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02-05-2013, 04:03 AM
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Another reason why we are doing good...

No Scott Gomez. Not only he wasn't producing at all and was making everyone else bad in his line, but he was also grudging quality time on ice. I think he was playing 17-18mins ( did not watch the Habs at the end of the year, so i don't know if he were still playing many miutes). So we have almost 1/3 of the game where our team is much better.

MB did a major favor to us by getting rid of him

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No Scott Gomez. Not only he wasn't producing at all and was making everyone else bad in his line, but he was also grudging quality time on ice. I think he was playing 17-18mins ( did not watch the Habs at the end of the year, so i don't know if he were still playing many miutes). So we have almost 1/3 of the game where our team is much better.

MB did a major favor to us by getting rid of him
I agree but at the same time, SJ is doing fine with him. I dont know where in the lineup he is playing or how many minutes but he is still a good hockey player, just doesnt fit in Montreal. His style and size is not needed here. SJ can afford to have a small passing forward as depth, we cant.

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I agree but at the same time, SJ is doing fine with him. I dont know where in the lineup he is playing or how many minutes but he is still a good hockey player, just doesnt fit in Montreal. His style and size is not needed here. SJ can afford to have a small passing forward as depth, we cant.
I think he's playing on a 3rd line. Dunno about his ice time. It's maybe 12-13mins with no PP. So far he has 2 pass in 6games, so yea it's not that good. But i agree that he wasn't a good fit at all in MTL

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While I hate pooping on him even after he's gone, I have to say his absence is doing us goo right now.

His minutes are Gallagher's basically, he's the one who benefits from Gomer being a goner the most.

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While I hate pooping on him even after he's gone
Why?

Some players fought well for us, they gave us happy times, and I'm happy to see them succeed elsewhere: Halak, Cammalleri, Lapierre, Higgins, Gill, etc.

Gomez is not one of those players. He let himself go. He can go to Krispy Kremes with Chris Campoli for all I care.

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02-05-2013, 05:59 AM
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Why?

Some players fought well for us, they gave us happy times, and I'm happy to see them succeed elsewhere: Halak, Cammalleri, Lapierre, Higgins, Gill, etc.

Gomez is not one of those players. He let himself go. He can go to Krispy Kremes with Chris Campoli for all I care.
FML.

Gomez had a ppg second half to 09-10, leading point getter on our team down the stretch, and several more playoff points than Plekanec. He contributed that first year.

Gomez was a guy who gave an effort, the guys liked him, but the results were not there the past two seasons.

Chris Higgins ruined his promising career in Montreal partying night after night, and played in a fog for two and a half years including his next gigs after ours before somewhat getting things back together lately.

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I think new coach and front office big reason we started on fire. Generally a big shakeup team responds. Rejean Houle holds the team record for most wins to start their front office career.

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Those 2 assists, no goals in 6 games could really be helping us right now.

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I think he's playing on a 3rd line. Dunno about his ice time. It's maybe 12-13mins with no PP. So far he has 2 pass in 6games, so yea it's not that good. But i agree that he wasn't a good fit at all in MTL
He's averaging 14min overall and 3:30min per game on the Pp.

Gomez is not a reason as to why we are doing better. That's a stupid shot at him.
He didn't even play half the season last year.

There's two reasons why we're doing great. The return of Markov and Price's stellar performance.
There are other factors, like Plekanec's solid start, same with Bourque, Gionta's return, Diaz's growth (as well as Emelin's), the depth provided by our rookies. But none of that would matter if Markov wasn't back and Price wasn't playing the way he has.

Stop blaming Gomez, it has nothing to do with it. He wasn't part of our solution but he's not to blame.

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He's the one that deflected Souray's GWG last night.

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He's averaging 14min overall and 3:30min per game on the Pp.

Gomez is not a reason as to why we are doing better. That's a stupid shot at him.
He didn't even play half the season last year.

There's two reasons why we're doing great. The return of Markov and Price's stellar performance.
There are other factors, like Plekanec's solid start, same with Bourque, Gionta's return, Diaz's growth (as well as Emelin's), the depth provided by our rookies. But none of that would matter if Markov wasn't back and Price wasn't playing the way he has.

Stop blaming Gomez, it has nothing to do with it. He wasn't part of our solution but he's not to blame.
Meh there wasn't much compete in Gomez in our defensive end, could have drastically impacted a few games. Not saying he's the reason were doing so well but it's definitely helped that he's not here. Guys like Gallagher are fighting for every minute of icetime.

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teams better because everyone is playing better, and we're healthy.

healthy: markov, gionta, bourque

better: emelin, diaz, price

moreless the same: dd, cole, pacioretty, pleks, eller, moen, kaberle, gorges

additional guys who are contributing more than expected: agal, bgal, prust, and even bouillon looks decent with limited minutes.

team's just put together relatively well, and people who you didn't expect so much from, mostly the young guys prust and our d (some) are playing much, much better than a lot thought possible.

team blew a lot of leads last year, they look like they have it on lock down and will be difficult for other teams to battle back with a healthy line-up.

if our d stays healthy, the argument for best d in the east will be made by seasons end as we continue to stay near the top of the division.

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Meh there wasn't much compete in Gomez in our defensive end, could have drastically impacted a few games. Not saying he's the reason were doing so well but it's definitely helped that he's not here. Guys like Gallagher are fighting for every minute of icetime.
It doesn't help that he's not here. That doesn't mean his presence would have helped us either.
If Gallagher and Gally didn't look as good, and we had to call up guys like Palushaj or Engqvist again, then yea, we could have used Gomez.
You get my point?
Your team improves if the players replacing guys you let go are actually better.
But Gomez isn't to blame, and again, last year he played less than half the year.

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Maybe we could ship Gionta and Weber for Clowe or Havlat. Gio's not impressed me whatsoever.

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Maybe we could ship Gionta and Weber for Clowe or Havlat. Gio's not impressed me whatsoever.
Gionta plays against the top line of the opposing team and is really good defensively. That counts for a lot, especially as we are very stingy now 5-on-5.

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Gionta plays against the top line of the opposing team and is really good defensively. That counts for a lot, especially as we are very stingy now 5-on-5.
That's not what he's paid for, nor how he's used. He's been mediocre at best since the first season here.

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That's not what he's paid for, nor how he's used. He's been mediocre at best since the first season here.
what's he getting paid for then? score goals? he's scored ~29 goals (prorated of course) each season he's been here

not sure what more you want from him?

you confuse me Whiskey...

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what's he getting paid for then? score goals? he's scored ~29 goals (prorated of course) each season he's been here

not sure what more you want from him?

you confuse me Whiskey...
It's the proration that frustrates me. Last season he was injury prone, he's TINY and he's been essentially invisible this year. 46pts in 80 games before last season ~0.5ppg. 15 points -7 last season (8g in 31 is 21 g/82gm btw) ~0.5ppg. This season 2g2a, ~0.5ppg.

He's a 0.5ppg, non-physical player and I'm really not impressed with him this season and I never liked his fit with the Habs or his contract. He's a Jacques Martin dump-and-change player and I guess he reminds of the darktimes.

I guess I want him to play better, to finish some more plays and make some - Pleks has a pretty simple game and I don't see them working well together unless Gionta makes some more plays and quits losing the puck mid-zone. 0.5ppg is not good enough.

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Maybe we could ship Gionta and Weber for Clowe or Havlat. Gio's not impressed me whatsoever.
Why does a large part of the forum assume Ryan Clowe is available? Did I miss a rumour?

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Maybe we could ship Gionta and Weber for Clowe or Havlat. Gio's not impressed me whatsoever.
yes yes yes!!! Trade the captain, that should send a message to this team, they desperately need one.

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Why does a large part of the forum assume Ryan Clowe is available? Did I miss a rumour?
He's not, just people speculating in the PGT about signing Clowe as an UFA during the summer.

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It's the proration that frustrates me. Last season he was injury prone, he's TINY and he's been essentially invisible this year. 46pts in 80 games before last season ~0.5ppg. 15 points -7 last season (8g in 31 is 21 g/82gm btw) ~0.5ppg. This season 2g2a, ~0.5ppg.

He's a 0.5ppg, non-physical player and I'm really not impressed with him this season and I never liked his fit with the Habs or his contract. He's a Jacques Martin dump-and-change player and I guess he reminds of the darktimes.

I guess I want him to play better, to finish some more plays and make some - Pleks has a pretty simple game and I don't see them working well together unless Gionta makes some more plays and quits losing the puck mid-zone. 0.5ppg is not good enough.
You are way too harsh. Everyone knows Gionta is overpaid and I don't see how you can blame someone for being small. Not much he can do about that.
I disagree about him not being physical. He's tiny as you said, it's not like he can knock down Chara. However, he never shies away, and goes in the tough zones. He's an aggressive forechecker, like Gallagher.

He hasn't been amazing so far, but he hasn't been bad either. You're not being very fair in your evaluation.

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Maybe we could ship Gionta and Weber for Clowe or Havlat. Gio's not impressed me whatsoever.
Gio is part of the reason the ship has been righted, he brings a lot off ice.

Plus on the ice he works his bag off and his line plays a lot of tough minutes so even if they don't score, they often help shutdown opposition lines.

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It's the proration that frustrates me. Last season he was injury prone, he's TINY and he's been essentially invisible this year. 46pts in 80 games before last season ~0.5ppg. 15 points -7 last season (8g in 31 is 21 g/82gm btw) ~0.5ppg. This season 2g2a, ~0.5ppg.

He's a 0.5ppg, non-physical player and I'm really not impressed with him this season and I never liked his fit with the Habs or his contract. He's a Jacques Martin dump-and-change player and I guess he reminds of the darktimes.

I guess I want him to play better, to finish some more plays and make some - Pleks has a pretty simple game and I don't see them working well together unless Gionta makes some more plays and quits losing the puck mid-zone. 0.5ppg is not good enough.
Yet you want Havlat for him. 0.5 ppg also on an offensive team like SJ. You used the term injury prone to describe Gionta, but Havlat has always been injury prone. You also have to remember that compared to Gionta, Havlat is a soft perimeter player.

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