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02-05-2013, 12:03 AM
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Horrible for Buffalo.

Top line winger and one of the better goalies in the league for a handful of mediocre players.

Stevie takes it in a heartbeat, Darcy wonders if this is a joke.

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The depth to which Victor Hedman is underrated makes me sad.

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God awful for Buffalo.

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02-05-2013, 12:49 AM
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To Tampa Bay:

F Thomas Vanek (7.1M per thru 13/14)
D Christian Ehrhoff (4.0M per thru 20/21)
G Ryan Miller (6.3M per thru 13/14)

To Buffalo:

F Cory Conacher (0.9M per thru 13/14, then RFA)
F Ryan Malone (4.5M thru 14/15)
F Benoit Pouliot (1.8M thru this season)
D Victor Hedman (4.0M thru 16/17)
G Anders Lindback (1.8M thru 13/14, then RFA)

Lightning go all in for at least a couple Cup runs. Sabres begin a comprehensive rebuilding process. Including Malone and Pouliot helps to limit Tampa's payroll increase.

Lets say Ehrhoff=Hedman......

This is

Vanek/Miller for Linback/Malone/Pouloit/Conacher




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02-05-2013, 12:57 AM
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Holy hell this is beyond terrible for Tampa. Like I don't even know where to start.

This would be a buffalo fans wet dream.
Well...

Vanek > Hedman, Conacher
Miller > Lindback and Malone
Ehrhoff > Pouliot

Not quite sure how you're thinking here..

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02-05-2013, 01:11 AM
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Swapping Lindback for Miller makes a much bigger difference than swapping Hedman for Ehrhoff, especially considering Miller is on the ice for 2-3 times longer. Vanek for Conacher/Malone/Pouliot is just quantity for quality.
The Hedman/Ehrhoff swap does bad things for TB's defense. Indeed, it ends up a lot like Buffalo is now (with the part of "no more Hedman" being played by a struggling Tyler Myers). Miller's pretty awesome, but he can't single-handedly push Buffalo to conference relevance right now as things are. How would that be any different for a TB cup run?

Still not a good idea.

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02-05-2013, 02:11 AM
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Absolutely horrible for tampa. Conacher could very well be the next St.louis and Hedman is well on his way to being a franchise defenseman. (Probably our MVP so far on this season)


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Buffalo gets fleeced

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02-05-2013, 02:21 AM
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i don't see why tampa even looks at this deal. why fix what isn't broken? is vanek really 7 times better than conacher and is miller 3.5 times better than lindback? cap space is very valuable so i see the lightning improving more by adding to their core group, who's all under contract for multiple years, by trading from a seller to fill a void or just acquiring a need position via free agency

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02-05-2013, 03:45 AM
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Holy hell no.

First of all, Hedman isn't going anywhere. So let's drop him and Ehrhoff out of this trade.

That leaves us with:

Vanek / Miller
for
Conacher / Malone / Pouliot / Lindback

That is an easy no for Buffalo.

Drop Miller and Lindback and you have a trade that is closer in value

Vanek
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Conacher / Malone / Pouliot

The only reason Buffalo would do this is if they are looking for depth (which I don't think they are). Meanwhile this absolutely destroys Tampa's winger depth.

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02-05-2013, 05:27 AM
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Pass.

Could you imagine Buffalo with a Conacher-Ennis-Gerbe line?

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02-05-2013, 06:52 AM
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Pass.

Could you imagine Buffalo with a Conacher-Ennis-Gerbe line?
They could skate through their opponents' feet

Regarding the OP proposal:

You know you've made a bad proposal when one team gets completely robbed, while the other fanbase still feels they give up too much.

Only Bolts player in this proposal that really interests me is Hedman.

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02-05-2013, 06:58 AM
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The depth to which Victor Hedman is underrated makes me sad.
Do you seriously think the difference between him and Ehrhoff (who's been Buffalo's best D since signing here) enough to make up the difference between Miller and Lindback PLUS Vanek and that bunch of whatever in the OP? He's not being underrated here; this deal is that bad.

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02-05-2013, 06:58 AM
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We don't need that. Conacher and Malone will put up 40 goals and will bring other things worthwhile on top of it.

No need to trade them for Vanek.
highly doubtful.

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02-05-2013, 07:24 AM
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i think this is a lose lose. Lightning pretty much takes their offense and butchers it to address a need. While I would love to see Miller on this team, giving up what we would, would in effect dismantle our offense.

Don't get me wrong I love the Lightnings organizational offensive pipeline but the amount of scoring that would be required from the kids in the minors to make up for the offense we would lose would be setting an unrealistic expectation to say the least. Both teams lose badly IMO.

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Some threads on this Trade board should just be deleted.

Yes, this is one of them.

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02-05-2013, 07:32 AM
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So vanek is hot for two weeks and he's worth the world?

I'm sorry I didn't know being a rookie means you have no value. That rookie has almost as many points as your "star".
I wasn't aware that 19 points vs. 12 points is "almost as many".

8G 11A = 5G 7A?

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02-05-2013, 07:43 AM
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Awful in the context of depth and contract status for Tampa. We give up a young, cheap defender locked up for a few years, promising rookie, third line depth which we didn't have last year, top six depth, and a cheap promising goaltender for three guys that put us in cap trouble in probably three years.

Would love Vanek on this team but it really screws up our depth and cap.

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02-05-2013, 07:45 AM
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Do you seriously think the difference between him and Ehrhoff (who's been Buffalo's best D since signing here) enough to make up the difference between Miller and Lindback PLUS Vanek and that bunch of whatever in the OP? He's not being underrated here; this deal is that bad.
I would take Hedman over Ehrhoff in a heartbeat. As both teams are (with San Jose) my favorite teams i think I know both teams pretty well.
I love Ehrhoff, but Tampa really doesn't need him. We have a great puck-mover in Carle, Hedman isn't bad either and Mark Barberio is just waiting in the wings to get the chance he deserves.If we trade Hedman for Ehrhoff Tampa would play 3 offensive D next year along with an injury prone but great TWD in Sami Salo and to DFD in Aulie and Brewer, sorry but that doesn't make any sense for Tampa.

So those two are out of the trade.
If Tampa would really be in a win-now mode I would consider Vanek for Conacher, Pouliot and Malone, but Tampa isn't. Conacher could very well be (if not "is very likely") at the same level than Vanek now in a few years, Malone is a great TWO which brings much needed grid and muscle to the Stamkos St.Louis duo. Vanek can't give them this. Pouliot is a great 3rd liner, capable of playing in the top-6.

Buffalo would lose this one right now but they would win big time in 2-3 years. Not to mention that Vanek wouldn't get near chance to be that good in Tampa, because he would be one of 5 first-line players in Tampa and not the number one.

This trade is bad for both teams, so it would never happen.
But I would do the trade if you change Conacher for Panik or Johnson, but otherwise no !!!!

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You can't just add more players to make up for Quality.
Add Lecavalier MINIMUM to your list.
I would take Lecavalier over Vanek. VL4 is the perfect leader and plays great defensively, and we are in no need to get another superstar (point-wise).

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02-05-2013, 07:58 AM
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horrible deal for the sabres

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Well...

Vanek > Hedman, Conacher
Miller > Lindback and Malone
Ehrhoff > Pouliot

Not quite sure how you're thinking here..
my guess is people see Conacher out of the gates and have now guessed that he is the real deal and his value is off the charts after 8 games1`1

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I would take Hedman over Ehrhoff in a heartbeat. As both teams are (with San Jose) my favorite teams i think I know both teams pretty well.
I love Ehrhoff, but Tampa really doesn't need him. We have a great puck-mover in Carle, Hedman isn't bad either and Mark Barberio is just waiting in the wings to get the chance he deserves.If we trade Hedman for Ehrhoff Tampa would play 3 offensive D next year along with an injury prone but great TWD in Sami Salo and to DFD in Aulie and Brewer, sorry but that doesn't make any sense for Tampa.

So those two are out of the trade.
If Tampa would really be in a win-now mode I would consider Vanek for Conacher, Pouliot and Malone, but Tampa isn't. Conacher could very well be (if not "is very likely") at the same level than Vanek now in a few years, Malone is a great TWO which brings much needed grid and muscle to the Stamkos St.Louis duo. Vanek can't give them this. Pouliot is a great 3rd liner, capable of playing in the top-6.

Buffalo would lose this one right now but they would win big time in 2-3 years. Not to mention that Vanek wouldn't get near chance to be that good in Tampa, because he would be one of 5 first-line players in Tampa and not the number one.

This trade is bad for both teams, so it would never happen.
But I would do the trade if you change Conacher for Panik or Johnson, but otherwise no !!!!



I would take Lecavalier over Vanek. VL4 is the perfect leader and plays great defensively, and we are in no need to get another superstar (point-wise).
And the "homer of the thread"-award goes to...

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And the "homer of the thread"-award goes to...
Yes I am a homer, but I have seen Conacher often this year and over a dozen times last year, a lot of people who see him, expect him to be an elite player in a few years ( he will never be the playmaker St.Louis is, but that because he plays an different style of play). There is a reason, why every Tampa fan (as far as I know them), that answered in this thread sees it as a bad trade for Tampa.
Just because he got not much hype before the last week or so (well he actually got a lot of hype if you compare him to other lightning players/ prospects, except Stammer and St.Louis, but in no relation to the hype he would get as a member of a big market team).
Even if he doesn't pan out and "only" becomes and average second liner, I wouldn't do the trade. It's not worth trading 3 guys that bring thoughness and most likely over 130 points for one guy with ~ 80

Sorry for the Lecavalier words, they don't really make my standpoint clear. VL4 isn't better than Vanek, BUT he is more useful to this Tampa team, than Vanek would be.

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To Tampa Bay:

F Thomas Vanek (7.1M per thru 13/14)
D Christian Ehrhoff (4.0M per thru 20/21)
G Ryan Miller (6.3M per thru 13/14)

To Buffalo:

F Cory Conacher (0.9M per thru 13/14, then RFA)
F Ryan Malone (4.5M thru 14/15)
F Benoit Pouliot (1.8M thru this season)
D Victor Hedman (4.0M thru 16/17)
G Anders Lindback (1.8M thru 13/14, then RFA)

Lightning go all in for at least a couple Cup runs. Sabres begin a comprehensive rebuilding process. Including Malone and Pouliot helps to limit Tampa's payroll increase.
this is madness

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Holy hell this is beyond terrible for Tampa. Like I don't even know where to start.

This would be a buffalo fans wet dream.


Im sure there will pages and pages of laughter

Buffalo gives up the 3 best players in the deal.

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