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02-05-2013, 06:59 PM
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Penalty For Punching A Player While On The Ice

This is obviously in reaction to the Rinaldo/Crombeen and Vinny/Max fights

I think its time for there to be a major or minor penalty for punching a player after he has gone to the ice in a fight. We all saw how crushing that punch was by Rinaldo and it was completely unnecessary.

Penalizing the players team will be the most effective way in deterring a player from doing so.


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Rinaldo threw a borderline late punch, but it was hardly hitting a guy on the ice.

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I'm loathe to defend Rinaldo, but getting in a fight requires digging pretty deep and going to a pretty dark place. That's not necessarily something you can turn on and off like a light switch.

This is why in UFC the referee literally jumps between the two fighters or, in some cases, throws the guy on top about five feet to get him to stop.

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I didn't see anything wrong with what Rinaldo did. Crombeen wasn't even all the way down yet.

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Rinaldo is a piece of ****. He won the fight fair and square but then threw 2 or 3 completely cheap and unnecessary punches when he knew he already got Crombeen down.

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I remember seeing Ciccone do it to Jamie Pushor one time back in the day, knocked him off his feet with a punch right in the kisser then punched him in the back of the head when he was down for good measure. Pushor's face bounced off the ice.

Of course times have changed since then.



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Rinaldo did nothing wrong

he got 2 more in to put him down and then stopped

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I remember seeing Ciccone do it to Jamie Pushor one time back in the day, knocked him off his feet with a punch right in the kisser then punched him in the back of the head when he was down for good measure. Pushor's face bounced off the ice.

Of course times have changed since then.
If anyone doesn't know the difference between that incident and what Rinaldo did, they should know that this reference doesn't belong anywhere near this thread. They aren't even in the same ball park.

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02-05-2013, 07:23 PM
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crombeen was more "on his way down" than he was "down"


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02-05-2013, 07:24 PM
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I'm loathe to defend Rinaldo, but getting in a fight requires digging pretty deep and going to a pretty dark place. That's not necessarily something you can turn on and off like a light switch.

This is why in UFC the referee literally jumps between the two fighters or, in some cases, throws the guy on top about five feet to get him to stop.
On the flip side it should be the responsibility of the guy getting into the fight to not cross the line. You can't pull hair, fish hook, eye gauge etc. Why should a player get a pass for punching a guy after he already went to the ice. I feel the same about the takedown move as well, that should be a penalty too.

I've watched thousands and been in many hockey fights myself and I disagree that you need to go to a deep dark place. That's a cop out, if you can't control yourself you need to get psychological help.

As a sport, we cannot afford to let this kind of garbage go unpunished. For anyone defending this kind of behavior, have you been asleep for the last 2 years. We've had 3 fighters die or kill themselves and there's an argument if it was job related deaths.

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The penalty exists, it's called roughing. Covers a few other things, too.

Edit: NVM, posted without actually reading the OP. If you don't want to be punched while the other guy thinks it's still a fight, don't get into a fight.

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crombeen was more "on his way down" than he was "down"

He was out and every single person watching it knew that, including Rinaldo.

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It was a little late, but hardly a case of him just throwing constantly when the guy is completely on the ice

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I thought the last one was borderline, not late enough to deserve an extra penalty.

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Are you serious? Crombeen agreed to fight and got clicked 2 or 3 times before hitting the ice it's called a fight for a reason

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Aside from whether that punch was late (I think it was borderline, but not dirty) what a stupid display by Tampa. Luke freaking Schenn fights Lecavalier (so what?), and they send a guy like Crombeen after Giroux, and then proceed to carry the grudge into the next game? Everyone from the coach on down deserves that punch in the face. Watching Crombeen skate around asking for it right before Rinaldo totally drops him was rich though.

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During the intermission, they discussed it and no one had a problem with it. Can people stop their incessant whining now?

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I'm loathe to defend Rinaldo, but getting in a fight requires digging pretty deep and going to a pretty dark place. That's not necessarily something you can turn on and off like a light switch.

This is why in UFC the referee literally jumps between the two fighters or, in some cases, throws the guy on top about five feet to get him to stop.
There's no defending that puke.

This is hockey, not UFC. They are paid to kick the crap out of each other in the UFC. Very poor anology, and speaks very poorly as to the state of game if we compare hockey to UFC. There's only a handful of NHL players that don't know when to draw the line.
Not a coincidence Rinaldo is one of them.

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He was out and every single person watching it knew that, including Rinaldo.
What do you mean he was "out"? He got right up and skated off

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There's no defending that puke.

This is hockey, not UFC. They are paid to kick the crap out of each other in the UFC. Very poor anology, and speaks very poorly as to the state of game if we compare hockey to UFC. There's only a handful of NHL players that don't know when to draw the line.
Not a coincidence Rinaldo is one of them.
Crombeen should have, instead of actually fight, just thrown his head back and looked for the yellow card right?

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Aside from whether that punch was late (I think it was borderline, but not dirty) what a stupid display by Tampa. Luke freaking Schenn fights Lecavalier (so what?), and they send a guy like Crombeen after Giroux, and then proceed to carry the grudge into the next game? Everyone from the coach on down deserves that punch in the face. Watching Crombeen skate around asking for it right before Rinaldo totally drops him was rich though.
What game are you watching?

First of all it's "so what" if one of their guys starts a fight with our captain, but it's a big deal if one of ours tries to start one with theirs?

Secondly, Rinaldo completely started that, which is fine. But it was pretty clear the Flyers were the ones bringing tht game into this game.

No idea how you can see anything else.

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There's no defending that puke.

This is hockey, not UFC. They are paid to kick the crap out of each other in the UFC. Very poor anology, and speaks very poorly as to the state of game if we compare hockey to UFC. There's only a handful of NHL players that don't know when to draw the line.
Not a coincidence Rinaldo is one of them.
I wish I could speak for myself and say I could hold back when my blood is pumping and fighting in front of 20k but i can't can you?

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What do you mean he was "out"? He got right up and skated off
You realize you can be knocked out for one second right?

He clearly got KOd by the first punch.

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During the intermission, they discussed it and no one had a problem with it. Can people stop their incessant whining now?
Lol yes the flyers owned and run station had no problem with it. Th same idiots that were ranting that Boucher should be punished for running a system in the NHL last year.

You're right. No bias there.

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