Aside from Selanne, they pretty much all have similar season starts. Unless you're speculating on leadership, which I have no idea about, I don't think adding one of the players you mentioned would have made any difference.
.. And you know Selanne would have not signed anywhere else than in Anaheim..
Maybe I wasn't clear then. I don't care about this season's starts. I think all those 1st round studs need an HOFer mentor to reach their potential.
Maybe I wasn't clear then. I don't care about this season's starts. I think all those 1st round studs need an HOFer mentor to reach their potential.
I don't know what makes you think that Jagr or Whitney would be any better mentors. In fact I'd think that it isn't the case for Jagr (history speaks) and that Whitney isn't a HOFer anyway. In any case a HOFer isn't necessarily a good coach or mentor (ref. Gretzky).
I don't know them personally so not drawing any hasty conclusions, but if Edmonton decided not go after anybody, it's most likely because the team was in good shape with its leaders which includes Hemsky and he seems fine in this short seasons start.
Total choke job by the Oilers. From not scoring on the late PP with the chance to make it 3-1, to Dubnyk allowing a killer soft goal to tie it up (and blowing a 2-0 lead), to the ugly Hall PS attempt, concluding with the shoddy defensive zone coverage on the Tanev winner.
Can't believe people are envious of the Oilers... this team is a JOKE!!!
2010: They picked Hall instead of Seguin. Bad choice
2011: RNH instead of Landeskog. Landeskog is more complete and RNH had been horrible so far... 5 assists in 9 games (no goals).
2012: Yakupov over Galchenyuk. Galchy (+5) is a lot better than Yakupov (-6) defensively.
Can't believe people are envious of the Oilers... this team is a JOKE!!!
2010: They picked Hall instead of Seguin. Bad choice
2011: RNH instead of Landeskog. Landeskog is more complete and RNH had been horrible so far... 5 assists in 9 games (no goals).
2012: Yakupov over Galchenyuk. Galchy (+5) is a lot better than Yakupov (-6) defensively.
Even Eberle is a complete joke defensively.
Wow when you put it out like that they sure did **** up
Can't believe people are envious of the Oilers... this team is a JOKE!!!
2010: They picked Hall instead of Seguin. Bad choice
2011: RNH instead of Landeskog. Landeskog is more complete and RNH had been horrible so far... 5 assists in 9 games (no goals).
2012: Yakupov over Galchenyuk. Galchy (+5) is a lot better than Yakupov (-6) defensively.
Well that's my opinion and if you disagree, that's fine. But for me, a team that has 3 straight 1st overall picks must be a lot better than what they are this season.
Well that's my opinion and if you disagree, that's fine. But for me, a team that has 3 straight 1st overall picks must be a lot better than what they are this season.
I totally agree with you, for what that's worth haha
Indeed.. I still pick Hall over Seguin, Hall is a wonderfull hockey player and will be one of the best wingers in the league in 2-3 years from now..
RNH is struggling right now but he had a shoulder surgery this summer and is apparently not quite confortable yet, the kid has magic hands and will be a player no doubt..
Dont forget thats a pretty young team, especially their top 6, its scary to think what they will be able to do in some years if they can stay healthy, they are already very competitive..
Well that's my opinion and if you disagree, that's fine. But for me, a team that has 3 straight 1st overall picks must be a lot better than what they are this season.
They are kids playing against men, I think they are doing pretty well considering they have poor veterans support.. Their firepower is set for years up front, they just need to get help on D..
Can't believe people are envious of the Oilers... this team is a JOKE!!!
2010: They picked Hall instead of Seguin. Bad choice
2011: RNH instead of Landeskog. Landeskog is more complete and RNH had been horrible so far... 5 assists in 9 games (no goals).
2012: Yakupov over Galchenyuk. Galchy (+5) is a lot better than Yakupov (-6) defensively.
Even Eberle is a complete joke defensively.
And you're basing this off... a nine game sample?
I would trade our forward core for their forward core. In a heartbeat.
Well that's my opinion and if you disagree, that's fine. But for me, a team that has 3 straight 1st overall picks must be a lot better than what they are this season.
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Can't believe people are envious of the Oilers... this team is a JOKE!!!
2010: They picked Hall instead of Seguin. Bad choice
2011: RNH instead of Landeskog. Landeskog is more complete and RNH had been horrible so far... 5 assists in 9 games (no goals).
2012: Yakupov over Galchenyuk. Galchy (+5) is a lot better than Yakupov (-6) defensively.
Even Eberle is a complete joke defensively.
first off eberle is not a complete joke defensively. average perhaps, a 'complete joke' he most certainly is not.
as opposed to hall, seguin was eased into 'tougher' minutes and he is still not facing anywhere near the kind of competition hall is facing game in and game out. and on top of that, it's still way too early to call it a 'bad choice'. hall is also a ppg so far this seasons and since you love to use +/-, he's + 3.
rnh's ceiling is still miles higher than landeskog's. the same rnh who got 52 points in 62 games last year playing 18 minutes a night. tambo would - and should have been crucified had he taken landeskog with the first overall instead of rnh. he's a 19 year old kid playing center in the national hockey league. and did i mention that it's too early to tell?
galchenyuk better defensively than yakupov? yeah, ok. everybody knows this so it shouldn't be a huge surprise since one's a sniper and the other a two-way center. he wasn't drafted to be good defensively, and most rookies aren't anyways, he was drafted to score goals. 5 goals and 2 assists in 9 games. he's doing exactly what he was drafted to do. also, you should steer clear of using +/- to point out that someone is good or bad defensively.
also: it's too early to tell.
3 years ago, the oilers elected to rebuild the team. not just the team in the nhl but also the farm in OKC. they literally blew up everything... so yes, it will take some time before they go back to the playoffs and as much as we'd like to pretend that first overall all enter the league and start ripping everybody a new one, not every shiny new prospect can do that, in fact, most can't.
these aren't just first overall picks that get inserted into a lineup and start playing with veterans with somewhat sheltered minutes, they are 18, 19, 21, 22 year old kids asked to carry a team with no veteran help. they have a decent team in OKC but it's still a rebuild in progress.
i am not envious of the oilers one bit and i still think that tambo is a ****** GM but he has a plan and he's going through with it and he warned everybody three years ago that it was gonna take a while, and that it wasn't always gonna be pretty
so there, facts with context, not just a rant-like post.
edit: and i should add that belanger and horcoff, their two veteran centers and best centermen at taking faceoffs are out with injury. the sad thing in all of this is that tambo will still not go and get help either on the blue line, or to replace either of horcoff and belanger. you think the habs have problem with faceoffs, the oilers would make your head explode...
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I would trade our forward core for their forward core. In a heartbeat.
If you want to score a lot of goals, absolutely I would trade our forwards for theirs... but if you want to win games, I take ours which is more balanced and better defensively.
Well that's my opinion and if you disagree, that's fine. But for me, a team that has 3 straight 1st overall picks must be a lot better than what they are this season.
This is the end result of surrounding elite skilled rookies with scrub veterans. Many people here wanted to trade all of our older players for picks and prospects without understanding you need good old players to bring along talent.
A bunch of overhyped names isn't going to do **** when they are getting stomped every night by well rounded teams. Galchenyuk will be brought up right, he will be shielded by Pleks/Markov/Gionta/Cole until he is ready for the main stage.
This is the end result of surrounding elite skilled rookies with scrub veterans. Many people here wanted to trade all of our older players for picks and prospects without understanding you need good old players to bring along talent.
A bunch of overhyped names isn't going to do **** when they are getting stomped every night by well rounded teams. Galchenyuk will be brought up right, he will be shielded by Pleks/Markov/Gionta/Cole until he is ready for the main stage.
Relax, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Taylor Hall, and Nail Yakupov will be great players, they just need time. Sometimes great players take a while to develop: John Tavares didn't become a ppg player until his third season for example.
Like the Columbus Blue Jackets, their pre-tank picks, Sam Gagner and Magnus-Paajarvi-Svensson, selected at 6th overall from when they were foolishly trying and thus inevitably failing to make the almighty playoffs, are mediocre at best. However, they also got Justin Schultz and Jordan Eberle, so they're not just dependent on their tank picks to succeed. They nailed some other picks too. Ryan Whitney looks like a good player to have as well.
Edmonton will be a great team real soon. They are already a bubble team.
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