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02-05-2013, 05:07 PM
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Really? Haven't seen much of him so I can't talk, but it's surprising. Anaheim really has an odd looking group of defensemen as a whole though.



If I were to sign him, it would be for 3rd pairing, stay-at-home duties, with around 17 minutes of ice time per night. Still, his presence would be good on the PK. And he's actually not too bad with the puck in his own zone.
That was my thought for Murray. He would replace Boullion. Next year it would be
Gorges Subban
Markov Emelin
Diaz Murray
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02-05-2013, 05:09 PM
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That was my thought for Murray. He would replace Boullion. Next year it would be
Gorges Subban
Markov Emelin
Diaz Murray
Tinordi
As much as I liked Murray, there's better candidates than him.

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02-05-2013, 05:19 PM
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That being said, I'm not against having a Boll, a Clowe or a Doug Murray, who actually can contribute to the game AND make our other players' job easier. Guys like Plekanec end up slowing down as the season goes by, every year, in huge part because they have to deal with those little things the other teams make them suffer between the whistles and at the end of plays. As a whole, we have to stop accepting this. Especially since the referees are now as confusing as ever in regards to their level of tolerance this year. Without enforcing and intimidating anyone, we need those guys who actually are used to taking abuse, answering back, and act as a lightning rod for guys like Plekanec so they can be able to do their job without being bothered.

This, and I think a guy like Doug Murray would actually be quite awesome to clear up the front of the net if we look for a Bouillon replacement next season. We're still missing a big body presence back there that will jump on those rebounds with authority and prevent Price from getting slashed after the whistles.
To be fair Plekanec brings a lot of it on himself, he plays dirty. He might not be a hitter or a headhunter but he's constantly hooking and slashing when he can get away with it. He's probably one of the players the Bruins hate the most.

Having more intimidation around him wouldn't necessarily hurt though. Doug Murray is a player I wanted for a while now, having someone who is nasty and can also clear the crease would be great.

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02-05-2013, 05:27 PM
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Picking up Clowe and Douglas Murray would change us into the topper tier. Imagine having Subban, Markov, Diaz, Beaulieu as offensive D and Emelin, Murray, Tinordi, Gorges as Defensive D.

Emelin, Tinordi, Murray would be the most punishing set of D in the league and Subban is not a slouch in the hitting department either.

Imo, I think the Habs will wait for Tinordi and Beaulieu (and then there's Ellis).

But obviously I'd love for a Murray.
Management may only go for that kind of dman IF we get an injury to one of our top 4 dmen.

Plus, I'd sign Bouillon to another year (huge fan).
He's always been a solid #5-6 dman, imo, but he's playing like a solid #4 dman this season.

Our defense is looking good with Tinordi, Beaulieu and Ellis

Next season:
Bouillon-Subban
Markov-Emelin
Gorges-Diaz
Tinordi
Beaulieu
Ellis


<Diaz? (give him a 3 year contract? trade bait? Beaulieu should replace him on the PP in a year or more....we also have Tinordi and Ellis coming in...not enough space...good problem to have.... I'd like to keep Diaz, but...not sure you can keep everyone...Tinordi, Beaulieu, Ellis... unless they don';t sign Bouillon to another year...but I would...he's always being very underrated...and a warrior in playoffs).

<Kaberle...gone as soon as management can trade him for almost nothing. I forget...if he has another year on his contract? (I really hope not!). And I won't insult Gauthier for getting him since I also thought it would work at the time of the trade (thought it was a decent gamble at the time...wrong!).


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As much as I liked Murray, there's better candidates than him.
Care to name them? Keep in mind that we need a big body back there, who can clear the crease and play a sound defensive game.

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Care to name them? Keep in mind that we need a big body back there, who can clear the crease and play a sound defensive game.
Also would be great for a young Tinordi as a mentor.

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02-05-2013, 05:43 PM
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I know you will all hate me for saying this lol but I bet we could get chara. He nearing the end of his career and Boston I bet would like to get something for him rather then let him retire for nothing? Maybe an Eller, draft pick, plus?

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I know you will all hate me for saying this lol but I bet we could get chara. He nearing the end of his career and Boston I bet would like to get something for him rather then let him retire for nothing? Maybe an Eller, draft pick, plus?
No ****ing way. I still want justice for what he did to our Pacioretty.
It was obvious revenge (targeted Pacioretty ever since the shove...no accident, but the NHL accepted it...turned a blind eye to the obvious revenge).

And fans would boo him every night...no they won't 'cause it just won't happen (getting Chara).

**** Chara.

Eller? Just for argument's sake...they'd ask for Tinordi + __?__.
No way we're giving Tinordi to the Bruins (imagine Hamilton and Tinordi for the Bruins for the next 15 years? I don't 'cause it won't happen). Anyways...this is not happening.


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02-05-2013, 05:53 PM
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Yes your right about that. But add to the existing roster of D and it could spell a cup. Diaz Eller and a pick for chara it could work. And chara would incidentally be the one to seek revenge on his former team for things he did while playing for them haha

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Yes your right about that. But add to the existing roster of D and it could spell a cup. Diaz Eller and a pick for chara it could work. And chara would incidentally be the one to seek revenge on his former team for things he did while playing for them haha
I've been wrong before, but I don't even give this a 1% chance.

This summer there should some interesting dmen available...
But we also have really good dmen getting ready to paly for our Habs (6'7 Tinordi, PP specialist Beaulieu, and two-way version of Gorges in Ellis).

I'm hoping Chara goes to the other conference...tired of seeing his face reminder of what he did to Pacioretty. But I have a feeling the Bruins will sign him to another 2-3 years.

We have a team right now that can be a solid darkhorse in the palyoffs IF...our core stays healthy (starts with Price, Subban, Markov, Gorges...Bouillon is also solid in the playoffs...very underrated all and because he's not 6'2...but Bouillon was not afraid of 6'8 Scott...Bouillon is one brave Hab...so very glad he's back).


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with patience...we will ahve a solid policeman in Tinordi (gotta give him at least 2 seasons in the NHL before hoping he can become really intimidating since he's still very young...gotta give him time to develop in the NHL...but I think he will protect a lot of our smaller players and our goalie with his 6'7 frame and tough demeanor...like his dad).

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If he was a baby and did what he did to a Bruins player he would have a statue outside the bell center already. There's still time for him to cripple some Bruins before he retires and anyone else therein chooses.

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Oh your right it will NEVER happen but it would be a great bridge to get us to tinordi, Ellis ect..

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I've been wrong before, but I don't even give this a 1% chance.

This summer there should some interesting dmen available...
But we also have really good dmen getting ready to paly for our Habs (6'7 Tinordi, PP specialist Beaulieu, and two-way version of Gorges in Ellis).

I'm hoping Chara goes to the other conference...tired of seeing his face reminder of what he did to Pacioretty. But I have a feeling the Bruins will sign him to another 2-3 years.

We have a team right now that can be a solid darkhorse in the palyoffs IF...our core stays healthy (starts with Price, Subban, Markov, Gorges...Bouillon is also solid in the playoffs...very underrated all and because he's not 6'2...but Bouillon was not afraid of 6'8 Scott...Bouillon is one brave Hab...so very glad he's back).


Back on topic:
with patience...we will ahve a solid policeman in Tinordi (gotta give him at least 2 seasons in the NHL before hoping he can become really intimidating since he's still very young...gotta give him time to develop in the NHL...but I think he will protect a lot of our smaller players and our goalie with his 6'7 frame and tough demeanor...like his dad).
when you said "policeman", it's because you think he will fight heavyweight? If its because of that, sorry but no and he's not comparable to his dad

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when you said "policeman", it's because you think he will fight heavyweight? If its because of that, sorry but no and he's not comparable to his dad

When Souray came here from New Jersey...he was supposed to be a defensive dman. Not comparing Tinordi's game to Souray's, but maybe comparing toughness. Tinordi is a defensive dman.

Hopefully with time...Tinordi can become as tough as Souray was for our Habs (or close). Not a heavyweight but close enough. I'm talking about when he gets to 25-26-27yrs of age (hopefully before)...Tinordi is still very young.

Tinordi:
and if not a policeman, then...that rugged/tough dman that can protect our goalie(s) and smaller players from abuse and bullying.
I do expect this from Tinordi...with a few seasons of experience how can you not expect this...he's 6'7! I know...friendly giant Hal Gill is 6'7 and friendly giant Popovic was 6'5, but Tinordi does have some kind of mean streak in him (from everything I've read here!), so...one can hope that he uses that for good purposes...protecting our smaller players and goalie.
Policeman? Forget that I used the word policeman!

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Souray was one guy you didn't want to mess with. I loved him for it too. Can't believe we let him leave.

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Oh your right it will NEVER happen but it would be a great bridge to get us to tinordi, Ellis ect..
To be fair...I'll let others reply to your post about Chara! I'm done talking about Chara for now! ('cause everytime I post about Chara...smoke comes out of my ears thinking of what he did to Pacioretty...almost killing him).

Cheers! (go Habs go! we can win without using Chara...a dman that should have been suspended for the remainder of the season and playoffs...and I mean that...and people can laugh at me but I do think Chara should have been charged....the way McSorley was).

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Should we still wait for Conboy and Schultz?!

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Should we still wait for Conboy and Schultz?!
I didn't know we still had Conboy.
As for Schultz, st least he is about 220 and as far as I know, he can be an adequate 4th liner.
I think he is hurt though. Can't wait for Thrower.

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I didn't know we still had Conboy.
As for Schultz, st least he is about 220 and as far as I know, he can be an adequate 4th liner.
I think he is hurt though. Can't wait for Thrower.
we don't have Conboy anymore, Schultz was good last year.this year, he's not good and fat. Thrower have a long road to make before playing in the nhl. 4-5 years maybe..

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Souray was one guy you didn't want to mess with. I loved him for it too. Can't believe we let him leave.
I didn't feel like he was much of a team guy. Several times he didn't defend other players(other than that time with Saku). Bare in mind it was a time where the room was divised into camps.

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Fine, Let's say I agree
Who do you drop for who?
The team is 6-2, do you upset the apple cart by dropping a player to bring in an enforcer?
In my opinion we've had it easy this year cause our PP has played great and the games where we've had real agressive opposition, we lost.

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Not sure I'd consider him a heavyweight, but I'd love to have him. Not many here wouldn't. He's exactly what tons of people in this thread are clamoring for. We just don't want useless players like Scott.
Scott was far from useless against the Bruins.

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Scott was far from useless against the Bruins.
And yet, so useless against us. I wonder which happens more often.

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And yet, so useless against us. I wonder which happens more often.
Sorry Overlords, but that's as dumb a comment as saying " every game Erik Cole doesn't score a goal, he's useless". Goons won't be usefull every game, but they have their moments when they do help. It's just part of 1) having a perfect mix, including a heavyweight protector or a momentum changer, and 2) part of the show we watch. Scott did his job against Boston and innefective agains us, it happens.

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It's painfully obvious that many simply don't understand the effect of having guys who can fight on your team. It's not the number of fights as much as the what they prevent, the respect that they impose. Unfortunately, their hands are too often tied by the worst rule in the NHL: the instigator.

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