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02-04-2013, 04:00 PM
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I don't get all the Seth Jones love for #1 pick... Way too many hyped big sized dman have disappointed and didn't reach expectations lately, especially offensively, some of them is too early to tell, but I wouldn't pass on Drouin or MacKinnon for Jones.

#3 Bouwmeester in 2002 (was ranked #1 almost all year)
#3 Barker in 2004
#3 J.Johnson in 2005
#1 E.Johnson in 2006
#4 T.Hickey in 2007
#5 K.Alzner in 2007
#2 D. Doughty in 2008 (That one is actually well deserved)
#3 Z.Bogosian in 2008
#4 A.Pietrangelo in 2008 (Another one deserved)
#2 V. Hedman in 2009 (Hyped like crazy over the year..now nobody would touch him to be ahead of Tavares, when a lot of poster here thought he was better than Tavares)
#3 E.Grudbranson in 2010 (too early to tell,
#4 A. Larsson in 2012 (Was also hyped like crazy, was the consensus number 1 at some point, too early to tell tho)

The 2012 draft was full of D drafted early too. We will see.

Very tall dman, with great skating and PPG in the WHL before his draft years, his scouting report reminds me of Jay Bouwmeester, textbook.
It's too early to tell on many of those players.

EJ has been improving and that injury imo was really bad for him.

Alzner isn't going to put up big numbers but he's very solid. Hedman has been amazing this year, obviously Tavares is still ahead. Bogo, too early. JJ may not have lived up to the hype but he seems like 1st pairing Dman, been solid on Columbus.

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02-05-2013, 10:39 AM
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Drouin is the best and most talented forward in the draft.

In terms of sheer talent that has come out of the Q over the last few years, I'd rank them as follows


Crosby
Drouin
Giroux

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02-05-2013, 10:45 AM
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Drouin is the best and most talented forward in the draft.

In terms of sheer talent that has come out of the Q over the last few years, I'd rank them as follows


Crosby
Drouin
Giroux
I agree, his desire is up there too.

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Drouin is the best and most talented forward in the draft.

In terms of sheer talent that has come out of the Q over the last few years, I'd rank them as follows


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Giroux
Agree as well

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02-05-2013, 11:25 AM
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I don't get all the Seth Jones love for #1 pick... Way too many hyped big sized dman have disappointed and didn't reach expectations lately, especially offensively, some of them is too early to tell, but I wouldn't pass on Drouin or MacKinnon for Jones.

#3 Bouwmeester in 2002 (was ranked #1 almost all year)
#3 Barker in 2004
#3 J.Johnson in 2005
#1 E.Johnson in 2006
#4 T.Hickey in 2007
#5 K.Alzner in 2007
#2 D. Doughty in 2008 (That one is actually well deserved)
#3 Z.Bogosian in 2008
#4 A.Pietrangelo in 2008 (Another one deserved)
#2 V. Hedman in 2009 (Hyped like crazy over the year..now nobody would touch him to be ahead of Tavares, when a lot of poster here thought he was better than Tavares)
#3 E.Grudbranson in 2010 (too early to tell,
#4 A. Larsson in 2012 (Was also hyped like crazy, was the consensus number 1 at some point, too early to tell tho)

The 2012 draft was full of D drafted early too. We will see.

Very tall dman, with great skating and PPG in the WHL before his draft years, his scouting report reminds me of Jay Bouwmeester, textbook.
Seth Jones has more tools that all of those guys. I don't recall anybody in that group that could do as much during their draft year what he can already do in terms of all-around skill set.

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02-06-2013, 09:39 PM
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Drouin is the best and most talented forward in the draft.

In terms of sheer talent that has come out of the Q over the last few years, I'd rank them as follows


Crosby
Drouin
Giroux
Yup, he should easily go first overall in my opinion..

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02-06-2013, 10:00 PM
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Seth Jones has more tools that all of those guys. I don't recall anybody in that group that could do as much during their draft year what he can already do in terms of all-around skill set.
Its really a matter of opinion anyways. I dont like drafting D-man early for the reasons that have been stated which is even the good players dont turn out great. It takes a while for them to develop and a handful are stars. I like Drouin to the NYI at number 3 overall but believe he is the best player in the draft

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02-07-2013, 06:43 AM
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From watching both MacKinnon and Drouin since they became Mooseheads I am comfortable saying that Drouin has been playing above MacKinnon for quite some time now. The guy is just magic every time he has the puck.

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Its really a matter of opinion anyways. I dont like drafting D-man early for the reasons that have been stated which is even the good players dont turn out great. It takes a while for them to develop and a handful are stars. I like Drouin to the NYI at number 3 overall but believe he is the best player in the draft
This.
A smart GM will draft a top forward with the 1st pick and a Dman from the Q (usually underrated) with the second pick.

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I went to the game last night against Rimouski, and Drouin was easily our best forward on the ice. He was always in position, including going to the front of the net to tuck it in for his 2nd of the game.. He made some fancy plays, but nothing that coughed up the puck.. He was able to play the body a few times in the corner, and when it was him getting hit he was back up in a split-second and instantly back in the play.. When the game went to a shootout, he was so clutch.. if he had missed, they could have won on the next shot. Him and Weegar were truly the deciding factors of the game.

Then we get to MacKinnon.. He seemed so disorganized during the game, always wanting to be "the guy".. His speed was sensational, and he wasn't afraid to muck it up in the corner.. but when it came to having the puck.. he was flat. I was truly disappointed with him, which lately, I find myself feeling more and more. He managed to score, but it was really a fluke.. he fell, made a desperation shot that went in off the Rimouski players skate. When it came time for the shootout, he was first up and missed. He tried to be fancy and just lost track of his shot. In a game as big as this was, the 1st and 2nd ranked teams against each other.. You basically expect your star player to bring his A-game.. and he really didn't.

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Not really. It all depends who wins the lottery. Edmonton would take Jones if they're smart. But a team like Toronto, who has a decent pool of young d-men, would likely take Mackinnon over Jones (or Drouin depending how the team views the two prospects).
What makes you think Toronto addresses their needs? They showed a disregard for positional needs last summer and went with their BPA.

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This.
A smart GM will draft a top forward with the 1st pick and a Dman from the Q (usually underrated) with the second pick.
No!
A smart general manager will select who he and his army of scouts deem as the best prospect in the draft.

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Drouin hype train since he and MacKinnon tore it up in the playoffs (had him 4th early in Sept)

I just think it's a remarkable draft considering the top 3, Jones who was my pick early in the year, and MacKinnon are legitimate first overall picks in any year

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02-07-2013, 08:28 AM
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I think Drouin is easily the best skating, high end offensive talent in the draft. MacKinnon, Barkov, and Lindholm will all be what I think are safe picks, but they are much different players.

Drouin reminds me of Parise, only arguably more skilled. His skating, hands, vision and hockey IQ are off the charts great.

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At this point, I actually expect Seth Jones to be the first overall pick. He's the most dominating player.

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I went to the game last night against Rimouski, and Drouin was easily our best forward on the ice. He was always in position, including going to the front of the net to tuck it in for his 2nd of the game.. He made some fancy plays, but nothing that coughed up the puck.. He was able to play the body a few times in the corner, and when it was him getting hit he was back up in a split-second and instantly back in the play.. When the game went to a shootout, he was so clutch.. if he had missed, they could have won on the next shot. Him and Weegar were truly the deciding factors of the game.

Then we get to MacKinnon.. He seemed so disorganized during the game, always wanting to be "the guy".. His speed was sensational, and he wasn't afraid to muck it up in the corner.. but when it came to having the puck.. he was flat. I was truly disappointed with him, which lately, I find myself feeling more and more. He managed to score, but it was really a fluke.. he fell, made a desperation shot that went in off the Rimouski players skate. When it came time for the shootout, he was first up and missed. He tried to be fancy and just lost track of his shot. In a game as big as this was, the 1st and 2nd ranked teams against each other.. You basically expect your star player to bring his A-game.. and he really didn't.

Agree 100% with whats in bold. His speed was his only real bright spot, and even that disappears for games at a time now.

His puck control has consistently gotten worse, and it could be a combination of confidence and trying to over handle to puck IMO. It seems like he tries to stick-handle really hard on the puck if that makes sense.

As for him being a general disappointment, I agree that its becoming a trend. He seems to have lost his drive and is now on cruise control. Hopefully its because his team is so good he doesn't need to be amazing every game like he was last season, and that he will turn it back on again in the playoffs.

As for Drouin #1, it is surely a possibility at this rate if MacKinnon continues to play like this in the playoffs and Drouin outshines him on the way to a memorial cup birth.

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I went to the game last night against Rimouski, and Drouin was easily our best forward on the ice. He was always in position, including going to the front of the net to tuck it in for his 2nd of the game.. He made some fancy plays, but nothing that coughed up the puck.. He was able to play the body a few times in the corner, and when it was him getting hit he was back up in a split-second and instantly back in the play.. When the game went to a shootout, he was so clutch.. if he had missed, they could have won on the next shot. Him and Weegar were truly the deciding factors of the game.

Then we get to MacKinnon.. He seemed so disorganized during the game, always wanting to be "the guy".. His speed was sensational, and he wasn't afraid to muck it up in the corner.. but when it came to having the puck.. he was flat. I was truly disappointed with him, which lately, I find myself feeling more and more. He managed to score, but it was really a fluke.. he fell, made a desperation shot that went in off the Rimouski players skate. When it came time for the shootout, he was first up and missed. He tried to be fancy and just lost track of his shot. In a game as big as this was, the 1st and 2nd ranked teams against each other.. You basically expect your star player to bring his A-game.. and he really didn't.
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Agree 100% with whats in bold. His speed was his only real bright spot, and even that disappears for games at a time now.

His puck control has consistently gotten worse, and it could be a combination of confidence and trying to over handle to puck IMO. It seems like he tries to stick-handle really hard on the puck if that makes sense.

As for him being a general disappointment, I agree that its becoming a trend. He seems to have lost his drive and is now on cruise control. Hopefully its because his team is so good he doesn't need to be amazing every game like he was last season, and that he will turn it back on again in the playoffs.

As for Drouin #1, it is surely a possibility at this rate if MacKinnon continues to play like this in the playoffs and Drouin outshines him on the way to a memorial cup birth.
I'm glad I'm not the only one. Drouin seems driven and goal oreinted while MacKinnon seems coasting and content with where he is at the moment. MacKinnon needs to simplify his game and go back to the basics. Drouin on the other hand can just keep playing like he has.

I'm excited for Saturday's game. It would be nice to see MacKinnon have a big game against a rival to get the ball rolling again.

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02-07-2013, 03:30 PM
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it's certainly possible

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What makes you think Toronto addresses their needs? They showed a disregard for positional needs last summer and went with their BPA.
To be fair Toronto has needs on every area of the ice and I'm not even trying to make a joke here.. gonna be hard to tell if they pick BPA or for a position anyway

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Neither, Jones is the best OA pick.

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Drouin is easily the best hockey player in the draft.. But he doesn't bring the intangibles, and even though he's the same height as Mackinnon, the size and power of the other three (Mackinnon, Jones, Barkov), and that COULD hurt him at the NHL level. Drouin will be a beauty though, that's for sure.

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Drouin is easily the best hockey player in the draft.. But he doesn't bring the intangibles, and even though he's the same height as Mackinnon, the size and power of the other three (Mackinnon, Jones, Barkov), and that COULD hurt him at the NHL level. Drouin will be a beauty though, that's for sure.
They're both listed at 5'11 most places but on Hockey Canada Drouin is 5'10.75 while MacKinnon is listed at 6'0.

Regardless, there is definitely a height advantage for Mack.

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What makes you think Toronto addresses their needs? They showed a disregard for positional needs last summer and went with their BPA.
Rielly brings a need to Toronto, not as much as a center would have but still fills a need going forward, regardless drafting for needs with a top pick is never a good idea.

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So what is Drouin's realistic NHL upside? He kind of reminds me of Jordan Eberle. Or is he more Patrick Kane?

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