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02-05-2013, 11:47 AM
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Looks like the 2012 draft is going to be right up there with our 11, 10, 09 and 08 drafts.

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We haven't heard much in that regards. He's been skating, but I'm not sure if he's doing contact drills yet.

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We haven't heard much in that regards. He's been skating, but I'm not sure if he's doing contact drills yet.
If Fowler's injury becomes something that will take a lot of time to recover from, then I hope Lindholm recovers sooner as the Ducks could really use an extra defenseman that can be calm, handle the puck, and push the puck out of the defensive zone. All the things that Allen struggles at except for being gritty.

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02-05-2013, 02:18 PM
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If Fowler's injury becomes something that will take a lot of time to recover from, then I hope Lindholm recovers sooner as the Ducks could really use an extra defenseman that can be calm, handle the puck, and push the puck out of the defensive zone. All the things that Allen struggles at except for being gritty.
I would be pretty shocked if Anaheim wasn't willing to give him a look. I just think it comes down to his health.

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02-05-2013, 02:28 PM
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I would be pretty shocked if Anaheim wasn't willing to give him a look. I just think it comes down to his health.
Yeah, he sure does seem to be operating under the cone of silence as far as his health goes. I can't understand all the secrecy about his status. Are the Ducks somehow pulling a fast one on the league?

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02-05-2013, 02:48 PM
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Yeah, he sure does seem to be operating under the cone of silence as far as his health goes. I can't understand all the secrecy about his status. Are the Ducks somehow pulling a fast one on the league?
I think the Ducks have gotten pretty smart about this aspect, because isn't Lindholm technically not with Anaheim or Norfolk, but he's practicing with the ducks still, same with Sami before he officially was called up. Maybe they found a loophole of some sort idk, but they seem to know exactly what they're doing.

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02-05-2013, 03:22 PM
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I think the Ducks have gotten pretty smart about this aspect, because isn't Lindholm technically not with Anaheim or Norfolk, but he's practicing with the ducks still, same with Sami before he officially was called up. Maybe they found a loophole of some sort idk, but they seem to know exactly what they're doing.
Yeah, that's why I questioned all the silence. Somebody is paying the kid something and paying expenses. And you would think the union would want HL getting credit for NHL seniority and pay if he was "on the roster" but injured, and if he wasn't you would think the league would have some restrictions on what he is or is not allowed to do with the team. It's just weird.

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02-05-2013, 03:35 PM
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I'd love to see Lindholm with the big boys in Vatanen's place. Get the feeling he'd be able to handle it better.

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02-05-2013, 04:34 PM
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He'd still be a 19 year old rookie, so he'll still be shaky.

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02-05-2013, 04:38 PM
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He'd still be a 19 year old rookie, so he'll still be shaky.
Yeah, but at this point he would probably still be more defensively sound than Allen. I can't see him being any worse.

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02-05-2013, 04:49 PM
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Yeah, but at this point he would probably still be more defensively sound than Allen. I can't see him being any worse.
Not at all. There's an obvious difference in talent level, but it's not that Allen is being handled by opposing forwards, he's making mistakes that a talented 19 year old blueliner like Hampus wouldn't make...often. If I'm comparing the two this year based on individual decision making and attributes (physical shape. I think one of Allen's problems is he might be out of shape as some noted at training camp) alone, I feel safer with Hampus. Can he handle the NHL? That remains to be seen, but if he's healthy, I'd say we can afford to give the experiment a try. Can't see it being worse than Vatanen who hasn't been bad. Just not great.

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Lindholm proved that he's better than Sami when healthy. I think they're going to give him a serious chance this season at some point

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02-05-2013, 06:09 PM
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Yeah, but at this point he would probably still be more defensively sound than Allen. I can't see him being any worse.
Oh, I'm definitely not disagreeing with that. Remember I thought he was good enough to earn a spot on our opening night roster. I'd still put him in over Lydman than Allen. I'd like to have Hampus out there with a bodyguard like Bryan.

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02-05-2013, 07:03 PM
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Oh, I'm definitely not disagreeing with that. Remember I thought he was good enough to earn a spot on our opening night roster. I'd still put him in over Lydman than Allen. I'd like to have Hampus out there with a bodyguard like Bryan.
And thein lies the conundrum. Everybody wants a tough guy in their lineup who can play hockey. And there just aren't 30 of them to go around. You can have a tough guy or you can have a hockey player. Seems you can't have both.

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02-05-2013, 07:07 PM
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Lindholm proved that he's better than Sami when healthy. I think they're going to give him a serious chance this season at some point
in terms of defense. I'd agree..

i would like lindholm in as well for vatanen if he's healthy. vatanen needs to be sent down and to work on his defense for the rest of the season. We all know he's a stud offensively, but a full season (or rest of the season) that he just purely focuses on learning how to play defense on the smaller ice will be really good for him

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And thein lies the conundrum. Everybody wants a tough guy in their lineup who can play hockey. And there just aren't 30 of them to go around. You can have a tough guy or you can have a hockey player. Seems you can't have both.
I realize that Allen makes mistakes, but I think you're going overboard. He isn't just a tough guy.

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I realize that Allen makes mistakes, but I think you're going overboard. He isn't just a tough guy.
I try not to overreact play by play or game to game. But so far, Allen has been pure ****. He hasn't played one good game. I realize if he plays the whole season he will likely have some better games. But he was hyped as a lot more than just another Andy Sutton. He wasn't supposed to be Bobby Orr, but he sure wasn't supposed to be Andy Sutton.

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He hadn't played since April last year. The layoff is going to affect some guys more than others. Perry is another guy that it's clearly affecting.

As for Lindholm - from what I saw before he was hurt he is probably good enough to play in the NHL right away. But again he's not really an upgrade over what we already have so I would rather see him go down to Norfolk and play 25 minutes a night than play 14 on the third pairing in the NHL.

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He hadn't played since April last year. The layoff is going to affect some guys more than others. Perry is another guy that it's clearly affecting.

As for Lindholm - from what I saw before he was hurt he is probably good enough to play in the NHL right away. But again he's not really an upgrade over what we already have so I would rather see him go down to Norfolk and play 25 minutes a night than play 14 on the third pairing in the NHL.
I agree, but I'd still like to see Anaheim give him a look. He just looked so smooth and confident in Norfolk, and he quickly became the team's best defenseman. I'd like to see how he handles himself out there. We might be surprised.

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Lindholm has all the tools to suceed in the NHL right now. He's definitely big enough, he's really fast for a guy his size, he moves the puck well, and he's super calm, and always makes the smart play coming out of his own zone. I think the reason the Ducks are taking it slow with Lindholm is because they know that once he's fully healthy, he's going to be a big weapon down the stretch.

I think one of Allen/Lydman will be dealt around the trade deadline. I really hope it's Allen...

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Yeah, that's why I questioned all the silence. Somebody is paying the kid something and paying expenses. And you would think the union would want HL getting credit for NHL seniority and pay if he was "on the roster" but injured, and if he wasn't you would think the league would have some restrictions on what he is or is not allowed to do with the team. It's just weird.
I had this discussion about Lindholm and salary. Once Lindholm played 10 games in the AHL, then his ELC was fully initiated. So he's paid for the whole season. His option to be released to play in WJC doesn't stop his payment. I guess the only possibility there would be no payment would be due to him not returning and the Ducks' organization putting in a formal complaint. But with concussion, the medical staff with Anaheim would probably be of higher quality than down at Norfolk. Not only that, but there are more specialists in the OC and LA for concussions. So it was a great turn of fortunes that Lindholm is part of the parent team. I mean, he could have stayed with the Ducks anyhow by putting him on IR a la Vatanen.

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Lindholm has all the tools to suceed in the NHL right now. He's definitely big enough, he's really fast for a guy his size, he moves the puck well, and he's super calm, and always makes the smart play coming out of his own zone. I think the reason the Ducks are taking it slow with Lindholm is because they know that once he's fully healthy, he's going to be a big weapon down the stretch.

I think one of Allen/Lydman will be dealt around the trade deadline. I really hope it's Allen...
Seeing how injuries can pile up and if we're in a playoff run, then I'd refrain from trading anyone. Doesn't seem worth losing Lydman for the playoff run even though he's a FA. As for Allen, he's signed for the next couple of years and so he's still a tradeable asset during the offseason. Lindholm and Vatanen are still rookies so there's a lot to make up for their experience.

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Seeing how injuries can pile up and if we're in a playoff run, then I'd refrain from trading anyone. Doesn't seem worth losing Lydman for the playoff run even though he's a FA. As for Allen, he's signed for the next couple of years and so he's still a tradeable asset during the offseason. Lindholm and Vatanen are still rookies so there's a lot to make up for their experience.
I understand that point completely. However, look who the Kings had on defense last year. They had two very young, and inexperienced puck movers back there (Martinez and Voynov), and they paired them with veterans - which worked to perfection. They had:

Doughty-Scuderi
Mitchell-Voynov
Martinez-Greene


I'm not saying we should have both Vatanen and Lindholm in the lineup come playoff time, but I think something like this is very reasonable:

Fowler-Lydman
Souray-Beauchamin
Sbisa-Lindholm

That's a mobile defense, and everyone in that lineup at worst can be average in their own zone.

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I love Rakell, but man, Saad looks great out there.

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