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02-05-2013, 09:30 PM
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hodgson was not 8 for 10, he was 8 for 18. slight difference.

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02-05-2013, 09:32 PM
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hodgson was not 8 for 10, he was 8 for 18. slight difference.
Well damn, huge difference.

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Vezina caliber? How about "non-paraplegic"? You're playing him against what is arguably one of the weaker offensive teams in the league without Spezza. You expect him to make routine saves - which he did not do.
No Latendresse or Gonchar either. Zack Smith is currently centering their second line. Should tell of the Sens' offensive depth right now with the injuries.

The Phillips goal falls solely on Enroth easily. I can't blame him for Karlsson's at all. He was hung out to dry on Neil's too. Alfredsson's is the only other one Enroth could've stopped and even that one I can't crucify him for. He was left out to dry more often than not, but point taken, he's not been good in either of his starts this year and has been average or below in the past 17 as noted as he only has one win in that span. Part of it has been Enroth and another part the team leaving him out to dry.

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02-05-2013, 09:33 PM
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G: Enroth managed to keep the GA to less than the number of digits I have on one hand.
B: I'm ready to let some defenseman take faceoffs and see what happens. It can't possibly be any worse.
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Vezina caliber? How about "non-paraplegic"? You're playing him against what is arguably one of the weaker offensive teams in the league without Spezza. You expect him to make routine saves - which he did not do.
yea... i dont care about enroth anymore... but this team is terrible and both he and miller look terrible behind it.

i might fault him for that screen shot that dribble through him and the floater... but the other 2 were premier scoring opportunities...

miller got beat by parros 5 hole, clean no screen...

the team is just awful, and everyone aside from the 1st line is playing to one degree of awful or another

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May 6th, 2007
Don't you mean May 19, 2007?

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Don't you mean May 19, 2007?
i was going with the last time we won a playoff series

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02-05-2013, 09:34 PM
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8 33%
9 20%
19 44%
25 17%
63 29%

But how were they in key situations?

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02-05-2013, 09:34 PM
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Anyone listen to jackass' presser?? I assume it's nothing new.

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02-05-2013, 09:36 PM
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Well damn, huge difference.
Precisely. 8/18 is nothing great in the first place. If anything it shows us how truly poor we are at draws if any of us didn't already realize it. All our other faceoff-takers did worse than that tonight.

Makes my question of why Ott wasn't out there even more valid.

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i was going with the last time we won a playoff series
I thought you were going with the moment the CUP window slammed shut....lol.

Of course maybe THAT was July 1 2007...a/k/a BLACK SUNDAY.

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Anyone listen to jackass' presser?? I assume it's nothing new.
It was about 2 minutes long; main point "We need to worry about winning games". Guy is coasting; loves his ****ing position, no accountability.

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02-05-2013, 09:38 PM
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yea... i dont care about enroth anymore... but this team is terrible and both he and miller look terrible behind it.

i might fault him for that screen shot that dribble through him and the floater... but the other 2 were premier scoring opportunities...

miller got beat by parros 5 hole, clean no screen...

the team is just awful, and everyone aside from the 1st line is playing to one degree of awful or another
And even the VHP line looked off tonight.

Difference between Enroth and Miller behind the ****show as of now is that you've gotten a handful of notable, key saves and/or good performances from Miller. Enroth has been the definition of a goaltending sieve.

This D unit is softer than butter, which won't help any goalie. That softness, combined with a coach who's clearly beyond his realm of effectiveness, is a recipe for a record that we're sporting right now.

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02-05-2013, 09:39 PM
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Good:

- Myers with his second strong game in a row
- Stafford looking much better
- Pardy looking okay
- Grigorenko with another solid performance, given where he started. At least he's coming around. I've seen a few people continue to say he looks awful, and I disagree with that big-time. He looks like a rookie center adjusting to the vast differences of the NHL when compared to MJ. He looks more and more dangerous.

Bad:

- Foligno...nonchalance and complacency galore. He was the dead weight on that line tonight
- Brennan is here for one basic reason: apparently, he has a good shot. Fulton Reed's 1 outta 5 isn't a "good shot". It's a hard shot. Inaccuracy diminishes any shred of decency with regards to shooting

Ugly:

- Add "backup goaltender" to the list of needs...holy hell
- You have Cody Hodgson out to take the faceoff in the offensive zone down a goal with 25 seconds left. I understand he's our best regular center on draws, but in the small sample we've seen (and it is indeed abysmal), Ott seems like the only one capable of winning an important faceoff. Net empty, you put VHP on the ice, and your 6th man is your best faceoff guy. It has to be Ott. I don't care how many draws Hodgson won this game. He's not a good guy at the dot.




What happened to Sulzer in the second period? I don't recall seeing him much...all game, for that matter. Was he benched? Didn't hear the Sabres broadcast say anything
So nice to see some actual input regarding the game rather than a slightly different version of the same post ad naseum...

G: Myers was better

B: Team defense is still atrocious, no team allows clear shots from the slot more than this one
Our offense refuses to crash the net and all three forwards chase the puck behind the net leaving no one in front for a pass
More of the same not cashing in on their opportunities
U: Enroth is not a capable backup and it makes me laugh that people wanted to trade Miller and hand over the reigns to him. LOL!

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02-05-2013, 09:41 PM
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It was about 2 minutes long; main point "We need to worry about winning games". Guy is coasting; loves his ****ing position, no accountability.
Guess you don't really have to care when you have job security like he has..

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02-05-2013, 09:42 PM
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Myers played well. Maybe it had something to do with Pardy.
Pardy played a very solid game. Couple mistakes. Him and Sulzer are steady. That's what we need.
Something needs to be done about faceoffs. Right away.
Ennis needs to be on the wing for a while in the worst way.

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02-05-2013, 09:43 PM
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Precisely. 8/18 is nothing great in the first place. If anything it shows us how truly poor we are at draws if any of us didn't already realize it. All our other faceoff-takers did worse than that tonight.

Makes my question of why Ott wasn't out there even more valid.
It's a valid question I'm asking as well.

You'd be able to argue Hodgson's case if the net weren't empty, saying you wanted your first line out on the ice. But with a 6th attacker, it's a no-brainer that it should be someone who has a chance of winning a key draw. Ott at 50% this year is no guarantee to win the draw, but we know that A ) it's probably more likely he'll win it than Hodgson, and B ) Ott plays with tenacity, which is how to play at the dot after the puck is dropped.

If the puck is sitting on the dot after being dropped, we know Ott's going to get low, get leverage, and at least try to beast the puck somewhere. Hodgson, a finesse player, isn't going to get as dirty as Ott IMO.

Nobody on this team is a dot-specialist, we know that. And believe me: I'm not going to complain about coaching moves simply for the sake of complaining. But this one was obvious from the moment you saw the guys get set at the circle. Hodgson had no chance.

How do we not have someone brought in by now to keep our centers and a winger or two on the ice for an hour after practice to teach them the simple art of winning draws? Watch the hand of the ref, cheat until you're tossed (if you're even tossed), identify beforehand which teammate you want to try to draw the puck to, and leverage yourself into position. Mother****er, this is ****ing frustrating.

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It was about 2 minutes long; main point "We need to worry about winning games". Guy is coasting; loves his ****ing position, no accountability.
Sickening, utterly sickening...The guy has the safest job in sports.

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Good: SJ / Chicago already more exciting than the Sabres game and it's 4 minutes in.

Thank god for other hockey.

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Good: SJ / Chicago already more exciting than the Sabres game and it's 4 minutes in.

Thank god for other hockey.
This isn't on NHLN or NBCSN, is it? I haven't ordered the package yet, been stopping by Dad's to watch the games so far.

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This isn't on NHLN or NBCSN, is it? I haven't ordered the package yet, been stopping by Dad's to watch the games so far.
No clue, it's local for me

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02-05-2013, 09:51 PM
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It's a valid question I'm asking as well.

You'd be able to argue Hodgson's case if the net weren't empty, saying you wanted your first line out on the ice. But with a 6th attacker, it's a no-brainer that it should be someone who has a chance of winning a key draw. Ott at 50% this year is no guarantee to win the draw, but we know that A ) it's probably more likely he'll win it than Hodgson, and B ) Ott plays with tenacity, which is how to play at the dot after the puck is dropped.

If the puck is sitting on the dot after being dropped, we know Ott's going to get low, get leverage, and at least try to beast the puck somewhere. Hodgson, a finesse player, isn't going to get as dirty as Ott IMO.

Nobody on this team is a dot-specialist, we know that. And believe me: I'm not going to complain about coaching moves simply for the sake of complaining. But this one was obvious from the moment you saw the guys get set at the circle. Hodgson had no chance.

How do we not have someone brought in by now to keep our centers and a winger or two on the ice for an hour after practice to teach them the simple art of winning draws? Watch the hand of the ref, cheat until you're tossed (if you're even tossed), identify beforehand which teammate you want to try to draw the puck to, and leverage yourself into position. Mother****er, this is ****ing frustrating.
I totally agree with you. As soon as the whistle was blown after we almost scored and we had an offensive draw coming up I immediately watched to see if Ott would be coming onto the ice and he stayed on the bench. I saw the writing on the wall before the puck was ever dropped. Odds were totally in our favor that we'd lose that draw.

I agree on the Ott tenacity too. I think he has the desperation and willingness to sacrifice himself to try as hard as possible to win a faceoff in that sort of situation. And they don't put him out there. He's our best faceoff-man plain and simple.

Again, I love Hodgson and he was okay on the faceoffs tonight and improved over previous games earlier on this season but faceoffs are what he'll need to keep working on.

Still really wish we could have landed Konopka last summer. Our fourth line and faceoffs are both messes.

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G: Enroth managed to keep the GA to less than the number of digits I have on one hand.
B: I'm ready to let some defenseman take faceoffs and see what happens. It can't possibly be any worse.
U: Why did Tyler Ennis steal Andy Gibb's hair?



G: Tied for 3rd last in the league, Seth Jones is imminent

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I miss Gaustad on the draw at the end of the game.

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We need. NEED a competent back up or else Miller will now play 5938838472 in a row
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