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02-05-2013, 07:28 PM
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Here is my list, FWIW. Best at each position bolded.

C - Crosby Malkin Stamkos Datsyuk Giroux Toews*
LW - Kovalchuk Sedin Ovechkin**
RW - Perry St.Louis Kane Hossa
D - Chara Weber Letang Suter
G - Lundqvist Quick Rinne Luongo***

*Sedin would be on this list but it is already getting long. Tavares should be on it soon, I think.
**Ovechkin is a bad season away from dropping and Benn a good season away from getting on this list
**Don't laugh. Consistency matters, and while he may have blown up in a couple of playoff games, the total body of work over the past 5-6 years speaks for itself.

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02-05-2013, 07:29 PM
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In before "Giroux is not elite" because last season is written off due to an average 9 game span.
Could I not say in before "Giroux is elite based off on one season with elite production"...??

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02-05-2013, 07:30 PM
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Subjective term is subjective.

Great thread.

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02-05-2013, 07:31 PM
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Could I not say in before "Giroux is elite based off on one season with elite production"...??
1.1 PPG over the last 180 games including playoffs. 93 points in 77 games last season. 55 points in 50 playoff games...

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02-05-2013, 07:34 PM
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Goalies: Lundqvist, Rinne, Price & Quick.
D-Man: Chara,Weber, Suter, Letang & Karlsson.
LW: D. Sedin & Kovalchuk.
RW: P. Kane, MSL & Ovechkin.
C: Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos.

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02-05-2013, 07:35 PM
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(C) Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos, Datsyuk, Sedin
(LW) Ovechkin, Parise, Kovalchuk, Sedin
(RW) Kane, Perry, St. Louis, Hossa
(D) Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Weber, Chara, Byfuglien, Boyle
(G) Lundqvist, Rinne, Quick

For people like Vanek, Giroux, Price etc. just need to prove it for more than one year.


Byfuglien is elite now?

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02-05-2013, 08:02 PM
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In before "Giroux is not elite" because last season is written off due to an average 9 game span.
IMO he needs more than one season like his last season to be considered elite.

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02-05-2013, 08:09 PM
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Everyone got their own definition of ''Elite'' and who is elite. There is no set value for this. Really need to stop quoting others posts and saying ''Duuuh! X isn't elite!''

I could be saying Alexei Ponikarovsky is elite and I wouldn't be wrong.

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02-05-2013, 08:17 PM
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LOL @ Toews(?)(intangibles). INTANGIBLES!!! is my fave HF meme.

In addition to Toews, IŽd also def strip MAF, Gaborik, Eberle and most of the LWs off the list. Seriously, how so few elite LWs? Brodeur isn`t really anymore, but he could stay in a tribute kinda way, I guess.

Add Iginla or Sedins maybe? IDK.

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02-05-2013, 08:22 PM
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I'd say if you're calling MAF elite you'd have to also give the nod to Luongo, no?

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02-05-2013, 08:27 PM
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C - Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos, Giroux, H.Sedin
LW - Kovalchuk, D.Sedin, Ovechkin
RW - Perry, Gaborik, Hossa, St. Louis, P.Kane
D - Chara, Weber, Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Letang, Doughty
G - Lundqvist, Quick, Price, Luongo, Rinne, Miller

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02-05-2013, 08:37 PM
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Everyone got their own definition of ''Elite'' and who is elite. There is no set value for this. Really need to stop quoting others posts and saying ''Duuuh! X isn't elite!''

I could be saying Alexei Ponikarovsky is elite and I wouldn't be wrong.
Lot of people use the one of the dictionnary.

The choice or best of anything considered collectively

You cannot decide who is elite for you, elite are what the society consider as elite.

The result of a thread like this, if taken by a majority of fan, hockey journalist, coach, player, would become the "right" answer.

And the end of it if Ponikarovsky is not consider as one, you would have been wrong with your prediction.

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02-05-2013, 08:58 PM
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1.1 PPG over the last 180 games including playoffs. 93 points in 77 games last season. 55 points in 50 playoff games...
He's a heck of a hockey player,I know. Definitely an all star. But if you're calling someone elite that's like top 5-10% of players?

Both of the Sedins have a Hart to their name, but I'm not even sure they'd quite make the cut.

Malkin, Crosby, Stamkos are above everyone else in my eyes. Their best to me is markedly higher level than the rest. It's subjective, but you implied someone's going to unjustifiably bash Giroux by calling him not elite. When I think the only way he is included is if you add Datsyuk, Toews, Spezza, Zetterberg, the Sedins, etc.

Call him elite if you'd like but AFAIC he's close to or is top 10 but not top five.

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Kopitar..?

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If Price and Rinne are elite, then so is Lehtonen. I wouldn't say Benn is elite (stars fan). Karlsson isn't elite. He is really ****ing good, but elite would mean that he destroys at both ends. He will be elite in 1-2 years.

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02-05-2013, 09:09 PM
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If Price and Rinne are elite, then so is Lehtonen. I wouldn't say Benn is elite (stars fan). Karlsson isn't elite. He is really ****ing good, but elite would mean that he destroys at both ends. He will be elite in 1-2 years.
not a requirement for being elite

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02-05-2013, 09:15 PM
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This is my opinion obviously.

Forwards- Stamkos, Crosby, Malkin
Defense- Weber, Karlsson, Pietroangelo, Chara
Goalies- Lundqvist, Rinne

I feel that for forwards the next best (Giroux/Tavares imo) are a significant step down from these three and therefore should not be considered in the same tier as them. Next best defense (Boyle, Suter ect) are a significant step down. Same for goalies. There shouldn't be a set number of "elite" players, but you take the very best players and as soon as you see a drop off, that's where you draw the line.


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02-05-2013, 09:18 PM
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Kopitar..?
I'm a huge fan of the Kings and Kopitar, but I would not call him elite. I can see him ranked anywhere in the top 7-12 centers.

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Take the 20% rule, and apply it to first liners.

Top 6 LW, Top 6 RW. Top 6 C, top 12 D, top 6 Goalies...

Roughly. Obviously some positions may have more depth.

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Flacco is Kessel-elite.

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02-05-2013, 09:22 PM
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Bolded does not compute.
You accidentally bolded karlsson bud. I'll trust this was a typo and not a lack of judging talent.

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02-05-2013, 09:22 PM
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Here is my list, FWIW. Best at each position bolded.

C - Crosby Malkin Stamkos Datsyuk Giroux Toews*
LW - Kovalchuk Sedin Ovechkin**
RW - Perry St.Louis Kane Hossa
D - Chara Weber Letang Suter
G - Lundqvist Quick Rinne Luongo***

*Sedin would be on this list but it is already getting long. Tavares should be on it soon, I think.
**Ovechkin is a bad season away from dropping and Benn a good season away from getting on this list
**Don't laugh. Consistency matters, and while he may have blown up in a couple of playoff games, the total body of work over the past 5-6 years speaks for itself.
How is suter and letang there, but not karlsson. What have they done, that karlsson hasn't?

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02-05-2013, 09:41 PM
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C - Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos, Giroux, Datsyuk, H. Sedin
LW - D. Sedin, Kovalchuk, Ovechkin
RW - St. Louis, Hossa
D - Weber, Chara, Karlsson, Doughty, Pietrangelo, Suter
G - Lundqvist, Rinne, Quick, Price

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Some of you probably watch the sports shows shown on espn and tsn2(usually) in canada during the day. A lot of the talk lately has been on whether or not Joe Flacco is "elite". Jalen Rose from Numbers Never Lie made a statement that only 20% of players in the league can be elite at one position. He then named six names and said Flacco wasn't apart of them so he isn't "elite". But looking at some numbers(playoff wins, interceptions, passing yards) Flacco could very well be considered "elite".
I guess what I'm saying is how do you define elite in hockey terms(in football its all about championships?) and going by the 20% "rule" who would be the elite players at each position?

I believe there has been this thread before, but I didnt really read it back then and would like some opinions.

C - Crosby Malkin Stamkos Datsyuk Giroux Toews(?)(intangibles)
LW - Kovy Marleau Vanek(?)(homer vote, certainly right now) Neal Benn(is he LW) OV(still gotta be elite doesn't he)
RW - Perry St.Louis Kane Hossa Gaborik(?) Eberle(?)
D - Karlsson Pietro Doughty Chara Weber Letang(?)
G - Lundqvist Price Quick Rinne Brodeur(?) MAF(?)
highlighted not elite

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Can't believe the lack of Thornton and Kopitar. Especially on the "sustained excellence" one. Both perennial ppg type players with plus defense.

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