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02-05-2013, 03:44 PM
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"Try to dangle through everyone so that when it gets taken away you can blame him for being selfish" for $400, Alex.

This Hodgson thing going on right now on the boards is fascinating to me. It's like some people are upset that he's succeeding, so they have to try to marginalize anything he's done. It's very odd.


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Siemens has top pairing potential? I find that hard to believe at this point.
Why would you say that? He was drafted 11th overall in 2011 and he hasn't done anything to hurt his stock since then. He plays a fantastic shutdown role and plays with an edge, he's also got the potential to develop more offense to his game. At worst I see him as a top 4 shutdown defender. To me the trade is Myers for O'Reilly and Siemens and a 2nd for Ennis. I'd rather have a shutdown all situations center that can pot 50-60 points than Myers, and Ennis is a small perimeter player who will struggle to score consistently at the NHL level, I'd rather have another pick in the draft and another young stud D-prospect, but hey I get people falling in love with their own players it seems to be the norm around these parts.

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As for Hodgson I've been very impressed. He's far from a "passenger" on the 1st line and I have high hopes he can refine the other aspects of his game that he's not currently great at.

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Ah yes the classic conversation stopper "you don't like my projections, you're just in love with your own players, even though my shutdown defenseman is suddenly going to gain an offensive game and the skilled forward who's produced at every level and doesn't actually play a perimeter game won't." Brilliant.

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This Hodgson thing going on right now on the boards is fascinating to me. It's like some people are upset that he's succeeding, so they have to try to marginalize anything he's done. It's very odd.
take a look on the Canucks board...

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To me the trade is Myers for O'Reilly and Siemens and a 2nd for Ennis. I'd rather have a shutdown all situations center that can pot 50-60 points than Myers, and Ennis is a small perimeter player who will struggle to score consistently at the NHL level, I'd rather have another pick in the draft and another young stud D-prospect, but hey I get people falling in love with their own players it seems to be the norm around these parts.
you would honestly have RoR than Myers who is the only players in OUR entire organization with #1 upside and has been a top pair defenceman for 3 years and has show flashed of dominance. RoR is great and is a player that we need but this is the classic case of "the grass is greener on the other side". Would I trade for RoR? absolutely, would I move Myers for him? not a chance.

Myers at the draft was considered long term projection who has done nothing but pass expectations at this point, I wouldn't get too down on him yet as he isn't close to a finished product. There have been many defenceman around the league that have struggled bad (Suter, Weber, Chara have all at times).

To me the reward of moving a player like Myers for RoR is not worth the risk.


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02-05-2013, 05:53 PM
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Ah yes the classic conversation stopper "you don't like my projections, you're just in love with your own players, even though my shutdown defenseman is suddenly going to gain an offensive game and the skilled forward who's produced at every level and doesn't actually play a perimeter game won't." Brilliant.
Siemens is 19 years old, his game is still developing. He's already a fantastic shutdown, hard hitting defenseman, his offensive game could come around he's got all the tools needed. As far as Ennis is concerned he's undersized and isn't very good defensively I just don't see very many guys at 5'9" 160 lbs in the NHL having a lot of success. I call him a perimeter player because he's far too small to get in the dirty areas to score goals so call it what you will. As far as people around here falling in love with their own players it's incredibly true and I've even been guilty of it. After a decent second half last year people already had Ennis tagged as a top 6 center and some people were even making Briere comparisons. I simply think trading Ennis now could cash in on some of the success he had last year and could potentially be trading him while his value is high. How many times have we been burned by guys with "potential"?

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02-05-2013, 05:59 PM
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you would honestly have RoR than Myers who is the only players in OUR entire organization with #1 upside and has been a top pair defenceman for 3 years and has show flashed of dominance. RoR is great and is a player that we need but this is the classic case of "the grass is greener on the other side". Would I trade for RoR? absolutely, would I move Myers for him? not a chance.

Myers at the draft was considered long term projection who has done nothing but pass expectations at this point, I wouldn't get too down on him yet as he isn't close to a finished product. There have been many defenceman around the league that have struggled bad (Suter, Weber, Chara have all at times).

To me the reward of moving a player like Myers for RoR is not worth the risk.
Fair enough. I'm simply not as high on Myers as others around here are. Trust me I'd love to be wrong about him. the offersheeting route would be much more desirable than trading Myers for O'Reilly, but Iwas just gauging just how much people would like O'Reilly on this team.

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17. Undoubtedly, the Gillis/Laurence Gilman eastern excursion was to scout potential trade partners and free-agent targets. The two conferences don't see each other this season, so you don't get that close-up look if you stay home. Don't forget, the Canucks pitched Cody Hodgson to Washington last season for John Carlson. Hard to see Capitals GM George McPhee parting with the young defender, even with that new hairstyle.
First time I heard that, I must've skimmed over that.
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24. Teams are looking for defencemen and the Buffalo Sabres have eight. But Sabres GM Darcy Regier says he's told teams, "Give me a reason to trade one." So far, he feels he hasn't received a good enough answer.

25. Regier's got to be unhappy right now, though. The Sabres' 2011-12 was ruined after they wilted against the Boston Bruins. Last week, they stood up to them physically, then came back to win after falling behind 3-1. But the weekend -- blown out in Montreal, beaten by Florida at home -- was such a disappointment. All of the momentum was destroyed. They got good return for Paul Gaustad last year, but have to replace him. Buffalo is the worst faceoff team in the league.

26. Martin Biron tells a great story about walking into the Buffalo room for the first time, seeing large photos of Rob Ray, Brad May and Matthew Barnaby posing as boxers and thinking, "What the heck is this?" It'll never be like that again, but the team is really trying to re-establish an edge. That's why they got Steve Ott and John Scott. It's why Marcus Foligno's development is so important. But they lack it on their blue-line. Teams are walking through their zone.

27. One opposing executive on white-hot Thomas Vanek: "He has Alexander Semin's skill without Alexander Semin's inconsistency."

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So it looks like we might need to start searching for a competent backup...I miss biron

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So it looks like we might need to start searching for a competent backup...I miss biron
I say with either go with Patrick Lalime, or this plastic shooting target;


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Alright so this seasons over time to prepare for the 13-14 campaign
-I'd take a good look at alex semin this offseason
-Give McNabb his shot with the big club
-Trade leopold at the deadline or sooner for a draft pick
-draft BPA in the draft, if we somehow win the lottery take jones

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Buffalo notes from Friedman's 30 Thoughts:First time I heard that, I must've skimmed over that.
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Buffalo notes from Friedman's 30 Thoughts:First time I heard that, I must've skimmed over that.
The team plays like a team without an identity. Friedman brings up a well known, but good point...Management has yet to really solidify a firm identity on this team since 2007.

The closest they came was in 2010 when the team was built around a solid defensive system with fantastic goaltending...Now they have various bits and pieces with no firm direction.

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The team plays like a team without an identity. Friedman brings up a well known, but good point...Management has yet to really solidify a firm identity on this team since 2007.

The closest they came was in 2010 when the team was built around a solid defensive system with fantastic goaltending...Now they have various bits and pieces with no firm direction.
Well, I think it's pretty clear what they have wanted their identity to be, but it's backfired. They wanted to be a team built from the net out, but since 2010, Miller has regressed, RR has regressed, Myers has regressed, Leopold has regressed, etc. When you plan to build a team with a certain identity, and then the players you are counting on and have paid to implement this vision fall on their faces, it's easy to claim management had no vision.

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Well, I think it's pretty clear what they have wanted their identity to be, but it's backfired. They wanted to be a team built from the net out, but since 2010, Miller has regressed, RR has regressed, Myers has regressed, Leopold has regressed, etc. When you plan to build a team with a certain identity, and then the players you are counting on and have paid to implement this vision fall on their faces, it's easy to claim management had no vision.
So they wanted a defensive team since 2010, and yet they allowed Tallinder and Lydman to walk. Blame ownership or management for that, I don't care, but it's tough to say you're trying to implement a defensive system and then allow your 2nd and 3rd best defensemen to walk, say nothing for failing to replace the difficult defensive minutes that Gaustad played, or the high amount of two-way minutes that Roy played.

In my estimation, the moves they've actually made prove that any indications they were trying to become a "defensive" team was nothing more than mere lip service. In any event, I don't think they were trying to become a defensive team. I think they desire to be a roster comprised mostly of "two-way players" with a few specialists here and there. In that regard, they've also failed.

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So they wanted a defensive team since 2010, and yet they allowed Tallinder and Lydman to walk. Blame ownership or management for that, I don't care, but it's tough to say you're trying to implement a defensive system and then allow your 2nd and 3rd best defensemen to walk, say nothing for failing to replace the difficult defensive minutes that Gaustad played, or the high amount of two-way minutes that Roy played.

In my estimation, the moves they've actually made prove that any indications they were trying to become a "defensive" team was nothing more than mere lip service. In any event, I don't think they were trying to become a defensive team. I think they desire to be a roster comprised mostly of "two-way players" with a few specialists here and there. In that regard, they've also failed.
Putting together a top defensive unit was the top priority early in Pegula's regime. They signed Ehrhoff, traded for RR, and locked up Myers long term. Didn't they re-sign Sekera in that off season too. When they had the financial green light, it was obvious a strong defense was what they wanted to accomplish first. Moves that took place before Pegula are don't matter in the current context.

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allowed Tallinder and Lydman to walk.
Your right, that was a mistake.
The majority of fans on the internet and radio wanted them gone. Couldn't like the team because of the stigma attached to it. Whatever sells papers.

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Do we attempt to sign Arnott? Get some stability down the middle?

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Do we attempt to sign Arnott? Get some stability down the middle?
Aside from faceoffs, he does literally none of the things we need. He'd just take power play time, sheltered minutes and offensive zone starts from the three centers on the roster who either need or deserve those deployments more, or get stuck on the fourth line and whine his way out of town.

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Aside from faceoffs, he does literally none of the things we need. He'd just take power play time, sheltered minutes and offensive zone starts from the three centers on the roster who either need or deserve those deployments more, or get stuck on the fourth line and whine his way out of town.

Langkow, however...
And it is unlikely he would want to come here I assume.

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Your right, that was a mistake.
The majority of fans on the internet and radio wanted them gone. Couldn't like the team because of the stigma attached to it. Whatever sells papers.
Holy revisionist history, Batman. The general consensus wanted to keep Lydman after his phenomenal series against the Bruins and "upgrade" Tallinder into any one of the UFA defensemen such as Beauchemin, Martin, Volchenkov or Michalek. Nobody was happy about turning two defensemen into one.

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Holy revisionist history, Batman. The general consensus wanted to keep Lydman after his phenomenal series against the Bruins and "upgrade" Tallinder into any one of the UFA defensemen such as Beauchemin, Martin, Volchenkov or Michalek. Nobody was happy about turning two defensemen into one.
I was part of the minority (keep tallinder), we were proven right.

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I mean, it's not like my plan (Lydman + Beauchemin) got put into practice either. Generally, when you pay an AHL defenseman two mil+ and expect him to play top pairing shutdown minutes, you're gonna have a bad time. The only hope was that Myers would keep bucking the curve and Shaone would be not awful around the net, and we all see how that went.

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