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02-05-2013, 12:30 PM
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The Kings top strength RW with Brown, Williams and Carter.
brown plays lw

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02-05-2013, 12:31 PM
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leafs should do whatever it takes:

grabovsky kulemin mccarthur
franson or gunnarsson
1st pick or 2nd rd pick
for
richards
carter
something
something

lupul richards kessel
frattin kadri carter
jvr bozak komarov

williams kopitar brown
mccarthur grabovsky kulemin
stoll penner

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02-05-2013, 12:33 PM
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Enough excuses. He has simply not performed in the NHL. There comes a point where potential becomes useless if you don't show anything at the NHL level.
lol thanks for ur opinion the kings are just fine with him as a backup Dean has stated publicly hes not shopping jb He is a important piece in defending the championship I ll take a stanley cup champion gms opinion over a posters in hb Again hard to show anything if ur only playing once every 5 weeks or so.

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02-05-2013, 12:35 PM
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lol thanks for ur opinion the kings are just fine with him as a backup Dean has stated publicly hes not shopping jb He is a important piece in defending the championship I ll take a stanley cup champion gms opinion over a posters in hb Again hard to show anything if ur only playing once every 5 weeks or so.
Jonathan Bernier had no hand in the Stanley Cup.

He is a below average back-up and hasn't shown that he could be a starter in the NHL. That's just reality.

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02-05-2013, 12:35 PM
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Again i watched the game and only one goal was his fault imo. 3 were on the pp so i dont blame him there Bad pk hurt him
Does not matter he has never shown to be a NHL starter or better then Reimer.
Actually the only time he has shown slightly more the Reimer is when James was concussed.

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02-05-2013, 12:35 PM
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leafs should do whatever it takes:

grabovsky kulemin mccarthur
franson or gunnarsson
1st pick or 2nd rd pick
for
richards
carter
something
something

lupul richards kessel
frattin kadri carter
jvr bozak komarov

williams kopitar brown
mccarthur grabovsky kulemin
stoll penner
NEVER happening we are defending a cup not selling for rebuild

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02-05-2013, 12:35 PM
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For reference, this is what the teams would likely look like:

Lupul - Kopitar - Kadri
Van Riemsdyk - Grabovski - Kulemin
MacArthur - Bozak - Frattin
Komarov - McClement - Brown
x: Orr, Steckel

Phaneuf - Gardiner
Liles - Komisarek
Kostka - Franson
x: Holzer, Fraser

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Brown - Richards - Kessel
Gagne - Carter - Williams
Penner - Stoll - Lewis
King - Fraser - Nolan
x: Richardson

Doughty - Scuderi
Mitchell - Voynov
Gunnarsson - Greene
x: Martinez

From a Leafs standpoint, I would do it in a heartbeat although the loss of Rielly makes me a little iffy. Obviously Kings fans wouldn't although I think their team still looks very good (assuming Richards can play like a #1 again).


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02-05-2013, 12:41 PM
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Jonathan Bernier had no hand in the Stanley Cup.

He is a below average back-up and hasn't shown that he could be a starter in the NHL. That's just reality.
jb won 5 game 2 against nashville without his 10 points la doesnt make the playoffs. He may not have played as much as quick ut he was a contributor to the cup winning team So nice try lol @ below average in the league if he was so bad as u continue to think why then would anytime be asking about him in trade talks you would think they wouldnt be asking for a crappy goalie who isnt even good enuff to back up let alone start Thanks for the troll post now on ur way

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02-05-2013, 12:44 PM
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Does not matter he has never shown to be a NHL starter or better then Reimer.
Actually the only time he has shown slightly more the Reimer is when James was concussed.
Again if bernier got the chance to play as much as reimer this would be a fair conparison but he hasnt so ur comparing apples to oranges. Wonders if and when bernier get a real chance to play and proves hes a good goalie if the leaf trolls will be man enuff to admit they were wrong doubtful for sure.

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02-05-2013, 12:48 PM
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not a bad offer but as a leafs fan I have zero interest in a) moving gunnarson and b) moving our 1st round pick. we need to keep our top prospects.

kessel, I'm a fan of his and he's improved every year with the leafs but in the right offer i'd pull the trigger.

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02-05-2013, 12:56 PM
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Again if bernier got the chance to play as much as reimer this would be a fair conparison but he hasnt so ur comparing apples to oranges. Wonders if and when bernier get a real chance to play and proves hes a good goalie if the leaf trolls will be man enuff to admit they were wrong doubtful for sure.
If Bernier has all this potential and hidden value ... LA would ****ing play him.
At worst it would show the rest of the NHL he is actually worth something.

It is not like Quick has been lights out all year.

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02-05-2013, 01:01 PM
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To Leafs: Anze Kopitar, Johnathan Bernier, Nick Ebert
To LA Kings: Phil Kessel, Carl Gunnarsson, Morgan Rielly

Why Toronto does it: Gives Leafs a new face of the franchise and a solid two way player. Also gives them a potential starting goalie and a project defenseman.

Why LA does it: Gives LA their best sniper since Ziggy Palffy while also giving them depth at the blueline which they are sorely lacking this year. Gunnarsson is quietly a very effective top 4 blueliner. Also LA acquires a potential stud #1 defenseman.

You have to give up something to get something. I think both teams benefit in the long run. Both teams also deal from a position of strength.
Why are the Kings trading their 1st line cup winning center who's in his prime on a longterm contract? Charity? We don't need a potential stud #1 dman we already have an actual one. You are offering up some nice players but just not what we need at the price we'd pay. Kessels contract only has a couple of years left and he could bolt on us (or we could pick him up as a ufa)

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02-05-2013, 01:02 PM
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If Bernier has all this potential and hidden value ... LA would ****ing play him.
At worst it would show the rest of the NHL he is actually worth something.

It is not like Quick has been lights out all year.
I think u forgot who is coaching for the kings So let me remind you its darryl sutter the same darryl suter that played kiprusoff 70 + games for the last 7 years He simply stays with one goalie and rarely uses his backup. Despite your opinion no they simply dont used there backup wheather that is wrong or not is one thing. its not about ability its about the way he coaches .

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02-05-2013, 01:07 PM
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It's times like these where I wish the lockout wiped out the season...

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02-05-2013, 01:20 PM
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NEVER happening we are defending a cup not selling for rebuild
thats not a rebuild
grab-kul are much better suited 2nd liners

you'll never get 1st line production from richards-carter on the 2nd line
plus those long term contracts are a headache
plus a good D and a good/great pick

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02-05-2013, 01:25 PM
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not the worst leafs trade proposal ive ever seen

kings say no
This for sure. No from LA but at least someone thought about this.

I'm used to leafs proposals being more along the lines of kopitar, quick, doughty, and Richards for Kessel + third

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Actually not a bad package, the thing is LA has a guy like Kessel in Carter, and a guy like Rielly in Doughty who, needless to say, is way ahead in development. They would be looking for a Kopitar replacement for a while after this.

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02-05-2013, 01:29 PM
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thats not a rebuild
grab-kul are much better suited 2nd liners

you'll never get 1st line production from richards-carter on the 2nd line
plus those long term contracts are a headache
plus a good D and a good/great pick
Carter richards are fine playing second line mins Dont want grabo' Hes not a king player at all.Plus hes a major down grade on richards in mine and according to the richard for kessel thread everyone but leaf fans. carter Just got to la we won a cup with him not trading at allNikolai Kulemin is a good player but a dowgrade huge on carter. Next martinez would play cheaper and better ahead of gunnerson. The only thing in ur prospal that interest this or most kings fan would be the first

please read this link as thread as to what im refering to http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1335407


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02-05-2013, 02:03 PM
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If Bernier has all this potential and hidden value ... LA would ****ing play him.
At worst it would show the rest of the NHL he is actually worth something.

It is not like Quick has been lights out all year.

Yeah because Sutter really cares what Bernier's value is. He's out to win games, best option is Quick. And Sutter uses his starting goalie for 70+ games in the normal season. So regardless of who the backup is, they'll only see around 10 games with Sutter. Easy to play in your top form when you play 10-12 games out of 48, right?

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No from Leafs. Swap Rielly with Phaneuf (or any Dman) and sure

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Kopitar is worth more to LA.

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Enough excuses. He has simply not performed in the NHL. There comes a point where potential becomes useless if you don't show anything at the NHL level.
so bozak kadri are trash and jvr is a bottom 6 winger. cause they havent shown anything at the nhl level.

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id rather just tank get our #1 center and dont have to worry about giving up a possibly franchise defenceman in morgan rielly. deal with kessel and kopitar possibly but no with rielly.

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To Leafs: Anze Kopitar.
Stopped reading after this. Nope.

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If Bernier has all this potential and hidden value ... LA would ****ing play him.
At worst it would show the rest of the NHL he is actually worth something.

It is not like Quick has been lights out all year.
Not really. Murray and now Sutter both believe that their starting goaltenders need to play a vast majority of the games and over-rely on them. To say the Kings won't start Bernier because they have no confidence in him is just wrong.

Quick has played well, and the Kings have had an abundance of rest time in between games which is why they are one of the teams that have played the fewest. Murray and Sutter only believed in using Bernier when there are a rapid succession of starts or back-to-back occasions because that's what they believe the role entailed via old school mentality.

I agree that he hasn't proven anything, but to say it's all over for him because the Kings play him once every couple of months would be equally as ignorant as saying he is a future franchise starter. The kid isn't being played because Quick is rested and Sutter believes that when your starter is rested, he needs to play.

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