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02-04-2013, 07:55 PM
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And Boyle actually (with LA)

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02-04-2013, 07:57 PM
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For a split second, I read this as equating the Gartner trade with Mike Rupp and started lol'ing.

Anyway, I'm curious as to who you think Sather would trade in this scenario.
Given that Gaborik is basically Gartner...


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I thought Ferriero did a good job

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02-04-2013, 08:27 PM
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Excited to see Jt Miller. I think he'll do very well.

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Alot of assumptions being made about Miller being a coffee guy. Lets let the kid have a few shifts before we start analyzing his beverage preferences.

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02-04-2013, 08:58 PM
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Given that Gaborik is basically Gartner...

Let's hope we don't get this season's equivalent of a past his prime Glenn Anderson.

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02-04-2013, 09:00 PM
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Yeah... I highly doubt that Pyatt (who I've always liked as a player) will be in the top 6 while Callahan will be in the bottom 6... Callahan is clearly better and he scores more.
first, obviously hags-step-pyatt are going to have to put together several strong games before that line becomes a lock. it was 1 game, it might be broken up before next game is over lol...but people get too caught up in labels and line numbers...and i would look at the lines as a 2A and 2B more than a 2nd and 3rd.

the problem that we run into, if torts insist on keeping the big 3 together is that our #2 center derek stepan and #2 rw, ryan callahan don't seem to fit together and never play well together...i say put cally with richards and nash with stepan and problem solved...

but if a kreider-??-cally line gives us 3 good lines i could careless who is labeled as a top 6 or top 9 guy

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02-04-2013, 09:03 PM
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Let's hope we don't get this season's equivalent of a past his prime Glenn Anderson.
Maybe we will... and the Rangers will get a jolt everytime we put Kreider on the top line instead of whoever we get

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02-04-2013, 09:25 PM
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Nooooooooooo!!!! Miller isn't ready!!!!!! We're gonna totally runi hi...

...Oh, wait, no we're not. If he proves inadequate he's back down with 5 games. Pretty sure 1-5 games with carefully given minutes in the NHL never destroyed anyone's career or development. I mean seriously, a top prospect gets a look for a few games. Whoopdeedoo!! Is it really cause for such objection? Ummm, nope. Worst case, he's sent back and knows just a bit more clearly how hard he needs to work to reach the next level. Best case? He becomes this season's Hagelin, or whatever, who cares. The point is, there is only really upside or noside to this, so quit yer whinin and enjoy tomorrow's game!!!
I think the quick but yet cautious reactions to the call up is due to the fact that many here still have the haunting memories of guys like Jamie Lundmark and Manny Maholtra. But this a different organization now. Much different. Sather made the right corrections. I don't see how anyone can be complaining about how they handle their call ups with their prospects when they did a great job with McDonagh and Hagelin, giving them time in the AHL, as well as Del Zotto. It'd be nice if people could move on, trust management, and stop playing GM/coach so much.

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Yeah I think Miller is the type of player that will be just fine if he's asked to play gritty checking game. If he's able to put up points, all the better.

Personally, I don't think Ferriero provides a Prust game at all, I just think that he brings extra speed and hustle that Asham in particular doesn't, and I think this team needs as many quick legs in the bottom six as possible right now. Having Asham instead of Ferriero isn't a huge deal, I'd just personally prefer the quicker guy of the two with the way this team has been dragging their feet so far.
I agree with the first part on Miller.

Ferriero does not at all provide a Prust game. Until the Powe trade no one did. And it still remains to be seen if Powe can bring that Prust feel to this team. I agree I like Ferriero's game. I like his speed and hustle. But people act like he's, i don't know, say Sutter in Pittsburgh or Nystrom in dallas. He is a very average hockey player. I wanted to keep him over Bickel but either way he wouldn't be playing. With a 2-way deal at least he still gets ice time in CT. Ferriero and Palmieri make that team better in Hartford.

I also think Asham is getting better with each game as he acclimates himself to this organization and new teammates.

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02-04-2013, 09:25 PM
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Let's hope we don't get this season's equivalent of a past his prime Glenn Anderson.
The rangers don't win the cup in 94' without Glenn Anderson's mom's famous salmon sandwiches. Be careful how you speak of him.

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The rangers don't win the cup in 94' without Glenn Anderson's mom's famous salmon sandwiches. Be careful how you speak of him.
Yes, or that ridiculous goal he scores in Vancouver that Kirk McLean totally flubbed.

His goal in game 2 was VERY clutch.

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02-04-2013, 10:39 PM
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JT's game is molded around the pro game. Strong board work, responsible defensive positioning and winning puck battles. And he can bury it when given the chance. I expect him to play well.

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I think Miller will make a decent contribution. I just hope he's good enough to stay up in the big league.

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02-04-2013, 11:43 PM
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The kids slick hands, stride and powerful lower body are so reminiscent to Patty Kane. Will handle board play very well.

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02-05-2013, 12:18 AM
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The kids slick hands, stride and powerful lower body are so reminiscent to Patty Kane. Will handle board play very well.
What? Miller doesn't compare well to Kane at all for me. Miller's a capable puck handler, sure, but Kane has all-world hands. Kane's faster as well and not nearly as strong. Miller, to me, worst case scenario turns out like Dubinsky and best case scenario turns out like what we hoped Dubinsky would be. Maybe less feisty, but very similar games. Miller probably already has a better shot.

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What? Miller doesn't compare well to Kane at all for me. Miller's a capable puck handler, sure, but Kane has all-world hands. Kane's faster as well and not nearly as strong. Miller, to me, worst case scenario turns out like Dubinsky and best case scenario turns out like what we hoped Dubinsky would be. Maybe less feisty, but very similar games. Miller probably already has a better shot.
We can agree to disagree. Miller to me has MUCH better skating ability and MUCH better puck handling skills than Dubinsky. Because of these tools he opens and finds himself prime scoring areas.

Dubi's board play was good but intermittently led to prime scoring chances, while I believe Miller will translate his play into the prime areas better.

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We can agree to disagree. Miller to me has MUCH better skating ability and MUCH better puck handling skills than Dubinsky. Because of these tools he opens and finds himself prime scoring areas.

Dubi's board play was good but intermittently led to prime scoring chances, while I believe Miller will translate his play into the prime areas better.
I just think everyone's memory of Dubinsky is completely and utterly polluted based on last season. The year before last, Dubinsky was a two-way, top penalty killer who scored 25 goals and 30 assists. At the time, it looked like he would continue getting better as well, as he had improved every single season in his career to date. Last year he had a bad year and only scored 30 points and now a kid who has never played in the NHL is "much better" at doing things he's yet to ever actually do in this league. If JT Miller ever puts up 55 points in the NHL while penalty killing as much as Dubinsky and being as physical, we should consider ourselves absolutely blessed. Additionally, consider the fact that I said, at minimum, I see Miller as a similar player to what Dubinsky IS and at best I see him becoming the player we hoped Dubi WOULD BE. That player, if you'll remember two seasons back when Dubinsky's career path had been 40 points as a rookie, 41 as a sophomore, 44 in 69 games as a junior and 54 just last year, we were all thinking 60+ points, gritty, physical, two-way player in his peak. If Miller can achieve that, he'll be a tremendously valuable asset. Either way, I think Dubinsky is a much, much closer comparison than PATRICK KANE.

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Miller's upside is a more consistent Dubi. If he can become a consistent 25-25 Dubi, everybody should be thrilled.

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02-05-2013, 06:58 AM
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Spot on.

As much as people talk about us missing Prust, what's also true is that the Rangers really missed Dubi being able to take that next step.

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Spot on.

As much as people talk about us missing Prust, what's also true is that the Rangers really missed Dubi being able to take that next step.
Agreed, but that's just the way things work. We also missed Prucha taking the next step and becoming a real 30g scorer, etc, etc. We'd be in better shape if Dubi could've become a 60 point guy here (our LW depth would go from subpar to good, or our center depth would go from good to awesome), but it just wasn't meant to be sadly.

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JT's game is molded around the pro game. Strong board work, responsible defensive positioning and winning puck battles. And he can bury it when given the chance. I expect him to play well.
A kid who gets a shot in the NHL -- definitely -- more than anything else must be able to get on the ice and make good plays so that they feel good about themselves. What needs to be done differs from all players and types, but that play that makes everyone pat their back when they get back to the bench is so darn important. As opposed to how darn dangerous it is when you get a kid up to the NHL and he just becomes anonomyous.

Its like no kid ever really is ready for the NHL before you have played here for a couple of years, but that you can overcome that with the adrenaline rush and excitment that you can get as a rookie. And when a kid comes in and isn't able to stick out and becomes kind of passive, it just becomes very hard for that kid to stick.

I think it will help JT Miller alot that he not only has the abilitys described above, he is also very fearless with the puck and will at any level from time to time catch D's off guard and take the puck to the net and challenge people 1 on 1. You don't see that often in the NHL, and if Miller pulls of a move or two in that mold it will stick out alot and raise alot of eye browns.

I think Miller will need more time. But who knows, in a perfect environments he got things in him the typical player ourside the NHL does not have.

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This is a cup of coffee for Miller. A way for the Rangers to give him a pat on the back before returning him to his lessons with Schony and Co.. Could lightning strike? Maybe. I'm not counting on it. He'll be a Ranger for keeps before too long anyway, imo.

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Miller's upside is a more consistent Dubi. If he can become a consistent 25-25 Dubi, everybody should be thrilled.
Yeah, but he is also a little smarter and more responsible both ways than Dubinsky.

Dubinsky wasn't a floater, but he had bit of a real bad amaturish aura around his defensive game that I am sure drove both Renney and Torts nuts. When Dubi could follow through on back checks and what not he got it done. He was good around the boards and learned the PKing game. But you often saw him scramble to just to pick up a player so that he wouldn't be blamed if something happend. He definitely wasn't able to think the center game at a world class level. Don't misunderstand me, I liked him and he had other qualities.

But Miller's thinking process overall is definitely higher than Dubinsky's. I remember seeing someone ask why Miller is used as a center, but I don't remember where, but that's definitely the reason for that. A center can almost always be used as a winger, but a ton of wingers could never be used as a center because you really need to have grown into the game as a center to learn how to controll and adjust to the game around him in a split of a second mode. It is just rare to find a player as smart and as talented as Miller, hence you don't want him to loose his center game by not being played there for a couple of years. He could very well end up on the wing and I think that's optimal early in his career in the NHL, but I rather see him being played at center in the AHL right now because if not we do not have that option anymore in a couple of years.

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A kid who gets a shot in the NHL -- definitely -- more than anything else must be able to get on the ice and make good plays so that they feel good about themselves. What needs to be done differs from all players and types, but that play that makes everyone pat their back when they get back to the bench is so darn important. As opposed to how darn dangerous it is when you get a kid up to the NHL and he just becomes anonomyous.

Its like no kid ever really is ready for the NHL before you have played here for a couple of years, but that you can overcome that with the adrenaline rush and excitment that you can get as a rookie. And when a kid comes in and isn't able to stick out and becomes kind of passive, it just becomes very hard for that kid to stick.

I think it will help JT Miller alot that he not only has the abilitys described above, he is also very fearless with the puck and will at any level from time to time catch D's off guard and take the puck to the net and challenge people 1 on 1. You don't see that often in the NHL, and if Miller pulls of a move or two in that mold it will stick out alot and raise alot of eye browns.

I think Miller will need more time. But who knows, in a perfect environments he got things in him the typical player ourside the NHL does not have.
Totally agree Ola. What ever "IT" is, Miller has it. Not in the sense of a super prospect. More in the way of attitude and focus. Miller is TCB all the way. The guy has NHL written all over him. If the Rangers did not think that, no way a 19 year old kid gets a shot. Pretty amazing actually.

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The Rangers need Miller to take that next step in the AHL before giving him a full-time gig in the NHL. He has good strength for his age so by the time he is 20 or 21 he will be very strong but they are hoping he can provide some offense in the future. Let him develop that offensive game in the AHL getting major minutes on the PK and PP.

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