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02-04-2013, 09:47 PM
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Coyotes-Flyers

Phoenix Adds:
Brayden Schenn
Jakub Voracek
Conditional 1st (Ekman-Larsson resigns in Philly, 3rd if offer-sheeted or holdout)

Philadelphia Adds:
Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Shane Doan

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02-04-2013, 09:52 PM
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Oliver Ekman-Larsson will not be traded unless an established, young #1C is coming back.

I feel like this needs to be pasted in every OEL trade thread.

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02-04-2013, 09:54 PM
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Phoenix Adds:
Brayden Schenn
Jakub Voracek
Conditional 1st (Ekman-Larsson resigns in Philly, 3rd if offer-sheeted or holdout)

Philadelphia Adds:
Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Shane Doan
I fail to see a reason why Phoenix would entertain the notion of even considering this. This is utter garbage.

If you were Phoenix, would you seriously do this? Don't lie.

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02-04-2013, 09:57 PM
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02-04-2013, 09:57 PM
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In what universe does Phoenix trade OEL? You just do not trade young #1 dmen with Norris potential. And if you do Giroux is going the other way at a minimum.

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02-04-2013, 09:59 PM
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That's not enough to get you OEL alone, and then PHX adds their captain and biggest heart and soul player too?

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Phoenix Adds:
Brayden Schenn
Jakub Voracek
Conditional 1st (Ekman-Larsson resigns in Philly, 3rd if offer-sheeted or holdout)

Philadelphia Adds:
Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Shane Doan


Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but did you just offer up Brayden Schenn and Jakub Voracek + a conditional pick for the face of the Coyotes franchise and the future face of the Coyotes franchise. Philly gets two front line NHL contributors NOW, Phoenix gets a younger RW with upside and a big time MAYBE prospect in Schenn. This deal makes Phoenix worse now and in the future.


Not even enough for OEL alone.

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Oliver Ekman-Larsson will not be traded unless an established, young #1C is coming back.

Close by no cigar, the correct answer is OEL will not be traded.

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02-04-2013, 11:04 PM
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Phoenix Adds:
Brayden Schenn
Jakub Voracek
Conditional 1st (Ekman-Larsson resigns in Philly, 3rd if offer-sheeted or holdout)

Philadelphia Adds:
Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Shane Doan
That's cute, now let me try.

Phoenix Adds:
Claude Giroux
Sean Couturier

Philadelphia Adds:
David Rundblad
Antoine Vermette
Conditional 2nd (1st if they miss the playoffs).

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02-04-2013, 11:08 PM
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Yikes. The Nordiques, I mean Coyotes get ripped hard. Best two players in the deal go to Philly.

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Wow, does Phoenix ever get reamed.

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02-04-2013, 11:12 PM
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In what universe does Phoenix trade OEL? You just do not trade young #1 dmen with Norris potential. And if you do Giroux is going the other way at a minimum.
Well this is as ridiculous as the initial trade offer. Giroux is considerably more valuable than OEL especially considering both their contract situations.

Okay maybe not as ridiculous as the initial trade but still ridiculous.

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02-04-2013, 11:15 PM
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i wouldn't even do OEL alone for that package.

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In what universe does Phoenix trade OEL? You just do not trade young #1 dmen with Norris potential. And if you do Giroux is going the other way at a minimum.
you can't try to exploit something for being ridiculous and then go on to suggest something more ridiculous than what was originally stated.

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This is basically trading Mike Richards and Jeff Carter minus a 2nd round pick and a Wayne Simmonds for OEL and a 37 Y/O Forward with a terrible cap hit and 4 years left on his contract.

I'm not arguing that PHX should do it because OEL should not be traded. However the fact that this is getting laughed at is ridiculous. Shane Doan is worth more to PHX then anyone else outside of PHX that contract is a burden on a team at the cap and he's been with the same franchise forever. However Phi may have a top 10 pick this year + Brayden Schenn + Voracek is the main return we got for both of our franchise centers 2 off seasons ago. Again minus Wayne Simmonds and a 2nd round pick (flipped for Nick Grossmann). It's laughable that OEL who isn't even a top 10 player at his position would return such a bounty.

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02-05-2013, 01:17 AM
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In what universe does Phoenix trade OEL? You just do not trade young #1 dmen with Norris potential. And if you do Giroux is going the other way at a minimum.
Will you stop mentioning Giroux in trades? There is no way OEL gets "Giroux at a minimum."

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02-05-2013, 01:24 AM
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Would trade Eberle for OEL.

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02-05-2013, 03:32 AM
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Will you stop mentioning Giroux in trades? There is no way OEL gets "Giroux at a minimum."
That's the caliber of player it would take to get that conversation going. Original deal is awful.

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02-05-2013, 07:04 AM
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In what universe does Phoenix trade OEL? You just do not trade young #1 dmen with Norris potential. And if you do Giroux is going the other way at a minimum.
Giroux at a minimum? Stop please.

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02-05-2013, 07:09 AM
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That's the caliber of player it would take to get that conversation going. Original deal is awful.
No, it really wouldn't take that type of player to get the conversation going. Giroux > OEL AINEC.

It would take Couturier+++ to get conversations going because OEL is an excellent defenseman, but it's simply ridiculous that some of you are suggesting it would take Giroux+ or the Flyers would have to offer Giroux just to get the Coyotes to listen.

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02-05-2013, 07:11 AM
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the Flyers can just offersheet OEL. Will the rest of the league pony up more money just to keep a player off the Flyers? I am sure Jeremy Jacobs would love to donate millions more just for that.

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This is basically trading Mike Richards and Jeff Carter minus a 2nd round pick and a Wayne Simmonds for OEL and a 37 Y/O Forward with a terrible cap hit and 4 years left on his contract.

I'm not arguing that PHX should do it because OEL should not be traded. However the fact that this is getting laughed at is ridiculous. Shane Doan is worth more to PHX then anyone else outside of PHX that contract is a burden on a team at the cap and he's been with the same franchise forever. However Phi may have a top 10 pick this year + Brayden Schenn + Voracek is the main return we got for both of our franchise centers 2 off seasons ago. Again minus Wayne Simmonds and a 2nd round pick (flipped for Nick Grossmann). It's laughable that OEL who isn't even a top 10 player at his position would return such a bounty.

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Stop ... you are putting Schenn and Voracek as Richards and Carter?

This deal is a joke for Phoenix.

I would take OEL over a few on that list easily.

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02-05-2013, 08:01 AM
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This is basically trading Mike Richards and Jeff Carter minus a 2nd round pick and a Wayne Simmonds for OEL and a 37 Y/O Forward with a terrible cap hit and 4 years left on his contract.

I'm not arguing that PHX should do it because OEL should not be traded. However the fact that this is getting laughed at is ridiculous. Shane Doan is worth more to PHX then anyone else outside of PHX that contract is a burden on a team at the cap and he's been with the same franchise forever. However Phi may have a top 10 pick this year + Brayden Schenn + Voracek is the main return we got for both of our franchise centers 2 off seasons ago. Again minus Wayne Simmonds and a 2nd round pick (flipped for Nick Grossmann). It's laughable that OEL who isn't even a top 10 player at his position would return such a bounty.

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Karlsson
Chara
Pietrangelo
Letang
Doughty
Keith
McDonagh
Edler
Suter
Boyle
Yet Flyer fans think Couturier is worth ridiculous things despite the fact that he's not even a #2 center ATM. OEL IS the Coyotes' best d-man (IMO) and unless their forced too, they have absolutely no reason to trade him for such an underpayment. Even if they were forced too, they could get a better offer. I'd say if they even considered an offer from Philly, it would start with Couturier and then Philly would have to add.

Oh and Schenn's value is lower than it was when he was traded for Richards.

Don't know why anyone would justify this trade. It's absolutely terrible for the Coyotes and they wouldn't do it in a million years.

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Hell, I am not sure PHX takes that deal just for Doan, let alone just for OEL. But both?? Unfathomably bad.

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Hell, I am not sure PHX takes that deal just for Doan, let alone just for OEL. But both?? Unfathomably bad.
What?

Are people serious here.

Phoenix wouldn't be able to file the paperwork fast enough if Philly offered Voracek or B. Schenn for Doan, let alone both those guys.

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Yet Flyer fans think Couturier is worth ridiculous things despite the fact that he's not even a #2 center ATM. OEL IS the Coyotes' best d-man (IMO) and unless their forced too, they have absolutely no reason to trade him for such an underpayment. Even if they were forced too, they could get a better offer. I'd say if they even considered an offer from Philly, it would start with Couturier and then Philly would have to add.

Oh and Schenn's value is lower than it was when he was traded for Richards.

Don't know why anyone would justify this trade. It's absolutely terrible for the Coyotes and they wouldn't do it in a million years.
Flyer fans don't want to trade the next "Ron Francis"

As for the Schenn brothers, they continue to grossly overrate their value - especially Brayden's.

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