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02-05-2013, 12:21 AM
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Only because Allen is a moron.
Who happens to be Sami's partner.

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Who happens to be Sami's partner.
i dont recall sami getting screwed over because of allen tonight. it was the other way around

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Who happens to be Sami's partner.
He's also been Fowler's partner.

The point is that saying he wasn't as bad as Allen really doesn't paint Vatanen in a positive light. Vatanen has a lot of talent, but he just wasn't able to do much tonight. Vatanen's defense isn't good enough for him to have a spot without making up for it offensively.

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i dont recall sami getting screwed over because of allen tonight. it was the other way around
That one bad pass. Get over it. Did Sharks score on that PP?

Allen and Vatanen has zero chemistry. Allen thinks and reacts everything so slow.

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How was Vatanen +/- 0 today. Wasn't he on the ice for the goal against? At least Allen was?

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How was Vatanen +/- 0 today. Wasn't he on the ice for the goal against? At least Allen was?
Lydman and Allen were on the ice during the Sharks goal.

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02-05-2013, 12:38 AM
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That one bad pass. Get over it. Did Sharks score on the PP?

Allen and Vatanen has zero chemistry. Allen thinks everything so slow.
You know... maybe it's just me but I don't necessarily think bad plays, or losing position on your man is irrelevant just because a goal isn't score. Isn't the goal to cut out those types of mistakes so the opposing team doesn't get the chance to take advantage of them?

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How was Vatanen +/- 0 today. Wasn't he on the ice for the goal against? At least Allen was?
Like Granlund has been on the ice @ every goal against minnesota wild.. with 0 rating thought?


Just kidding man. Haven't yet watched the game.

I can see Vatanen's and Allen's chemistry potentionally being bad.. Which wouldn't help both players. they are in at the level with a bit different style of play. Lydman couls suit better..

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Lydman and Allen were on ice, both screwed up on the play.

Lydman & Sbisa made some really bad plays on their own end as well.

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i dont recall sami getting screwed over because of allen tonight. it was the other way around
what can you do when you know your d partner can't skate, can't pass and takes alot of penalties.....

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what can you do when you know your d partner can't skate, can't pass and takes alot of penalties.....
We could ask Cam.

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You know... maybe it's just me but I don't necessarily think bad plays, or losing position on your man is irrelevant just because a goal isn't score. Isn't the goal to cut out those types of mistakes so the opposing team doesn't get the chance to take advantage of them?
True of course but some of you are over reacting about every move Vatanen makes out there. If Cam gets manhandled there do you post about it the way you post about Vatanen?


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We could ask Cam.
So Cam and Allen clicks. Sami and Allen don't.

If and when Sami is going to get more games... I just don't want to see him paired with Allen.


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True of course but some of you are over reacting about every move Vatanen makes out there.
Part of that is the hype that has been associated with him. It puts him under a magnifying glass, and the expectations are high.

But some of it is also, simply, that Vatanen really didn't have much of an impact. If he had been able to assert himself offensively, and been a real threat, I think the good would have outweighed the bad. That wasn't the case though, and I just don't think Vatanen has shown he's ready to stick without his offense leading the way.

Edit: In regards to Fowler, he's not a rookie, and he has shown himself more than able to make up for his mistakes. That being said, I constantly say he needs to get stronger. He's made some positive steps in that regards, but I still think he struggles at time with board battles against bigger forwards.

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We could ask Cam.
Cam is a much better player(sorry eenok, accept it)
but Cam is also in his 3rd season, and had his struggles last year

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And this isn't about competition between Sami and Cam. Fowler is in his own level compared to Sami atm. But Ducks need more and better puck movement and fast passes out of the d zone... Fowler isn't enough imo even though we are doing quite ok at the moment...hopefully Sami improves and can help the team in the future.

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I know that Vatanism is gaining ground around here, but are we really expecting Vatanen to be as good as Fowler now?

What I liked about Vatanen today, is that even though he was struggling at times with bigger forwards, he remained composed and calm. He didn't seem like a rookie out there. It's only his second game, which means he could improve quickly. When Fowler returns, Vatanen should go back to the AHL, until that happens, I'll have him up over Hendry (or Clark, who some are suggesting) any time and I'm not too worried about him.

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02-05-2013, 12:55 AM
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So Cam and Allen clicks. Sami and Allen don't.

If and when Sami is going to get more games... I just don't want to see him paired with Allen.
I'm not sure I'd call what Fowler and Allen do "clicking". Allen does the same crap with Fowler. He's just been able to cover for Allen's mistakes, and he can take control of the game at a level that Vatanen hasn't shown yet. It isn't fair to compare Vatanen to Fowler at this point, but my point is that using Allen as the reason Vatanen was unimpressive is a cop out. Vatanen has too much talent for a cheap excuse like that.

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I know that Vatanism is gaining ground around here, but are we really expecting Vatanen to be as good as Fowler now?
No..

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And this isn't about competition between Sami and Cam. Fowler is in his own level compared to Sami atm. But Ducks need more and better puck movement and fast passes out of the d zone... Fowler isn't enough imo even though we are doing quite ok at the moment...hopefully Sami improves and can help the team in the future.
I agree. I think they do need better puck movement. With Vatanen though, that comes at a sacrifice, and I don't think Vatanen is doing well enough in that regard to make it worth it just yet.

As mentioned, it's only been two games, and I think Vatanen can do better. I just don't want him to only show up on nights we play a team like Minnesota, who were just not very good that night.

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And this isn't about competition between Sami and Cam. Fowler is in his own level compared to Sami atm. But Ducks need more and better puck movement and fast passes out of the d zone... Fowler isn't enough imo even though we are doing quite ok at the moment...hopefully Sami improves and can help the team in the future.
I liked the Vatanen/Sbisa pairing myself, atleast if Sami makes a mistake Sbisa has the skating ability to help him, whereas Allen can't move very well.

but it's good to have D depth, so i'm not suggesting to trade anyone yet, but I also wanna see if Lindholm has got the goods

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Who's a career -60
As someone mentioned in other thread, Lecavalier is -108

Fowler was really bad defensively but he have come a long way. He was our #2 defenseman last year, playing with a terrible team as a 19 yo

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As someone mentioned in other thread, Lecavalier is -108

Fowler was really bad defensively but he have come a long way. He was our #2 defenseman last year, playing with a terrible team as a 19 yo
Fowler has never been really bad defensively. Last year he was put into a role he wasn't ready for and even then he looked ok - his +/- was more a reflection of how bad the Ducks were than anything. His rookie year he was paired with Sutton/Lilja/Mara who were all terrible partners.

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