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01-30-2013, 05:41 PM
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Re: Katatonia--Dead End Kings sort reminds me of Agalloch but worse. Definitely not metal. Jhva Elohim Meth... the Revival sounds metal to me. Overall I find these guys boring and lacking intensity so far.
The early releases are Metal, from Discouraged Ones onward they stopped. Their first full length Dance of December Souls is one of the best Doom Metal albums ever released and Brave Murder Day is great for the hypnotic desperation.

The non-metal albums are hit and miss. Last Fair Deal Gone Down and Discouraged Ones are amazing. I stopped following them after Viva Emptiness as that album was lackluster as was the album that followed it.

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The early releases are Metal, from Discouraged Ones onward they stopped. Their first full length Dance of December Souls is one of the best Doom Metal albums ever released and Brave Murder Day is great for the hypnotic desperation.

The non-metal albums are hit and miss. Last Fair Deal Gone Down and Discouraged Ones are amazing. I stopped following them after Viva Emptiness as that album was lackluster as was the album that followed it.
The first two LPs (just listened to them) are better, but for doom I prefer Mournful Congregation, Thergothon, Winter, and Electric Wizard.

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01-31-2013, 04:06 AM
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The early releases are Metal, from Discouraged Ones onward they stopped. Their first full length Dance of December Souls is one of the best Doom Metal albums ever released and Brave Murder Day is great for the hypnotic desperation.

The non-metal albums are hit and miss. Last Fair Deal Gone Down and Discouraged Ones are amazing. I stopped following them after Viva Emptiness as that album was lackluster as was the album that followed it.
I actually like most of their albums besides Dead End Kings, but I wish they would've produced a few more albums like Dance of December Souls before they started to change their style, though. That was a great album.

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On a whim, started listening to RATM's '99 album Battle of Los Angeles again. I had mostly ignored the last 6 or so songs on the album... I can't remember why. But HOLY ****, I feel like I found a $100 bill in an old pair of jeans. Every. single. song is just awesome.

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I've heard Katatonia described as 'depressive rock' and that's how I've come to think of them since their doomy elements, if/when present, follow the more modern fusion with melodic death metal than the more blackened sound on their earlier appearences.

Sound-wise, I definitely do not see any relation between Katatonia and Agalloch beyond the fact that both bands are guitar and drum-based affairs.

I'm a Katatonia 'fan boy' who is really not into Viva Emptiness or The Great Cold Distance, but I think they really stepped it up for the past two albums. Some great things in there if you take the time to listen; Dead End Kings especially.

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02-01-2013, 09:00 AM
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Katatonia was never blackened. Just a clone of the Peaceville death/doom stuff.

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DoDS is definitely blackened. Clean yo ears, son.

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Wow am I impressed and surprised by this stuff. I generally don't like Swedish death metal apart from some more renegade and original bands like Therion and early At The Gates, but this album has Incantation-level focus.

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Katatonia was never blackened. Just a clone of the Peaceville death/doom stuff.
Get your ears checked

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Katatonia:


Peaceville death/doom:


Blackened death/doom:


Judge for yourself.

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Seems in between, to me.

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Because sometimes, just "death/doom" is not enough.

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02-03-2013, 02:51 PM
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Because sometimes, just "death/doom" is not enough.
Considering the genre spans from the early Peaceville three stuff to riff-heavy destruction like Coffins and Asphyx to bands that border on black metal like Anhedonist and Culted, sometimes just "death/doom" really isn't enough.

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I have no idea what that is. Most of the death i listen to is spelled Amon Amarth.

But in PM, i have no problem with just calling everything just Power Metal. Even if Nightwish is symphonic and Edguy is more Heavy metal/hardrock, at the end of the day, they are all power metal. Musicgenres (espacilly metal ones) are sometimes just a joke and people need to be more simple about it.

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What is blackened now?

Early Katatonia DOES have those peaceville three death/doom elements. The middle Katatonia is more in the vain of alternative metal, their last 2 records seem more rock than metal to me.

Saw them live last year, they tore the house down.

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Nightwish - "Ghost Love Score" live from Buenos Aires 2012



Floor Jansen can sing! DAAAMN! if you don't have time to check all 10 minutes of this awesomeness at least check the last 2 mins

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Will people stop using the term 'alternative metal' please? Thanks.

I've always felt that JHVA ELOHEIM METH was where Katatonia's most black metal moments were, even though it was more in the feel and atmosphere than through black metal musical elements.



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Sound-wise, I definitely do not see any relation between Katatonia and Agalloch beyond the fact that both bands are guitar and drum-based affairs.

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Just heard Jerusalem by Sleep over the weekend. That album destroys. Amazing stoner / doom. I bet Dopesmoker is an even better version since it's the longer, band-appproved cut.

On Katatonia's first LP, I also don't hear anything blackened about it.

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It is mostly the atmosphere to me. Feels heavily like black metal should.

Which is kind of a tenuous connection, but its all I need in this case.

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Floor Jansen can sing! DAAAMN! if you don't have time to check all 10 minutes of this awesomeness at least check the last 2 mins
I like her better than Anette. Anette was great and added something Nightwish always missed, and since Tarja left, Toumas has composed by far, A LOT better music. DPP and imaginaerum is the two best albums of Nightwish. But, even tho she is a good singer, there was something with Anette. Her voice is a little to bright and bland sometimes. Floor's voice is more colorfull and more unique, i think Nightwish should keep her. She can also sing in both Tarja's and Anettes styles.

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02-04-2013, 05:28 PM
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Is Nightwish really popular in Europe or something? They have some youtube videos with over 50 millions views.

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Is Nightwish really popular in Europe or something? They have some youtube videos with over 50 millions views.
Yeah, for some reason Finnish bands tend to be huge in Germany.

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Yeah, for some reason Finnish bands tend to be huge in Germany.
They get over 10.000 crowds also in Switzerland...in their own shows.

Nightwish's genre is more like a european thing.


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Is Nightwish really popular in Europe or something? They have some youtube videos with over 50 millions views.
Yes, each album they release sells over 1 000 000 copies, and DPP sold over 2 000 000 copies. I dont know about their latest one, but when it was realesed, i saw that it sold gold everywhere and like triple plantinum in Finland or something. They are really sucessfull.

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They get over 10.000 crowds also in Switzerland...in their own shows.

Nightwish's genre is more like a european thing.
Power Metal is huge in South America and Japan too.

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