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02-05-2013, 06:51 AM
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The Alaska Aces get 4,777 per game, that wouldn't be the worst in the KHL, would it? I think people in Alaska wouldn't mind seeing a higher quality game, they are kinda isolated from the rest of the US anyway.
Well CSKA arenas hold like 5000 and the game I went to last year against Omsk it was half full and a large portion were Omsk supporters flown in.

My manager went to a game last week and same thing.

A "top end" ticket at CSKA costs about 500 roubles of about $15USD.


I think issues with Alaska might be taxation etc.

I still dont understand how the KHL works unless its a tax writeoff money cleansing exercise.

Theres no way money is being made as Russia does not have the merchandise culture that NA has and it certainly isnt gate revenues of concessions. I also cant see a lot of money being made of sponsorships as there is little market.

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02-05-2013, 07:08 AM
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KHL average attendace (season 12/13 in february)

5079 (2008/2009)- 5547 (2009/2010)- 5782 (2010/2011)- 5892 (2011/2012)- 6137 (2012/2013)

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02-05-2013, 07:12 AM
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The Alaska Aces get 4,777 per game, that wouldn't be the worst in the KHL, would it? I think people in Alaska wouldn't mind seeing a higher quality game, they are kinda isolated from the rest of the US anyway.
4,777 is very low for a top tier hockey league. I'm sure they could draw 6,000+, but who in Alaska would have the interest or funds available to purchase a KHL club and run it? Also, Alaska may be geographically isolated from the rest of the United States, but they're still very patriotic Americans.

I really doubt it would work.

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02-05-2013, 07:24 AM
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Well you can see Russia from Alaska...

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02-05-2013, 04:20 PM
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4,777 is very low for a top tier hockey league. I'm sure they could draw 6,000+, but who in Alaska would have the interest or funds available to purchase a KHL club and run it? Also, Alaska may be geographically isolated from the rest of the United States, but they're still very patriotic Americans.

I really doubt it would work.
Ya, but the Aces are ECHL, which is two levels below top tier.

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02-05-2013, 05:04 PM
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Who in their right mind would fund this team?

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02-05-2013, 05:43 PM
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Ya, but the Aces are ECHL, which is two levels below top tier.
I know, but I can't see the average attendance of a KHL squad being much higher. This team just wouldn't work.

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02-05-2013, 07:52 PM
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I know, but I can't see the average attendance of a KHL squad being much higher. This team just wouldn't work.
But you don't know that more fans wouldn't come in order to see a higher level competition.

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02-05-2013, 07:58 PM
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nightmare for KHL players. I'm not sure which way Slovan Bratislava or Lev Prague would choose to get there: over Atlantic ocean or Pacific.
That would be a nice dilemma to have. Inching ever so closely to that GHL (Global Hockey League).

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Nothing to talk about till we have the Pacific/Asian division going.

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02-05-2013, 09:02 PM
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Nothing to talk about till we have the Pacific/Asian division going.
Exactly. Khabarovsk is too isolated. The KHL will almost certainly attempt (or at least look into) an expansion into Japan, South Korea and possibly China.

I think what would make most sense would be:

Khabarovsk
Vladivostok
Seoul
Tokyo
Beijing/Hong Kong/?

Maybe even a team in Ust-Kamenogorsk/Oskemen would be able to play in that division. The way it stands now though, Khabarovsk needs a division with teams somewhere remotely close to their location. The travel must be devestating to the players and their families. Creating a Far East division would be a good move for the KHL if they can find funding, IMO.

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02-05-2013, 09:33 PM
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Who knows what is KHL´s plan? I have this vision of future.

Agree, KHL needs more teams "near" Khabarovsk. Definitelly. As I know, russian government has been investing into development of Far East (here in rus). I can imagine, that this part of Russia will be something like California for US. Who knows? Maybe I will not be alive these days

If Russia has plan to develop Far East, it make sense to have more teams here (+ Japan, etc).

As I see expansion of KHL. Objects:

1st - establish KHL as pan-european league, therefore Slovan, Lev, Germany, Italy etc (+ promote KHL in Asia, tv deals - now starting)

2nd - some way of competition with euro clubs/leagues which are not in KHL. Champions League or whatever (+ change of IIHF schedule)

3rd - get rid of weak russian clubs (Vityaz as exampel)

4th - Far East/Asian expansion

As you know, you can not make step 2nd before step 1st etc.

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02-05-2013, 09:39 PM
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Khabarovsk needs a division with teams somewhere remotely close to their location.

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02-05-2013, 11:45 PM
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I see 2 main restrictions (excluding political) to the KHL expansion:
1. What is the maximum quantity of teams in the KHL as well as in any other sports league? I think it doesn't exceed 30-32.
2. Travel problem. It would be not easy for KHL players to constatntly rotate from Prague to Khabarovsk, Vladivostok. Players say the problem is not with trips, but with time zone change. As of now, teams play in Khabarovsk and fly away at the same day to diminish this effect. But what if after Khabarovsk they would have to play a bunch of games in Vladivostok, Tokyo and somewhere else (Alaska)? I think it would be too wearing out.


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02-06-2013, 02:04 AM
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There was some idea with team in arabic middle east. But this is more cooler.

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02-06-2013, 02:24 AM
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I want to see Arabs from Sahara take it on against Eskimos from Alaska. Go for it, boys, and the Gagarin Cup will be your reward.

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02-06-2013, 02:32 AM
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The KHL needs a supersonic transport system. Russia should develope a new aircraft, wouldn't that be something to be proud of for Putin? A technological manifestation of Russia's progess during his era?

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02-06-2013, 02:59 AM
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I believe the KHL needs a supersonic underground tunnel. I mean, if the KHL intends to span the globe, there should be a shortcut of some sort, connecting the various continents directly, instead of using all those old-fashioned airplanes to fly around the Earth, resulting in much loss of time.

I believe the picture below left (leaked from Mr. Medvedev's KHL headquarters) shows the first prototype of the new KHL transportation system. It was apparently first envisioned by a French engineer some two centuries ago.
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02-06-2013, 11:14 AM
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An interesting interview of Slovenian player Aleš Kranjc (in Russian): http://www.pressball.by/articles/hockey/interview/80719. As he says, there is an interest to the KHL among Slovenian clubs, but lack of money in ex-Yugoslavian hockey to advance. About Medveščak: "Don't know if the Croatian have enough money to play in the KHL. Though it would be interesting to watch them playing there."

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02-06-2013, 12:31 PM
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What now? Slovenia? That is something new... not really. And again the talk about Russian money. Will they just stop?..

Though the only team I can think of, when I wouldn't mind it being somewhat sponsored by Russian companies is Partizan Belgrade, at least it is in Serbia, and they have a huge arena, which means there is a slight chance that some of that money will return as profit.

So please, Medvedev and Gazprom, stop throwing your(our) money in the wrong direction, ok?


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02-06-2013, 12:45 PM
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What now? Slovenia? That is something new... not really. And again the talk about Russian money. Will they just stop?..

Though the only team I can think of, when I wouldn't mind it being somewhat sponsored by Russian companies is Partizan Belgrade, at least it is in Serbia, and they have a huge arena, which means there is a slight chance that some of that money will return as profit.

So please, Medvedev and Gazprom, stop throwing your(our) money in the wrong direction, ok?
Gazprom is already financing Red Star (football) with 4 milion euros per season. I read it at one Serbian site.

To be honest, I am not sure that Partizan would fill Arena Belgrade on regular basis, especially not if club goes on losing streak. One of the "problems" is that Partizan fans much more cares about football and basketball (Partizan is/was very strong club in basketball), while in Zagreb all sports are either uninteresting, like football where Dinamo dominates domestic league but sucks big time in europe, same with hanball club Zagreb (at least they are little bit better in europe but still it is only five games per season when they can attract full arena) or glory days are long forgotten (like basketball club Cibona, former two time european champion), so, only ice hockey is able to draw big numbers on more or less constant basis.

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02-06-2013, 03:51 PM
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President of polish ice hockey federation said that owners of Gdansk club have guaranteed budget.Believe him or not.

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02-06-2013, 04:53 PM
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KHL average attendace (season 12/13 in february)

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Considering the greater wealth in alaska, you could triple or quadruple the cost of your average ticket.

The idea does make sense in some form or another, if at the very least for the billboard factor.

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02-06-2013, 07:16 PM
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Vorky, there was this news only a few days ago (former NHLPA president interview) according to which the NHL is likely to expand to 32 teams soon. One of the expansion teams is supposed to be very close to Toronto. So Toronto definitely has no "exclusivity for the region" -- it may only appear that way.
They have a 50 mile radius as does Buffalo. IIRC, Markham only needs the leafs permission, Hamilton would need both.

The difference now is who owns the leafs. Rogers and Bell are the major television providers in ontario so a new team + expansion fees (and probable one time fee to the leafs to waive their exclusivity) would result in more profit overall.

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02-07-2013, 03:13 AM
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The KHL needs a supersonic transport system. Russia should develope a new aircraft, wouldn't that be something to be proud of for Putin? A technological manifestation of Russia's progess during his era?
there is something in progress



Or KHL should buy some of this monsters. US Army will be happy.


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