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02-05-2013, 11:42 AM
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Glad Krieder is back. He was the hardest player for the devils to matchup with in the ECF. I have a feeling Nash and him are in for big nights tonight

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People are a little sensitive on these boards. The disdain some posters developed for Dubi is incredible. He's only got 4 points in 9 games this year, on a really bad team with literally ZERO first line talents on their roster right now, so let's extrapolate that 9 game sample size and say that he's washed up and will never be a 50 point player again. I mean, absolutely, he may not, but you do realize what team he plays for now, right? Anyhow, that's not the point I meant to make. The point I wanted to make was that when I said Miller compares more favorably to Dubinsky (low end, a steady NHLer who can play 3rd/2nd line and is responsible defensively; high end, a borderline 1st line/ideal 2nd line guy with a good two-way and physical game) MORE SO than Patrick Kane, who I don't see Miller comparing to at all, it wasn't some kind of insult to Miller. Brooks Laich and Ryan Kesler are perfectly apt comparisons as well; I only chose Dubinsky because he's a player whose game everyone is most familiar with. But somehow, I compare one of our prospects to Dubinsky and people on these boards react as if I'm insulting the prospect. Everyone wants to come to Miller's defense: "what? Miller is miles better at this, this and this!". Okay. I'm not insulting Miller when I compare him to Dubi. Many of his attributes project a bit better, but Dubinsky is still a successful NHL player and Miller has to make the show and then produce before he can be better than him. I said his potential NHL game is CLOSER to a Dubinsky than Kane. I said that if he doesn't realize his NHL potential, he should still, at minimum, be able to be the player Dubinsky is today and if he realizes all of his potential he'd be the guy we all wished Dubi became, which is the consistent 55+ point player. Expecting more than that and comparing him to a finesse 70-90 point winger with world-class hands seems a lot more far fetched than comparing him to a SIMILAR player (albeit, one with his own deficiencies and differences from Miller) who grew up in the same system, with the same coaches, etc.

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Glad Krieder is back. He was the hardest player for the devils to matchup with in the ECF. I have a feeling Nash and him are in for big nights tonight
Kreider is back?

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I hope Miller doesn't light it up. DOn't get me wrong, I hope he become a great player for us, but if he now scores let's say 3-5 points in 3 games, the Rangers might feel pressued to keep him up in the NHL and not allow him to develop properly. Torts isn't one to trust the rookies with big minutes and things will get even harder down the road when the fight for the playoff spots begin.

So in the end it's nice the get a glimpse on Miller in the NHL, but I hope he finishes the season in the minors, learns and comes to camp in August to win a spot on the team.

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02-05-2013, 12:01 PM
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Kreider is back?
Seems likely.

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02-05-2013, 12:01 PM
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Torts on JT Miller: "I've watched JT and his game has really grown..we want to take a look...but we want to develop him the right way, too"

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02-05-2013, 12:12 PM
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Kreider is back?
All signs point to it.

http://snyrangersblog.com/2012-13-pl...-play-tonight/

Bickel was skating with the defense.

Mashinter sent down to Hartford.

Without Kreider or Callahan that leaves us with 11 forwards dressed.

Kreider is most likely playing.

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02-05-2013, 12:15 PM
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I hope Miller doesn't light it up. DOn't get me wrong, I hope he become a great player for us, but if he now scores let's say 3-5 points in 3 games, the Rangers might feel pressued to keep him up in the NHL and not allow him to develop properly. Torts isn't one to trust the rookies with big minutes and things will get even harder down the road when the fight for the playoff spots begin.

So in the end it's nice the get a glimpse on Miller in the NHL, but I hope he finishes the season in the minors, learns and comes to camp in August to win a spot on the team.
yep godfordbid he helps the team right away and proves he is ready

nothing wrong with a young player getting a chance, look at all the kids that are up now in the NHL

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02-05-2013, 12:19 PM
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I hope Miller doesn't light it up. DOn't get me wrong, I hope he become a great player for us, but if he now scores let's say 3-5 points in 3 games, the Rangers might feel pressued to keep him up in the NHL and not allow him to develop properly. Torts isn't one to trust the rookies with big minutes and things will get even harder down the road when the fight for the playoff spots begin.

So in the end it's nice the get a glimpse on Miller in the NHL, but I hope he finishes the season in the minors, learns and comes to camp in August to win a spot on the team.
I'm all for developing prospects the right way. However, we are in a win now mode and if JT can improve our forward depth by providing a spark or some goals then I say let him play. I cannot wait to see this game. Cally was wearing a regular practice jersey and Torts will not reveal his lineup. Maybe it's Cally and not CK that is in tonight. hmmm.

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If Miller produces, the Rangers would be wrong to keep him up? Makes no sense. If he's ready he's ready. If he isn't they'll send him back.

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All signs point to it.

http://snyrangersblog.com/2012-13-pl...-play-tonight/

Bickel was skating with the defense.

Mashinter sent down to Hartford.

Without Kreider or Callahan that leaves us with 11 forwards dressed.

Kreider is most likely playing.
Is he playing though?

They returned the undersized Benn Ferriero to the AHL affiliate, sent the newly-acquired Palmieri straight to Hartford and assigned Callahan and Kreider to injured reserve to stay under the NHL’s 23-man roster limit, though after Tuesday’s game, both players will be eligible to return when healthy.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ho...#ixzz2K3DmyRyN

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Be careful with the expectations on this kid. Remember he was a good (but not great) player in the WJC just a few months ago. He hasn't had a great year with CT. He's been a fine player but expecting him to produce at the NHL level or to really even have much of a chance of sticking on this roster is a stretch in my eyes. I'd love to see it happen but I don't expect it at all. MPF24 is definitely right in that Miller is closer to Dubinsky than Kane, I don't get why he's getting heat for that. A lot of guys look great offensively in juniors but have a hard time translating it to the next level.

I like JT Miller a lot, but he's not going to be a high scoring player in this league. Dubinsky was the team's leading scorer not too long ago, I don't even know if Miller will come close. Dubinsky had better PPG at the junior level and wasn't looked at as a crazy talented offensive threat, so I'm not quite sure why people think Miller has been so much better in his development.

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Be careful with the expectations on this kid. Remember he was a good (but not great) player in the WJC just a few months ago. He hasn't had a great year with CT. He's been a fine player but expecting him to produce at the NHL level or to really even have much of a chance of sticking on this roster is a stretch in my eyes. I'd love to see it happen but I don't expect it at all. MPF24 is definitely right in that Miller is closer to Dubinsky than Kane, I don't get why he's getting heat for that. A lot of guys look great offensively in juniors but have a hard time translating it to the next level.

I like JT Miller a lot, but he's not going to be a high scoring player in this league. Dubinsky was the team's leading scorer not too long ago, I don't even know if Miller will come close. Dubinsky had better PPG at the junior level and wasn't looked at as a crazy talented offensive threat, so I'm not quite sure why people think Miller has been so much better in his development.
Exactly. I just want to see a guy who has his motor running all the time and competes at both ends of the ice. Not looking for stellar production on the score sheet.

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Is he playing though?

They returned the undersized Benn Ferriero to the AHL affiliate, sent the newly-acquired Palmieri straight to Hartford and assigned Callahan and Kreider to injured reserve to stay under the NHL’s 23-man roster limit, though after Tuesday’s game, both players will be eligible to return when healthy.

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Well, Mashinter was sent down this morning.

If you don't include Kreider and Callahan that's 11 forwards.

Bickel was skating with the defense this morning. So IF he is playing that means he's a defenseman tonight.

That still leaves 11 forwards.

Torts talked with Rangers trainer to confirm if Kreider is ready to go.

http://snyrangersblog.com/2012-13-pl...-play-tonight/

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All indications are he is playing.

Unless Tortorella was pulling a bait and switch with Bickel. And dresses him as a forward the last minute. He's trying to win the match up game today.

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Yup.

Miller was always more valuable as a center. He has underrated playmaking skills, he's responsible. The more involved and active he is the better he is.

Clark and Gorton had always said he's a center. I'm sure they weren't overly thrilled with the fact Plymouth liked to use him on the wing. Still think he should have gone to North Dakota. But that's water under the bridge.

Never understood where the "his future is on the wing" stuff came from. It wasn't from the organization, who continually mentioned he is regarded as a center.

Told folks he would be a one-two year player at most. The Rangers and Miller had an accelerated development path for him. When he was drafted he was a more well rounded, more polished player then Kreider was, who needed more time to round out his game.

The plan was put in place for this player before he was drafted. They wanted a player they could control ASAP. He agreed, he wanted an ELC ASAP. That's why he didn't go to North Dakota.

There is nothing about Miller mentally or in his game that suggests he can't handle it. He MAY not be ready to stay up. But he's close.

Recall, in camp last year, he was arguably one of the Rangers better players. And he could have easily made the club then.
Pretty much spot on point for point. Nice summation.

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My main concern about all of this is there doesnt seem to be any concrete plan regarding the depth (bottom 6 forwards in particular) than mashing a bunch of bodies down there and seeing what happens -- including our top prospects, one of which is a teenager. If JT Miller plays tonight, I have zero idea what he'll be asked to do and what role he'll be asked to fulfill. Im a bit miffed that Mashinter got sent down. He seems earmarked for 4th line duty, and thats clear as day.

Im all for giving Miller a taste, but Im not a huge fan of an experiment like this in a shortened season.

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Pretty excited to see Kreider and Miller both in the lineup tonight.

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I hope Miller doesn't light it up. DOn't get me wrong, I hope he become a great player for us, but if he now scores let's say 3-5 points in 3 games, the Rangers might feel pressued to keep him up in the NHL and not allow him to develop properly. Torts isn't one to trust the rookies with big minutes and things will get even harder down the road when the fight for the playoff spots begin.

So in the end it's nice the get a glimpse on Miller in the NHL, but I hope he finishes the season in the minors, learns and comes to camp in August to win a spot on the team.
This is not directly to you.
What's the difference here? People say that playing in the AHL will hurt kreiders development, but in Millers case,it's totally opposite?
Why?

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Excited to see Miller tonight. I doubt we'll see much of him, but you never know.

Also, very happy Kreider's injury looks to be (somewhat) behind him.

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This is not directly to you.
What's the difference here? People say that playing in the AHL will hurt kreiders development, but in Millers case,it's totally opposite?
Why?
Impatience, probably.

Kreider is 21 and has had a taste of playoff hockey. A lot of people refuse to believe that he still has a lot to learn and the AHL could help him.

Its a lot easier to believe that a 19 year old isnt ready.

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excited to see Miller play.

Big game for him.

Play well defensively. Play physical.

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People are a little sensitive on these boards. The disdain some posters developed for Dubi is incredible. He's only got 4 points in 9 games this year, on a really bad team with literally ZERO first line talents on their roster right now, so let's extrapolate that 9 game sample size and say that he's washed up and will never be a 50 point player again.
I didn't say he'll "never be a 50 point player again" but at the same time some people are using the fact that he increased his production to culminate in a grand total of ONE 50 point season, to try to insinuate that Dubinsky is more than he is.

Dubinsky has only topped 50 once in his career, which is now 5 full NHL seasons long and it doesn't look like he's on that pace this year either.

Dubinsky is what he is.... a 2nd/3rd line grinder type. He is not a plus offensive player. It's very, very clear that Dubinsky is not a consistent 25/25 player and if Miller is, that is great. Dubinsky is likely going to be more a mid-to-high teens goal scorer for the remainder of his prime (next 3-4 years) and there is nothing wrong with that either.

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This is not directly to you.
What's the difference here? People say that playing in the AHL will hurt kreiders development, but in Millers case,it's totally opposite?
Why?
Well, first of all its not like its the same people making those arguments.

Then there's the fact that these are two different players on different places of their career paths, plus they have chosen two quite different paths in the first place. Miller is 19 years old and has only played hockey in the juniors. Kreider on the other hand is 21 years old, is extremely physically fit and has a full three seasons of college hockey behind him.

Most people figure that Kreids doesn't have a lot left to learn in the minors, where as Miller is still very early in his development (physically, mentally, maturity wise).

There's just no comparing them. But tonight they both play for the Rangers


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I didn't say he'll "never be a 50 point player again" but at the same time some people are using the fact that he increased his production to culminate in a grand total of ONE 50 point season, to try to insinuate that Dubinsky is more than he is.

Dubinsky has only topped 50 once in his career, which is now 5 full NHL seasons long and it doesn't look like he's on that pace this year either.

Dubinsky is what he is.... a 2nd/3rd line grinder type. He is not a plus offensive player. It's very, very clear that Dubinsky is not a consistent 25/25 player and if Miller is, that is great. Dubinsky is likely going to be more a mid-to-high teens goal scorer for the remainder of his prime (next 3-4 years) and there is nothing wrong with that either.
The conversation is not about Dubinsky, and it's certainly not about speculating about the rest of his career. You say he topped 50 once in his career, it's an anomaly. I say he failed to improve from season to season once in his career, it's an anomaly. Lockout shortened season on a new (terrible) team is a year I'll withhold judgement on him in. However, I'm not saying I disagree with you regarding Dubinsky. The point is, Dubinsky has been a consistent 40-50 point player in the NHL all but once in his 5 years. Miller has not played an NHL game. Dubinsky, in addition to 40-50 points a year, is strong defensively and physically. It's far from a guarantee that Miller will be a 40-50 point physical two-way NHLer and while my hopes are that Miller will be (and I'm not sure how many times I will have to say this) the consistent high-end version of what, two years ago, we all hoped Dubi would be, Dubinsky is still a far more accurate comparison of his overall STYLE of game AND ceiling than the poster who compared him to Patrick Kane. Expecting more than a 2nd/3rd line physical two-way player from Miller is setting yourself up for disappointment but it's exactly what you just called Dubi. Can Miller be better? Sure. He could also never become as good. I think, ultimately, he'll be very similar with less intensity but more smarts and less of a puck possession game but a better goal scorer.

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Do people think Miller is likely to become a regular 20 goal scorer? Does he have the hands for that?

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