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02-05-2013, 09:51 AM
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This is terrible for Buffalo...

I hope Regier gauges Miller's trade value around the league, though. I don't think Ehrhoff will be traded after the contract he signed here, and I expect Pegula to show Vanek the money in an extension. Miller, Stafford, Leopold, and Regehr (if he'd waive his NTC) should be the guys that are shopped this year.

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02-05-2013, 10:03 AM
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buffalo should get stamkos

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02-05-2013, 10:06 AM
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To Tampa Bay:

F Thomas Vanek (7.1M per thru 13/14)
D Christian Ehrhoff (4.0M per thru 20/21)
G Ryan Miller (6.3M per thru 13/14)

To Buffalo:

F Cory Conacher (0.9M per thru 13/14, then RFA)
F Ryan Malone (4.5M thru 14/15)
F Benoit Pouliot (1.8M thru this season)
D Victor Hedman (4.0M thru 16/17)
G Anders Lindback (1.8M thru 13/14, then RFA)

Lightning go all in for at least a couple Cup runs. Sabres begin a comprehensive rebuilding process. Including Malone and Pouliot helps to limit Tampa's payroll increase.
Given the premise, this could make sense. But there is no way Yzerman does this:

1. We need youth just as much as Buffalo does with the aging roster
2. It really neuters our offensive depth for this season. We are losing 3 top 6 wingers in exchange for 1
3. If we were trying to get better for a cup run, we wouldn't deal players off of our roster.
4. Malone is our only power forward, its an area of weakness for the team.
5. Vanek and Miller are obvious upgrades, but they don't address needs.

Maybe if we were banging down the door and need just an extra push...but we've made the playoffs only once in the past 5-6 years.

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02-05-2013, 10:09 AM
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Holy hell this is beyond terrible for Tampa. Like I don't even know where to start.

This would be a buffalo fans wet dream.
What the hell are you talking about?

Tampa Bay gets the three best players out of the group.

You could argue Hedman > 'Hoff but he's not there yet IMO. Ehrhoff has been our best defenseman this season by a pretty decent margin.

Now I remember why I stopped visiting this forum. One team gets the three best players in the deal, the other team gets a bunch of unproven but interesting prospects and somehow the latter team gets a steal.

Chances are Conacher will never be as good as Vanek, Lindback will never be as good as Miller, and Hedman will probably end up being as good as 'Hoff (or slightly better).

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02-05-2013, 10:09 AM
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On a slight tangent, is Myers available?

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02-05-2013, 10:10 AM
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What would Tampa trade for just Miller? A 1st round pick would have to be involved, plus at least one other piece of considerable value.

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02-05-2013, 10:25 AM
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this is madness
No. This is HF!

How can everyone possibly be saying Buffalo gets fleeced? Tampa absolutely DESTROYS their offensive corps to get ONE good offensive player. We lose one winger from each line, to get a first line player. We already have (pretty much) two lines of first liners, why would we need more? Vanek, currently, is not a fit for Tampa Bay. And I like Vanek a lot.

Hedman is better than Erhoff right now. Even if you can say they are equal, what's the point in trading then?

Miller is better than Lindback. Lindback is not that bad. I would not completely gut our offense in order to get better in goal.

This trade is horrible for the Lightning right now. Lose three lines of wingers. All our depth would be gone. You don't give up so many players if you're in "win now" mode.

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02-05-2013, 10:33 AM
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Holy hell this is beyond terrible for Tampa. Like I don't even know where to start.

This would be a buffalo fans wet dream.
Counter-offer:

To Tampa Bay:

F Thomas Vanek (7.1M per thru 13/14)
D Tyler Myers
G Ryan Miller (6.3M per thru 13/14)

To Buffalo:

F Cory Conacher (0.9M per thru 13/14, then RFA)
F Ryan Malone (4.5M thru 14/15)
F Benoit Pouliot (1.8M thru this season)
D Sami Salo
G Anders Lindback (1.8M thru 13/14, then RFA)


Are we now even on the same ballpark?

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02-05-2013, 10:51 AM
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Counter-offer:

To Tampa Bay:

F Thomas Vanek (7.1M per thru 13/14)
D Tyler Myers
G Ryan Miller (6.3M per thru 13/14)

To Buffalo:

F Cory Conacher (0.9M per thru 13/14, then RFA)
F Ryan Malone (4.5M thru 14/15)
F Benoit Pouliot (1.8M thru this season)
D Sami Salo
G Anders Lindback (1.8M thru 13/14, then RFA)


Are we now even on the same ballpark?
Don't know how you managed, but that's even worse than the OP. There's no ****ing value here. None. That package doesn't get you a single Buffalo piece.

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02-05-2013, 10:52 AM
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Counter-offer:

To Tampa Bay:

F Thomas Vanek (7.1M per thru 13/14)
D Tyler Myers
G Ryan Miller (6.3M per thru 13/14)

To Buffalo:

F Cory Conacher (0.9M per thru 13/14, then RFA)
F Ryan Malone (4.5M thru 14/15)
F Benoit Pouliot (1.8M thru this season)
D Sami Salo
G Anders Lindback (1.8M thru 13/14, then RFA)


Are we now even on the same ballpark?
Wow, just when you thought things couldn't get worse...

You know seriously, the right thing to do with this thread is to just let it peacefully pass away.

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02-05-2013, 10:53 AM
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Holy hell this is beyond terrible for Tampa. Like I don't even know where to start.

This would be a buffalo fans wet dream.

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This is beyond bad for Tampa.
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but at the same time this is a trade buffalo wins easily if it's made.

I don't know what's worse. The OP's proposal, or your responses.

It's without a doubt, completely lopsided in Tampa's favor. Not even close.




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Biggest Tampa homer ever.

Buffalo doesn't do this deal
This.

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02-05-2013, 10:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack DiBiase View Post
Counter-offer:

To Tampa Bay:

F Thomas Vanek (7.1M per thru 13/14)
D Tyler Myers
G Ryan Miller (6.3M per thru 13/14)

To Buffalo:

F Cory Conacher (0.9M per thru 13/14, then RFA)
F Ryan Malone (4.5M thru 14/15)
F Benoit Pouliot (1.8M thru this season)
D Sami Salo
G Anders Lindback (1.8M thru 13/14, then RFA)


Are we now even on the same ballpark?
You countered in the wrong direction.

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02-05-2013, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack DiBiase View Post
Counter-offer:

To Tampa Bay:

F Thomas Vanek (7.1M per thru 13/14)
D Tyler Myers
G Ryan Miller (6.3M per thru 13/14)

To Buffalo:

F Cory Conacher (0.9M per thru 13/14, then RFA)
F Ryan Malone (4.5M thru 14/15)
F Benoit Pouliot (1.8M thru this season)
D Sami Salo
G Anders Lindback (1.8M thru 13/14, then RFA)


Are we now even on the same ballpark?
You took a crappy offer and somehow managed to make it even worse. Congrats!

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02-05-2013, 10:59 AM
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Tampa absolutely DESTROYS their offensive corps to get ONE good offensive player.
lol what?!

Losing Ryan Malone (a 48 pt player from last year) and a rookie who is benefiting from playing between two of the most dynamic players in the league is destroying your offense?

And to the clowns who think Vanek is a flash in the pan at the moment... the guy is 7th in goal scoring since the last lockout in '05 - above Nash, above Hossa, above Gaborik, above D. Sedin, above St. Louis, above Crosby, above Malkin, above Datsyuk, above Zetterberg, etc........

Hedman has been a disappointment to date, he's just starting to come around. Buffalo would be downgrading in goal.

This is a silly proposal. The Tampa homers are off their rocker...

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02-05-2013, 11:10 AM
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Amazes me how underrated Vanek is on these boards. He's a premier scoring forward in this league - one of the best, one of the most consistent.

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02-05-2013, 11:16 AM
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lol what?!

Losing Ryan Malone (a 48 pt player from last year) and a rookie who is benefiting from playing between two of the most dynamic players in the league is destroying your offense?

And to the clowns who think Vanek is a flash in the pan at the moment... the guy is 7th in goal scoring since the last lockout in '05 - above Nash, above Hossa, above Gaborik, above D. Sedin, above St. Louis, above Crosby, above Malkin, above Datsyuk, above Zetterberg, etc........

Hedman has been a disappointment to date, he's just starting to come around. Buffalo would be downgrading in goal.

This is a silly proposal. The Tampa homers are off their rocker...
Did you not read the rest of his sentence there? He offers a series of great reasons why Tampa would not make this move. Yes, Vanek is a great player and underrated around the league... but Tampa has absolutely no need of him. We are scoring freely and this trade takes every LW we have. For this reason it would destroy our offensive depth completely.

Tampa like what they have in Lindback and Garon this year, they have a crapload of goalie prospects coming through and as such won't be trading for a goaltender for a good while.

People get too touchy about trade proposals.

Hedman has not been a disappointment. But that's a different discussion.

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Amazes me how underrated Vanek is on these boards. He's a premier scoring forward in this league - one of the best, one of the most consistent.
Between Ruff's use of him as a net-front man on the PP and his asininely low icetime compared to every. Other. Comparable. Forward. You can honestly make a decent case that Vanek's point totals are deflated by 5-10 points per season.

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02-05-2013, 12:23 PM
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In what wold is this a good deal for buffalo. They give up WAY better players in Miller and Vanek in order to make a lateral move on defense and major downgrades everywhere else.....seems legit.

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02-05-2013, 12:24 PM
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lol what?!

Losing Ryan Malone (a 48 pt player from last year) and a rookie who is benefiting from playing between two of the most dynamic players in the league is destroying your offense?

And to the clowns who think Vanek is a flash in the pan at the moment... the guy is 7th in goal scoring since the last lockout in '05 - above Nash, above Hossa, above Gaborik, above D. Sedin, above St. Louis, above Crosby, above Malkin, above Datsyuk, above Zetterberg, etc........

Hedman has been a disappointment to date, he's just starting to come around. Buffalo would be downgrading in goal.

This is a silly proposal. The Tampa homers are off their rocker...
Hedman is our best player so far this season, he will not leave Tampa until we know if he is a top line defender or a Norris Trophy winner and even then SY will not move him.
We have by far the best offense in the NHL even with a little rusty Stamkos (don't look at his stats, they are better than he plays), Sy would be pretty dumb breaking up this offense.
The only way I could see Tampa and Buffalo trade this year are either 3rd/4th line players only or Eric Brewer for a D (Myers) from you (yes I know we would have to add to get Myers for Brewer). The rest of our D is either untouchable or has a NTC (Salo) or is called Brian Lee and plays to bad to get any interest from other teams (as of now)

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02-05-2013, 12:53 PM
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Buffalo
Stamkos
Hedman
Lindback

Tampa Bay
Ennis
Myers
Enroth
Stafford
Kaleta

Am I close
You didnt just compare Vanek to Stamkos did you?

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Lets see. Hedman is younger and better than Erhoff.

Miller is better than Lindback at this point, but older and the contracts make it a lot closer.

Pouliot is a throw in, Malone and Conacher certainly are not.

I highly doubt there is a single Tampa fan that does this.

I could see why buffalo wouldn't, but at the same time this is a trade buffalo wins easily if it's made.
I can't believe you really think your word, Vanek is one of the best foward in the league, probably in the top 10 and Miller is a great goalie.

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Hedman, 22yo > Erhoff, 30yo - Erhoff is better right now, but Hedman is big, strong and much younger and will continue to improve, which makes him more valuable imo.

Lindback, 24yo - 44gp, 21 wins
Miller, 32yo - 465gp, 255 wins, 7 seasons with 30+ wins, 1 Vezina, 1 First All-Star Team, 1 All-Star Team.
This is a brutal trade-off for Buffalo!

Conacher played just 8 games in the league - not worth much imo.
Malone, meh - 33yo, a couple of decent years left.
Pouliot, not too sure how to value him, doesn't seem like a top 6 though.

Vanek, only 29yo, star player - first line player. Best player in the proposal.

Buffalo gives up 3 very valuable assets and get 1 valuable + depth back (Lindback might have a great career but it's far from certain, can't give up too much for him).

IMHO Buffalo gets absolutely shafted!

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02-05-2013, 01:03 PM
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To Buffalo: Conacher, Stamkos. Hedman

to Tampa Bay: Adam, Pardy, and a bag of pucks

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To Buffalo: Conacher, Stamkos. Hedman

to Tampa Bay: Adam, Pardy, and a bag of pucks
Too much value, guts our depth, etc. Take out the comma and it's closer.

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Hedman is our best player so far this season, he will not leave Tampa until we know if he is a top line defender or a Norris Trophy winner and even then SY will not move him.
We have by far the best offense in the NHL even with a little rusty Stamkos (don't look at his stats, they are better than he plays), Sy would be pretty dumb breaking up this offense.
The only way I could see Tampa and Buffalo trade this year are either 3rd/4th line players only or Eric Brewer for a D (Myers) from you (yes I know we would have to add to get Myers for Brewer). The rest of our D is either untouchable or has a NTC (Salo) or is called Brian Lee and plays to bad to get any interest from other teams (as of now)
Ah, don't bother! You know, we're only happy if you guys are happy. Maybe we could throw in Grigorenko as well?

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