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View Poll Results: 3 Stars of the Game
The dethroned King 11 6.55%
Del Zaster 31 18.45%
Staalsy wasn't bad! 16 9.52%
McWhat? 3 1.79%
Strawman 13 7.74%
Oh god, it's Gilroy 2 1.19%
Unemployed Stu 12 7.14%
Biron and Eminger 22 13.10%
Gabinvisble 6 3.57%
Nash oh Nash, where art thou 6 3.57%
Beaver 3 1.79%
lol Stepan 2 1.19%
Hags has wheels 16 9.52%
JT Jesus 79 47.02%
Chris... something. he was awesome 86 51.19%
Pyatt the Meh 2 1.19%
Brian Benched 4 2.38%
Aaron Bleed 6 3.57%
Jeff Faceoffman 4 2.38%
The New Guy 20 11.90%
Sullivan 10 5.95%
The 93-94 Rangers 56 33.33%
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02-05-2013, 10:05 PM
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I think Del Z can definitely be worse than Girardi..take this game for example.
I'm not really arguing that MDZ is better than Girardi just that Staal and McDonagh are both better than Girardi. That's how this started, apparently Girardi is our best dman.

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Do you guys know why Richards hasn't looked great so far? Because the power ply has lacked cohesion.

As Brad Richards goes, so goes the power play, and vice versa. I have said this for over a year now. If our PP improves, so will people's perception of Brad's play.
We need our #1 center to be more than a PP specialist. He's been spoonfed time with two elite wingers and looks old and overmatched.

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Because Gaborik doesn't "dangle" or do other crowd pleasing maneuvers. There was a time when hockey was based on results, now with this newer generation it is mostly about aesthetics, and short memories.
Wrong.

Its about give a *****.

When Gaborik gives a **** he's a game breaking player.

Problem is, he chooses not to give a **** far too often.

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Getting points and creating offense are not the same thing. Richards isn't producing in the way that warrants the kind of contract or ice time he has. I'm not looking for him to throw his weight around or provide jam and nothing I've written suggest that. I'm looking for him to actually play like a top center. He's simply not. He looks like a 2C. Stepan looks like a 3C, if that, right now. No, obviously, I wouldn't want Stepan anywhere near the 1C, but Richards doesn't look like it right now either and he's not going to get any younger or better. I was disappointed in Richards last year but the team did so well that I overlooked it and attributed it to him needing time to gel with his new team. And as long as he came through when it mattered, I was content. This year, he looks worse than last.
A 2C doesn't produce even as much as Richards has this season.

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You're really ready for Derek Stepan as our #1 center. Forget not playing great, I'd take Brad Richards on mustard gas over Stepan at 1C.
absolutely never....i've never been a big Stepan fan. Fact remains that Richards has played like dogsh*t and that cannot continue for a team that has "Cup Aspirations"

Richards better pick it up, or at least ramp up his passion, or else we're in for a long shortened season.....

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McDonagh makes far fewer mistakes than Girardi. Plus Girardi goes on long streaks where he plays like really poorly. Staal also has those streaks, but they're not as long. McDonagh is by far our most consistent defenseman.
I still believe Girardi is a calming influence on the blue line. Heart and soul player who is solid. Not the most talented (Staal and McD) but he is steady and rarely makes mistakes. He's made some mistakes early this season, but once he gets into his rhythm he is a solid D man.

As good as McD and Staal are, the D looked shaky without Girardi.

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I'm not really arguing that MDZ is better than Girardi just that Staal and McDonagh are both better than Girardi. That's how this started, apparently Girardi is our best dman.
I am aware, but even with that said, I don't think he's been worse than Del Z. Actually, so far this season, I think I can pinpoint more boneheaded plays from McD, Stall, and Del Z that ended up being goals than I can for G.

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A 2C doesn't produce even as much as Richards has this season.
Again. Stats versus HOW he is playing. It's a pretty small sample size. He's picked up some points. He hasn't played well. You're in love with the way Richards is playing? You're satisfied with his playmaking displays and creativity? He's QBing the PP well enough for you? He's playing like a leader deserving of the A and tons of ice time? Or he has X number of points, which satisfies your requirements for his role so everything else is moot?

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People are surprised that an older player who didn't play during the lockout looks slow?

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Wrong.

Its about give a *****.

When Gaborik gives a **** he's a game breaking player.

Problem is, he chooses not to give a **** far too often.
It's not just Gabby though, many of our forwards look like they don't give a **** lately. I was screaming at Richards when he just glided past Gaborik, who was trying to get the puck out of the zone and was being tied up, right to the bench.

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Gaborik led both team with 5 shots on goal. He just couldn't get one to pop. Guy was the Rangers offense last season. 2 40 goal seasons for the Rangers. How is he so infuriating?

Richards made an incredible play on the Krieder goal. Looked like Nylander feeding Jargon off the rush.


I'm not so ready to jump on these guys. Though this game was more bad bounces than anything.
Exactly. God damn do people give up on this team at the drop of a hat. I have to start staying away from here after losses.

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Boy, we sure are Great at making good goalies look fantastic..

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A.) Take a step back and go screw yourself. Where have I written anything about JAM or wanting Richards to play physical.
Well if it's not JAM then what more do you want? He's not that big and he's not that fast. He quietly produces. That's what he's always been. What do you want out of the guy?

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B.) Read my actual post before making a smart-ass response. Specifically the two separate sentences (of the what, 5 in total) that both say I DON'T agree with the whole building around Nash idea.
I understand that, but you mentioned spending 15M. On what? There's no better than Richards out there as a UFA.

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I'm not really arguing that MDZ is better than Girardi just that Staal and McDonagh are both better than Girardi. That's how this started, apparently Girardi is our best dman.
He's not our best. He's just steady, solid and a calming influence. He's very good at positioning and he rarely makes mistakes. As someone else said, he's the glue.

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Gaborik is infuriating. This is why I wouldn't re-sign him and hence would deal him over the off season. Too inconsistent, soft and relies too much on other players to deserve another long term deal which he will get on the open market.

Richards still hasn't looked good this season. Possible buyout? I wouldn't be totally opposed to it.
The team is struggling to score consistently. Letting the sniper who carried the offense his entire time here walk and then buying out your 1C is going to make things much, much worse. Losing two players who have game breaking potential for absolutely nothing in return is not going to help this team. How would that possibly work? There aren't a ton of 30/30 centers and 40 goal scorers out there that can be had for just money. You can't just let the ones you have go and hope new ones fall into your lap.

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How about we just trade Boyle for Getzlaf?

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People are surprised that an older player who didn't play during the lockout looks slow?
Exactly. It will take time for him to get going, as it will the team in general because of all the new faces. People are simply ready to jump off a bridge because of the shortened season and all the waiting during the lockout. People wanted to see a team in mid-season form right out of the gates. The Rangers are one of the teams that suffered the most from not having a full training camp. Torts' system depends on conditioning and his "system" and with all the new face a full training camp was needed. Now they're all trying to learn it and gel on the fly.

Hopefully it doesn't take too much longer for them to gel, because with the shortened season it could quickly become a problem.

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Again. Stats versus HOW he is playing. It's a pretty small sample size. He's picked up some points. He hasn't played well. You're in love with the way Richards is playing? You're satisfied with his playmaking displays and creativity? He's QBing the PP well enough for you? He's playing like a leader deserving of the A and tons of ice time? Or he has X number of points, which satisfies your requirements for his role so everything else is moot?
Pretty much. Richards, Gaborik, and Nash are here to score. I don't care what they do besides that. They can eat puppies for all I care.

I would like to see more PP production but it's horribly coached. Gretzky in his prime couldn't produce on our PP.

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It's amazing how people call Gaborik infuriating and revere Nash.

One of these players appears very quiet and sometimes you wonder if he's playing and he somehow has 5 goals. The other one dominates the ice and wows on every shift and somehow only has 2 goals.

Which one of these players is really infuriating?

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I'm not really arguing that MDZ is better than Girardi just that Staal and McDonagh are both better than Girardi. That's how this started, apparently Girardi is our best dman.
McD is clearly our best D-man......which is why I have the SN I have. But imho, Girardi is the real glue of the D at this time. He's got more experience, has had more battle tested games, and being the veteran he is, it clearly calms and unifies our D. You can see this game, we missed Dan Girardi. And again.....read closely. This doesn't mean he's our best or most talented blueliner, but he's just as important

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Pretty much. Richards, Gaborik, and Nash are here to score. I don't care what they do besides that. They can eat puppies for all I care.

I would like to see more PP production but it's horribly coached. Gretzky in his prime couldn't produce on our PP.
Our offense is horrendous. Richards is playing with two of the best wingers and goal scorers in the world. Him having 7 points, a few of which were dumb luck does not satisfy my requirements for a #1C on the contract he's on playing with that kind of talent on his wings. He's been handed a DREAM opportunity, playing between those two guys and he has been MASSIVELY... MASSIVELY... MASSIVELY underwhelming. Having X number of points doesn't buy you a free pass. His job is to make the offense go. He gets paid to be the guy who can thread the needle and set these elite goal scorers up with opportunities. He has instead banging in a couple of rebounds and picked up a few points here and there while leading a completely flat, uninspired, ineffectual and plain bogus offense. He has better help than any center in the NHL could ask for, on his wings. He looks old, slow and uneffective. He's not creating. He's not assisting. He's not QBing. He's not leading. He's cashed in on a couple of opportune moments (like banging in a couple of rebounds on plays where Nash made everything happen). He hasn't done ANYTHING to warrant praise this season, despite being given a fantasy gig. And I have NO idea why he wears an A on this team besides having been Torts' golden boy almost a decade ago.

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It's amazing how people call Gaborik infuriating and revere Nash.

One of these players appears very quiet and sometimes you wonder if he's playing and he somehow has 5 goals. The other one dominates the ice and wows on every shift and somehow only has 2 goals.

Which one of these players is really infuriating?
Garorik is CLEARLY more infuriating, without a doubt

Nash actually asserts himself.....and gives a cr*p on almost (if not every) shift

That's the last thing you can say about out one-trick pony in Gaborik

Just because Gabby has more goals tells nothing about how engaged a player is shift after shift.......

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McD is clearly our best D-man......which is why I have the SN I have. But imho, Girardi is the real glue of the D at this time. He's got more experience, has had more battle tested games, and being the veteran he is, it clearly calms and unifies our D. You can see this game, we missed Dan Girardi. And again.....read closely. This doesn't mean he's our best or most talented blueliner, but he's just as important
You weren't even the one who said it, there's nothing I need to read closely.

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Don't forget, Richards had the flu and missed some days of training camp.

Give him some time. He'll come around.

Torts said something similar last year when Richie had a slow start. Torts has confidence in him. We should too.

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Garorik is CLEARLY more infuriating, without a doubt

Nash actually asserts himself.....and gives a cr*p on almost (if not every) shift

That's the last thing you can say about out one-trick pony in Gaborik

Just because Gabby has more goals tells nothing about how engaged a player is shift after shift.......
I find it more infuriating that Nash is night in and night out the most dominant force on the ice and his numbers don't come close to matching that.

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