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02-04-2013, 11:16 PM
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Peluso

Will we ever see this kid in the lineup?? I'm hoping he gets a chance soon, as I feel the Jets are lacking in this dept big time. Fla and Tor have some big boys (Parros and Orr) so we could definitely use him in there.

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I would like to see what the kid has.
I don't want him to be on the bench in case Parros or Orr want a dance partner but I'd like to see if it was the right decision to keep him over Spencer.
A lot was made about that choice and we haven't really had an opportunity to evaluate him. Either way, I'm sure he'll draw in eventually, and if he doesn't its because he can't cut it and thus I don't want to see him.

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I cannot confirm, but I have heard that you must keep a player you claim on waivers for 30 days. The old CBA interpretation was hard to read.

I think it's possible once Wright became available the Jets realized that Peluso was the wrong move and are simply going to wait it out and put Peluso on waivers the second they can, let STL have him back for their farm team, since I strongly doubt that anybody else was interested. So perhaps in 12 days we will see him gone.

BTW, I really hope FLA Parros and we don't dress Peluso. That is an automatic goal or at least scoring chance for us when he steps on the ice, why bother engaging that tool when we have an advantage while he is on the ice? Those guys help us just by being in the lineup for the opponents...

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I cannot confirm, but I have heard that you must keep a player you claim on waivers for 30 days. The old CBA interpretation was hard to read.

I think it's possible once Wright became available the Jets realized that Peluso was the wrong move and are simply going to wait it out and put Peluso on waivers the second they can, let STL have him back for their farm team, since I strongly doubt that anybody else was interested. So perhaps in 12 days we will see him gone.

BTW, I really hope FLA Parros and we don't dress Peluso. That is an automatic goal or at least scoring chance for us when he steps on the ice, why bother engaging that tool when we have an advantage while he is on the ice? Those guys help us just by being in the lineup for the opponents...
I get that impression too.

The Jets nabbed Peluso before Wright was available and it is very possible they see Wright as a better option.

If they want to develop Peluso and save him for a rainy day, that's cool. I don't really get why people care if he sits. He is living the dream and getting paid a big league salary. I am sure he is willing to wait.

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Wright is a Center that shoots left.
Peluso is a Right wing that shoots right. Peluso used to play defense, but moved up to wing.
Wright is a Center that is playing on the wing (left if I remember correctly?)

Perhaps the assumption is right that they grabbed Peluso before Wright.
Though I would figure they have 2 different games styles, and Peluso just spent the summer @ Gary Roberts where he cut the waiting list on a call from none other than Al Macinnis.
It's WAY past my bedtime, but if I remember correctly he is now 6'5 ish and after Al's camp 242lbs with 11% bodyfat, and unlike Antro likes to throw the size around and mix it up.

I would hazard a guess that they picked these 2 up for different reasons. Probably trying to work with the kid and get him up to snuff. I assume one of their scouts had him earmarked as a grab if on waivers. Blues are not suffering for 4th line guys, so now we have a beast that they are trying to mould and shape is my guess.
I could be totally wrong and talking out my arse too.

Anyway, suit the kid up and let him loose. From what I read in the AHL no one wanted to fight him anymore as he kept pummeling the living crap out of guys, and managed to pot some points to boot!
Perhaps he is our Gordie Howe Hattrick Specialist...would be sweet.

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Wright is a Center that shoots left.
Peluso is a Right wing that shoots right. Peluso used to play defense, but moved up to wing.
Wright is a Center that is playing on the wing (left if I remember correctly?)

Perhaps the assumption is right that they grabbed Peluso before Wright.
Though I would figure they have 2 different games styles, and Peluso just spent the summer @ Gary Roberts where he cut the waiting list on a call from none other than Al Macinnis.
It's WAY past my bedtime, but if I remember correctly he is now 6'5 ish and after Al's camp 242lbs with 11% bodyfat, and unlike Antro likes to throw the size around and mix it up.

I would hazard a guess that they picked these 2 up for different reasons. Probably trying to work with the kid and get him up to snuff. I assume one of their scouts had him earmarked as a grab if on waivers. Blues are not suffering for 4th line guys, so now we have a beast that they are trying to mould and shape is my guess.
I could be totally wrong and talking out my arse too.

Anyway, suit the kid up and let him loose. From what I read in the AHL no one wanted to fight him anymore as he kept pummeling the living crap out of guys, and managed to pot some points to boot!
Perhaps he is our Gordie Howe Hattrick Specialist...would be sweet.
Ah yes but Thorburn plays on the leftside occasionally (examples when Peluso was practicing or when Scheifele was on the 4th line), so position doesn't matter much.

Everything else is a valid point, although I do think Antro uses his size well for board battles and getting infront of the net.

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I wonder if with the injury plagued blueline if he could get in a game or two on d... maybe even sub into the lineup for Wellwood as a 7D/wing

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Wright is a Center that shoots left.
Peluso is a Right wing that shoots right. Peluso used to play defense, but moved up to wing.
Wright is a Center that is playing on the wing (left if I remember correctly?)

Perhaps the assumption is right that they grabbed Peluso before Wright.
Though I would figure they have 2 different games styles, and Peluso just spent the summer @ Gary Roberts where he cut the waiting list on a call from none other than Al Macinnis.
It's WAY past my bedtime, but if I remember correctly he is now 6'5 ish and after Al's camp 242lbs with 11% bodyfat, and unlike Antro likes to throw the size around and mix it up.

I would hazard a guess that they picked these 2 up for different reasons. Probably trying to work with the kid and get him up to snuff. I assume one of their scouts had him earmarked as a grab if on waivers. Blues are not suffering for 4th line guys, so now we have a beast that they are trying to mould and shape is my guess.
I could be totally wrong and talking out my arse too.

Anyway, suit the kid up and let him loose. From what I read in the AHL no one wanted to fight him anymore as he kept pummeling the living crap out of guys, and managed to pot some points to boot!
Perhaps he is our Gordie Howe Hattrick Specialist...would be sweet.
Wright can play all 3 forward positions. He is big, will hit and fight if needed, and is very strong defensively.

Peluso can...fight. Yeah. If you can't beat out Ryan Reaves for a roster spot, that's just sad. Fighting is a meaningless skill completely. Fighting is good to inspire your team when you are down for emotional reasons...fighting just to fight that goons do is completely pointless. Being "good" at fighting does not matter, it's the willingness to engage that is the point. And the proper sense when to do it. Goons have none of that, they just fight to keep there jobs, reason dinosaurs like Westgarth, Parros, Orr are being flushed out of the league. Thank god.

Also, as for putting up points, Kevin freaking Westgarth put up better points in AHL. Hell Jean-Francois Jacques was a ppg player in the AHL. Even if I can't say for sure Peluso won't be anything more than a goon (although I am pretty damn certain), I can GUARANTEE you one thing, he will NOT put up any kind of points in the NHL. None. Whatsoever.

At best, we get Chris Thorburn part 2, IMO, maybe slightly more hitting, but less good defensively and offensively. More realistically, something like a less good Ryan Reaves, urgh.

Also you should watch Antropov more. He finishes his check quite often, and "mixes it up" by being a pest among the best in the league.

As for someone who suggested trying Peluso at D, I shuddered. Honestly if they try him at forward for a game or two, fine whatever maybe they see something I can't for the life of me, but handicapping our already weak D with someone like him, wow, that will cause our GA to skyrocket. Moreso than already, you can cover for a weak forward, a weak D will kill you (we should know that by now ).

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02-05-2013, 09:57 AM
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When Bogosian and Miettinen come back two players will have to go.
Assuming Scheifele goes back to junior, you would think Peluso or Redmond will be the odd man out.

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I wonder if with the injury plagued blueline if he could get in a game or two on d... maybe even sub into the lineup for Wellwood as a 7D/wing
I don't want him to dress unless he is better than the person he is replacing. He seems to be firmly entrenched as the Jets 14th forward and really I doubt he is better than anybody in the Jets top 13.

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Sorry for the length ....


Holden, it's obvious we won't agree on Peluso, and it confuses me how you've absolutely hated his presence on the team from the second we picked him up, but I just don't understand it. You said multiple times in recent time you want a big, physical team (that can play of course), much like the LA Kings. You rant and rave how the likes of Dwight King and most notable and comparably to Peluso, Jordan Nolan, boosted and gave LA new life, character and physical presence last season.

Could Peluso not have relatively the same effect for the Jets? even just maybe? They're the same age and Nolan just broke in a year ago. Looking at the numbers, I don't see why not, especially for a guy (Peluso) who was accepted into Gary Roberts' program and is in by all indications elite shape. Maybe he's not just a "goon", maybe he can be more. Even Jordan Nolan had what? 19 fights in his 2 AHL seasons. In 10-11 Nolan had 10 fights to Peluso's 15. In 11-12 in just 40 games Nolan had 9 fights. In 61 games for Peluso he had 16 fights. How are we talking one up as a "straight up goon" when their fight #'s are relatively comparable, and by no means miles apart.

Let's be honest, Jordan Nolan didn't light it up in junior statistically, though his numbers were respectable and in his final year he did score at a point per game pace, though that is the normal for a lot of players in their final year of junior. He wasn't even drafted until 2009, so he was passed over in 2 drafts. Obviously Nolan is the more naturally skilled, I won't deny that, though Peluso did play some defence by all indications. Even Peluso played at a near point per game in his final OHL season notching 11 goals and 22 points in his final 27 games with Brampton after he was traded there, while also adding 8 goals, 15 points in 21 playoff games. Solid numbers, nonetheless.

I understand Nolan was more of a power forward in Junior, and Peluso was used more as a grinding enforcer, but more importantly, what have they done since entering pro (AHL)..

I just don't understand. I look at Jordan Nolan's numbers in the AHL, 5 goals in 75 games (2010-2011), 9 goals in 40 games (2011-2012). And while the lockout was underway this season, he had just 2 goals and 6 points in 21 games for Manchester. Sure he played some PP and PK in his AHL time, but it's not like he was a scorer or it turned him into a PK'er at the NHL level, not even remotely.

In Jordan Nolan's 136 games played in the AHL, he collected 16 goals and 45 points, and 255 penalty minutes.

In Anthony Peluso's 181 games played in the AHL, he collected 15 goals and 29 points, and 318 penalty minutes.

Peluso in that time did indeed play 45 more games, had 1 less goal, scored 16 less points, and had 63 more penalty minutes. There are some gaps there, obviously, and obviously Nolan has more natural skill, plays a bit different of a game (or did in the AHL) but by all indications it is not by leaps and bounds here to the point where one is worth ranting and raving about and the other is talked down to the garbage you put out weekly for pickup.

I just don't understand why Nolan "can play" but you've been extremely angered, downright pissed off and disgruntled with the addition and flyer on Anthony Peluso, who in the grand scheme of things is fairly comparable to Nolan since they entered the AHL. Their respective games aren't eye to eye, but in the NHL it looks like they would both play very similar roles.

It's not even like Jordan Nolan plays a big, key role with LA and logs key, important minutes. Not even close. This season he averages 8:29 in ice time per game, doesn't see the PP or PK. He's much like Thorburn or Slater's even strength icetime for us. Truthfully, nothing too special.

Even last season for the Kings, Nolan didn't play on the PP or PK. A few shifts, but he was not a contributor on special teams. He averaged 9:20 in icetime per game in the regular season. And again in the playoffs, averaged 7:17 in icetime per game, was not on the PP or PK.

Why can't Anthony Peluso maybe do that, or at least get a chance before you chew him up and spit him out? It's as though you look at Peluso and think "goon", get this schmuck out of here. Yet he's 23 years old, in great shape and committed to the health/training aspect of the game, therefore I would say he takes the game seriously and maybe just maybe he wants to contribute in other ways than just his fists..... but you just write him off in the blink of an eye, yet are the first here to talk up Jordan Nolan, who, by all indications is your run of the mill checking winger.

I respect your opinion, but for you to be in love with what Nolan provided and provides to the Kings last season and this season, yet not even give Peluso the time of day to even show what he's got... i'll respectively never logically understand.

Lastly, and sorry for the long post, Peluso may and perhaps likely never will grind out a role in the NHL, it's quite possible. I just don't understand how two comparable pros in Nolan and Peluso are similar in a lot of areas statistically, yet one for you is gold and the other is garbage, get him out of here ASAP, nothin' but a scrub. I don't think it would be surprising to see Peluso carve out a role here in Winnipeg, much like Nolan has done in LA. Then again, maybe he doesn't, but I think you're very, very narrow minded on Anthony Peluso.


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I just remember how excited Peluso sounded when he was claimed - that he was finally going to get to play in the NHL.

Part of me would like to see him dress for just one game so he can have that experience.

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I was told he was brought in..... for the sole purpose of protecting Evander Kane............... not on the ice.....but in the bar when we are on the road (and also at home in Winnipeg bars).

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I cannot confirm, but I have heard that you must keep a player you claim on waivers for 30 days. The old CBA interpretation was hard to read.

I think it's possible once Wright became available the Jets realized that Peluso was the wrong move and are simply going to wait it out and put Peluso on waivers the second they can, let STL have him back for their farm team, since I strongly doubt that anybody else was interested. So perhaps in 12 days we will see him gone.

BTW, I really hope FLA Parros and we don't dress Peluso. That is an automatic goal or at least scoring chance for us when he steps on the ice, why bother engaging that tool when we have an advantage while he is on the ice? Those guys help us just by being in the lineup for the opponents...
But last game, Parros scored a goal for Florida and had a (successful) fight with Buffalo enforcer John Scott. Florida won decisively. Some teams. like Detroit, share your opinion. But many other very good teams feel an enforcer is necessary component of team chemistry.

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Good grief

Some of you are hating on a guy who's never put on a jets jersey. Are you paying his salary or something? He's hardly paid anything at all. How can you hate on a player you've never seen? Never mind that this kid brings some much needed toughness that we don't have. For those of you saying fighting doesn't matter - ask yourself why Lindros cut his career short or why Oveckin has fallen on hard times. Neither had enforcers and they've had to fight their own battles. Why risk injury to Kane or maybe Scheifele? How can you all hate on Peluso yet REFUSE to accept the limitations of other players/people on this club that play independent of a team concept?

If you're looking for potential news stories, here are a few:

Why aren't people asking about Noel and his lack of coaching experience or his dealings with young players? In Columbus, he did very little. Did they get better under his guidance as an assistant coach? Which current players on NHL rosters are singing his praises?

Why does Noel criticize our young players more than our veterans? On a number of occasions, he has criticized the work ethic of Postma just recently, Burmi and Scheifele last year. Why does Byfuglien, Ladd (the king of neutral zone cough ups) and floater Antropov get more ice time? Does anyone other than me recognize that Noel does not have a "role" for any player on this team? He shuffles these guys like a deck of cards when each player brings something different to the table.

Why is no one discussing Byfuglien and Enstrom losing the "A"s? Why promote a veteran like Jokinen who is new to the team?

Is anyone asking why Scheifele is still up with the team? Is it because the GM doesn't want to send him back to junior? Are we too cheap to just pay the guy his entry level salary? Are we creating unrealistic expectations for a young player?

How about Chevy's lack of trades and putting a stamp on this team? Why are all of our passionate players leaving this team - Stapleton, soon Wellwood (who can't stay in the lineup) and Glass (who never got a contract extension but rather went to FA and we tried to match at the last minute)? Why has he not pulled the trigger on any decent trades?

Ask those questions but don't knock a kid who hasn't even put on a jersey. Criticize the lack of effort put in by our GM and/or coaches for implementing poor coaching strategies. We're f'ing terrible on special teams and D. What changes are we making? Where is the 60 minute effort? Why are our rookies playing better than the veterans? There is enough there to discuss.

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Good grief

Some of you are hating on a guy who's never put on a jets jersey. Are you paying his salary or something? He's hardly paid anything at all. How can you hate on a player you've never seen? Never mind that this kid brings some much needed toughness that we don't have. For those of you saying fighting doesn't matter - ask yourself why Lindros cut his career short or why Oveckin has fallen on hard times. Neither had enforcers and they've had to fight their own battles. Why risk injury to Kane or maybe Scheifele? How can you all hate on Peluso yet REFUSE to accept the limitations of other players/people on this club that play independent of a team concept?

If you're looking for potential news stories, here are a few:

Why aren't people asking about Noel and his lack of coaching experience or his dealings with young players? In Columbus, he did very little. Did they get better under his guidance as an assistant coach? Which current players on NHL rosters are singing his praises?

Why does Noel criticize our young players more than our veterans? On a number of occasions, he has criticized the work ethic of Postma just recently, Burmi and Scheifele last year. Why does Byfuglien, Ladd (the king of neutral zone cough ups) and floater Antropov get more ice time? Does anyone other than me recognize that Noel does not have a "role" for any player on this team? He shuffles these guys like a deck of cards when each player brings something different to the table.

Why is no one discussing Byfuglien and Enstrom losing the "A"s? Why promote a veteran like Jokinen who is new to the team?

Is anyone asking why Scheifele is still up with the team? Is it because the GM doesn't want to send him back to junior? Are we too cheap to just pay the guy his entry level salary? Are we creating unrealistic expectations for a young player?

How about Chevy's lack of trades and putting a stamp on this team? Why are all of our passionate players leaving this team - Stapleton, soon Wellwood (who can't stay in the lineup) and Glass (who never got a contract extension but rather went to FA and we tried to match at the last minute)? Why has he not pulled the trigger on any decent trades?

Ask those questions but don't knock a kid who hasn't even put on a jersey. Criticize the lack of effort put in by our GM and/or coaches for implementing poor coaching strategies. We're f'ing terrible on special teams and D. What changes are we making? Where is the 60 minute effort? Why are our rookies playing better than the veterans? There is enough there to discuss.

Congratulation's for being the first person to lament the loss of Tanner Glass, seen and noted.

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Good grief

Some of you are hating on a guy who's never put on a jets jersey. Are you paying his salary or something? He's hardly paid anything at all. How can you hate on a player you've never seen? Never mind that this kid brings some much needed toughness that we don't have. For those of you saying fighting doesn't matter - ask yourself why Lindros cut his career short or why Oveckin has fallen on hard times. Neither had enforcers and they've had to fight their own battles. Why risk injury to Kane or maybe Scheifele? How can you all hate on Peluso yet REFUSE to accept the limitations of other players/people on this club that play independent of a team concept?

If you're looking for potential news stories, here are a few:

Why aren't people asking about Noel and his lack of coaching experience or his dealings with young players? In Columbus, he did very little. Did they get better under his guidance as an assistant coach? Which current players on NHL rosters are singing his praises?

Why does Noel criticize our young players more than our veterans? On a number of occasions, he has criticized the work ethic of Postma just recently, Burmi and Scheifele last year. Why does Byfuglien, Ladd (the king of neutral zone cough ups) and floater Antropov get more ice time? Does anyone other than me recognize that Noel does not have a "role" for any player on this team? He shuffles these guys like a deck of cards when each player brings something different to the table.

Why is no one discussing Byfuglien and Enstrom losing the "A"s? Why promote a veteran like Jokinen who is new to the team?

Is anyone asking why Scheifele is still up with the team? Is it because the GM doesn't want to send him back to junior? Are we too cheap to just pay the guy his entry level salary? Are we creating unrealistic expectations for a young player?

How about Chevy's lack of trades and putting a stamp on this team? Why are all of our passionate players leaving this team - Stapleton, soon Wellwood (who can't stay in the lineup) and Glass (who never got a contract extension but rather went to FA and we tried to match at the last minute)? Why has he not pulled the trigger on any decent trades?

Ask those questions but don't knock a kid who hasn't even put on a jersey. Criticize the lack of effort put in by our GM and/or coaches for implementing poor coaching strategies. We're f'ing terrible on special teams and D. What changes are we making? Where is the 60 minute effort? Why are our rookies playing better than the veterans? There is enough there to discuss.
Attributing struggles by Ovi and Lindros to the lack of an enforcers is a HUGE sttttttttttrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeetttttccccchhh.

Noel doesn't have roles for hos players? If you want to criticize him for anything it should be for sticking too firmly to the roles he gives his players.

Noel is very very deliberate about which lines start in which end of the ice and who they line up against. Any claim otherwise is just plain wrong.

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Holden, it's obvious we won't agree on Peluso, and it confuses me how you've absolutely hated his presence on the team from the second we picked him up, but I just don't understand it.
He must of kicked Holdens dog or something

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Good grief

Some of you are hating on a guy who's never put on a jets jersey. Are you paying his salary or something? He's hardly paid anything at all. How can you hate on a player you've never seen? Never mind that this kid brings some much needed toughness that we don't have. For those of you saying fighting doesn't matter - ask yourself why Lindros cut his career short or why Oveckin has fallen on hard times. Neither had enforcers and they've had to fight their own battles. Why risk injury to Kane or maybe Scheifele? How can you all hate on Peluso yet REFUSE to accept the limitations of other players/people on this club that play independent of a team concept?
No one really said fighting doesn't matter... just some argue that goon vs goon fights don't create anything more positive for one team relative to the other team.

As an aside: I personally don't agree with your Ovechkin or Lindros examples, and I'm sure that very few would agree regarding Ovie and that there was a lack of toughness on the Flyers then. We can all point out at star players that regressed/got-injured who did and didn't have enforcers, star players who didn't while enforcers who were there or weren't. Personally I don't believe enforcers create any sufficient protection or effective policing system, and we'd both be able to find examples to defend our views in the NHL, but neither examples would prove either of us correct. Agree to disagree will have to be the decision here as no one I think will prove anything definitively.

I highly agree that the kid should be given a shot before we - the fans - create definitives for him, but at the same time I don't believe players should be given chances unless management believes they deserve them and I don't think it's wrong for people to look at past performances relative to other similar players and have expectations.

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Why aren't people asking about Noel and his lack of coaching experience or his dealings with young players? In Columbus, he did very little. Did they get better under his guidance as an assistant coach? Which current players on NHL rosters are singing his praises?
Good question and interesting topic! To be honest I personally have not heard anything extraordinarily positive or negative in his past tenures, but I never have really looked either.

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Why does Noel criticize our young players more than our veterans? On a number of occasions, he has criticized the work ethic of Postma just recently, Burmi and Scheifele last year. Why does Byfuglien, Ladd (the king of neutral zone cough ups) and floater Antropov get more ice time? Does anyone other than me recognize that Noel does not have a "role" for any player on this team? He shuffles these guys like a deck of cards when each player brings something different to the table.
Postma's first game he deserved it, as he was being Clitsome in the d-zone.
Burmistrov has never been criticized for work ethic by coaching or management, in fact quite the opposite. A small situation was expanded by Lawless and turned into an ordeal, and Lawless added some things to stir the pot as he often does. I'm not wanting to get into it but if a mod wants to message me to ask/vet me about it I'm fine with that as I shouldn't say "I know things" and not back 'em up to a degree.
Byfuglien, Ladd and Antropov get more ice-time though because those guys make more with the ice-time than the others. Even with their deficiencies, they still end up better.

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Why is no one discussing Byfuglien and Enstrom losing the "A"s? Why promote a veteran like Jokinen who is new to the team?
It was actually discussed previously. I don't make much of it though. I'm sure the guys do indeed look up to the three for their own reasons... Ladd (Stanley Cups), Stuart (heart + soul guy) and Jokinen (oldest guy with most NHL experience on team). The loss of the A's doesn't necessarily equate to any negative feelings towards Enstrom or Byfuglien, nor does it diminish what they bring or their leadership. For example: Wheeler was a leader last season without an A.

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Is anyone asking why Scheifele is still up with the team? Is it because the GM doesn't want to send him back to junior? Are we too cheap to just pay the guy his entry level salary? Are we creating unrealistic expectations for a young player?
If Chevy (the one that controls the budget) was too cheap than Scheifele would have been long gone by now. Noel has just simply used him in the games Noel felt he should/could use him (doesn't mean I agree with him). In the end the GM decides who to keep up and down but the Coach believes who should dress... But yes, there is a whole thread on this.

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How about Chevy's lack of trades and putting a stamp on this team? Why are all of our passionate players leaving this team - Stapleton, soon Wellwood (who can't stay in the lineup) and Glass (who never got a contract extension but rather went to FA and we tried to match at the last minute)? Why has he not pulled the trigger on any decent trades?
Lack of results doesn't mean lack of attempts. As long as Chevy tries (and I think Ponikarovsky and Jokinen are decent enough results to look to be trying) and makes good value decisions is what matters. PS, Chevaldayoff in an interview said that Randy Jones was the only player from last season that they did not have discussions with.
*Stapleton will never have a legitimate NHL career. He's too east west and was one of our hugest (even more so than Byfuglien) defensive liabilities even though he was sheltered more than any other player on the team. His offensive abilities were exceptional and undeniable which is why he did so well on the PP and the KHL. His issues would have been magnified in our newly acquired top9 system, as it's now the Slater energy line that gets sheltered (which Stapleton would never be gritty enough for) and he would not beat out Ponikarovsky, Burmistrov, Antropov or Wellwood for the third line.
*Glass was offered a contract extension before he went to FA (according to WFP) but PIT (a stanley cup contender) offered him more. Personally I'm fine as Wright is younger and cheaper, and he had similar results as a 19 year old on TBL's shutdown line as Glass did in almost identical usage at VAN. I only think PIT offered as they were getting desperate since they are a team with only one legitimate bottom6 guy who can play a strong 3rd line role (Sutter).
Why hasn't he pulled the trigger on any decent trades? Whose to say there has been any decent trades? IMO a trade is for two reasons: moving areas of excess depth to cover areas where there's lack (currently we have no excess and plenty of lack, so I don't see how we could do this anyways) and resource optimization with trading away expiring FA that will unlikely be staying when the team isn't ready to contend (see Oduya).

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Ask those questions but don't knock a kid who hasn't even put on a jersey. Criticize the lack of effort put in by our GM and/or coaches for implementing poor coaching strategies. We're f'ing terrible on special teams and D. What changes are we making? Where is the 60 minute effort? Why are our rookies playing better than the veterans? There is enough there to discuss.
We do not know about effort levels GMs or Coaches put in as we're not there.
Honestly our PK has been subpar but not nearly as bad as the goaltending has made it look. Look how many mins we spent on the PK, and how few and weak most of the opportunities that one of the best PP teams in the league had... unfortunately 1/2 of every PK shot went in...
Our D is terrible because we're missing 1/2 our top4, there's probably only like 2 teams in the NHL that could lose it's #1 and #3 and still be fine.
60 min effort... Good ****ing question. I'm pissed about it too. I don't know if our rookies have been playing better than the veterans though....


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Wright is a Center that shoots left.
Peluso is a Right wing that shoots right. Peluso used to play defense, but moved up to wing.
Wright is a Center that is playing on the wing (left if I remember correctly?)

Perhaps the assumption is right that they grabbed Peluso before Wright.
Though I would figure they have 2 different games styles, and Peluso just spent the summer @ Gary Roberts where he cut the waiting list on a call from none other than Al Macinnis.It's WAY past my bedtime, but if I remember correctly he is now 6'5 ish and after Al's camp 242lbs with 11% bodyfat, and unlike Antro likes to throw the size around and mix it up.

I would hazard a guess that they picked these 2 up for different reasons. Probably trying to work with the kid and get him up to snuff. I assume one of their scouts had him earmarked as a grab if on waivers. Blues are not suffering for 4th line guys, so now we have a beast that they are trying to mould and shape is my guess.
I could be totally wrong and talking out my arse too.

Anyway, suit the kid up and let him loose. From what I read in the AHL no one wanted to fight him anymore as he kept pummeling the living crap out of guys, and managed to pot some points to boot!
Perhaps he is our Gordie Howe Hattrick Specialist...would be sweet.
I would love to see him get a chance just based on the Gary Roberts connection. There were some very knowledgeable people who thought that he deserved a shot and were willing to put the work into him. Likewise he was willing to do what it took to complete that training. Stamkos raves about the difference that the Roberts camp can make in a player, (but I'm not trying to make that comparison).

This alone at least makes me curious.


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Holden: I suspect they see something in the kid, other than a pugilist. Let me tell you, as a 6'6 guy many times the role of tough guy is foisted on you and that is the role you play as that is the role you are given.

Let us look at some factors here.
Peluso had to have some skills to get where he is, and I have seen him pot some goals on youtube, and his hands looked good, looked fairly fast.
2011/12 - he had 9 points in 61 games
2012/2013 - He had 11 points in 35 games
Potted a goal in 2011 playoffs 4 game run
So he is increasing in production.
This is a little further back, but 09 prospects tourney, he averaged a point a game in 4 games.
3G 1A on apparently 5 shots and 7PIM

Macinnis called Gary Roberts to get this kid in ahead of the wait list, so they must see some kind of upside in his game to invest that kind of time and energy in him. Jets wasted no time either the moment he hit the wire.

I want to see what they are going to do with the kid. If he has potential, and that is why I assume they grabbed him, I think they are trying to work with him a little to see if they can perhaps fix some holes in his game then stuff him out there.

I want to see him parked in front of the goalies, people are going to try and move him, and he will draw penalties.
Is he going to fight? Yeah I assume that he will be required to ring a couple bells.
Will that be is main role? I don't think so. If it is true that he had less fights and a drop in PIM because no one wanted to fight him anymore, that is perfect. It is going to keep other teams a little more honest out there.

I say let's give the kid a shot and see what he can do...we really lose nothing for trying.

As for Wright, sure he can skate, looks pretty quick, and generally looks good out there so far. You will not catch me complaining about that freebie.
Though fighting with the visor...

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I cannot confirm, but I have heard that you must keep a player you claim on waivers for 30 days. The old CBA interpretation was hard to read.
I don't think that's correct. If a player is placed on waivers and clears. He can be assigned to a minor league team as long as he hasn't been on the roster for more than 30 days (or played in 10 games) since he last cleared waivers.

There isn't any stipulation that he must stay on the team for 30 days if you claim a player, unless its new to this CBA. Brett Maclean for example was claimed by the Jets last season on Oct 5. Only played 5 games then was placed on waivers Oct 28th and reclaimed by the Coyotes.

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First of all, I don't like people telling me who I have and have not seen play hockey. Just because he has no played for the Jets does not mean it's his first game ever.

@Guerzy, while this is a good post and I respect your opinion, he does not play the game like Jordan Nolan, IMO.

Boils down to I really really hate enforcers. I want the others team to play them, since all they ever do is help the other team. I hate when my teams dress a player that helps the other team. This magical keeping other players honest quite frankly does not happen. Enforcers only fight other enforcers for no point, nobody is not playing their game thanks to some hulking giant that is sitting on the bench when anything happens since they can only manage to play to fight.

Maybe I'm completely wrong. Maybe he can play more. I really doubt it.

PS I know I will take a lot of crap if he plays one or two games solidly, but I always talk long picture. Don't see any more than a fighter. People told me Kevin Westgarth would one day be a 15g-15a 3rd line player since he could skate, was big and mean, in great shape, broke out in AHL his last year, all the same crap everyone is now saying about Peluso. Based on what I've seen and heard, I did not believe it then, don't believe it now.

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I don't think that's correct. If a player is placed on waivers and clears. He can be assigned to a minor league team as long as he hasn't been on the roster for more than 30 days (or played in 10 games) since he last cleared waivers.

There isn't any stipulation that he must stay on the team for 30 days if you claim a player, unless its new to this CBA. Brett Maclean for example was claimed by the Jets last season on Oct 5. Only played 5 games then was placed on waivers Oct 28th and reclaimed by the Coyotes.
I knew about the 1st rule. My source on the 30 days after claiming was shaky at best, thanks for the example that throws that out. I doubt any such 30 day rule has been implemented. Toss out that theory.


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First of all, I don't like people telling me who I have and have not seen play hockey. Just because he has no played for the Jets does not mean it's his first game ever.

@Guerzy, while this is a good post and I respect your opinion, he does not play the game like Jordan Nolan, IMO.

Boils down to I really really hate enforcers. I want the others team to play them, since all they ever do is help the other team. I hate when my teams dress a player that helps the other team. This magical keeping other players honest quite frankly does not happen. Enforcers only fight other enforcers for no point, nobody is not playing their game thanks to some hulking giant that is sitting on the bench when anything happens since they can only manage to play to fight.

Maybe I'm completely wrong. Maybe he can play more. I really doubt it.

PS I know I will take a lot of crap if he plays one or two games solidly, but I always talk long picture. Don't see any more than a fighter. People told me Kevin Westgarth would one day be a 15g-15a 3rd line player since he could skate, was big and mean, in great shape, broke out in AHL his last year, all the same crap everyone is now saying about Peluso. Based on what I've seen and heard, I did not believe it then, don't believe it now.



I knew about the 1st rule. My source on the 30 days after claiming was shaky at best, thanks for the example that throws that out. I doubt any such 30 day rule has been implemented. Toss out that theory.
I am not big on enforcers or goons either, and I can understand the reasoning of not wanting a penalty liability on the ice...the Jets seem capable of that all on their own.

I do think that the days of the enforcers and goons are gone, but I see nothing wrong with a guy that is going to get in someone’s face and take him to task for dirty playing.
Staged fights are not worth the time, but a legitimate get into the scrum and sort someone out is ok by me.

I hope you do not think I was telling you that you have or have not seen Peluso play. I assume for the most part that people on this forum are self eductated enough, have a love of Hockey and like to debate players, teams etc. We all know what it is like trying to talk to a non fan or a casual fan...their eyes glaze over as we postulate.

I also hope that he is not just a goon, and I cannot see the reasoning for the Jets picking up a goon. I like the risk/reward of picking this kid up, cost us nothing, traded nothing and we get all the rewards if he turns out to be useful. I trust that the scouts have some good things to say about him. I do not want to see a pylon on the ice.

I think I have now said anything and everything that I can about the kid.
We will have to see what happens on the ice, or off the ice for that matter.

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I am not big on enforcers or goons either, and I can understand the reasoning of not wanting a penalty liability on the ice...the Jets seem capable of that all on their own.

I do think that the days of the enforcers and goons are gone, but I see nothing wrong with a guy that is going to get in someone’s face and take him to task for dirty playing.
Staged fights are not worth the time, but a legitimate get into the scrum and sort someone out is ok by me.

I hope you do not think I was telling you that you have or have not seen Peluso play. I assume for the most part that people on this forum are self eductated enough, have a love of Hockey and like to debate players, teams etc. We all know what it is like trying to talk to a non fan or a casual fan...their eyes glaze over as we postulate.

I also hope that he is not just a goon, and I cannot see the reasoning for the Jets picking up a goon. I like the risk/reward of picking this kid up, cost us nothing, traded nothing and we get all the rewards if he turns out to be useful. I trust that the scouts have some good things to say about him. I do not want to see a pylon on the ice.

I think I have now said anything and everything that I can about the kid.
We will have to see what happens on the ice, or off the ice for that matter.

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