Markov
Brian Campbell*
Toni Lydman*
Henrik Tallinder*
Dave Tanabe*
Craig Rivet
Sean O'Donnell
Joe Dipenta
Patrice Brisebois
Lars Jonsson

Goalies
JS Giguere
Tomas Vokoun
Martin Biron*
David Aebischer*
Brent Johnson
Mike Morrison

* = Current RFA, 2007 unrestricted status depends on contract signed this summer


2007-08 eligibility: - A player age 28 with four accrued seasons of 40+ games, or any player without a contract who has accrued seven seasons of 40+ games.

Definitions:
- "NHL Games" includes both NHL regular season and playoff games
- "Professional season" for players aged 18 or 19 includes any season in which he plays 11 or more professional games
- "Professional season" for players aged 20 or older includes any season he plays one or more professional games
- "Professional games" includes NHL regular season and playoff games, minor league regular season and playoff games, and games played in any European professional league while under NHL contract

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Who else? Willie Mitchell? Ha.
Having watched (and been quite impressed with) Willie Mitchell 40-50X this year, I believe he is far and away the best defenseman signing that has taken place this week. Great value at $3.5MM per. He is a far better all-around player than Kubina or Kim Jonnson. Vancouver got a hometown discount.

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Chris Pronger?If the Rangers weren't willing to commit major contracts for the free agent defensemen,why would they commit $25 million over the next four seasons for Pronger and be forced to fork over too many young assets for a 32 year old defenseman?



http://www.canada.com/edmontonjourna...8-c0073769cbe3

Aaron Ward?



http://www.mlive.com/redwings/storie...l=1&thispage=2

$3 million per for Ward

Jaroslav Spacek?Pronger deserves 1/2 of whatever team gives Spacek who was garbage in Chicago and Columbus

Just the because the Rangers have cap space doesn't mean the Rangers should give B and C level players A player $$$.The cap isn't going to increase by $5 million every summer.The $44 million cap is based on $2.1 billion in revenue which is the same amount of revenue the NHL pulled in in 2003-04.The NHL projected revenues would decrease to $1.8 billion but they didn't.However,to expect NHL revenues to dramatically increase which would result in a higher cap is not realistic.So the cap will remain in the $44 million range for at least the near future.Here is the key



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...Sports/Hockey/

Let all of the other teams commit long term contracts this summer so they leave themselves little or no room when the cap stays at $44 million or even decreases

Ward, Spacek, and Pronger are B & C guy's now? I agree the 25m was too much for Pronger and I wouldn't of gone that far. Ward is worth it and I'm glad we picked him up.

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Ward, Spacek, and Pronger are B & C guy's now? I agree the 25m was too much for Pronger and I wouldn't of gone that far. Ward is worth it and I'm glad we picked him up.
$25MM is too much for PRONGER? The assets traded were too much for us, but certainly not the money.

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