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02-05-2013, 10:33 PM
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Redmond had a few errors near the end but he's a rookie working above his head so he did pretty awesome.
Postma, Burmi and Little were all awesome
And... Stuart scored the tying goal (one of Redmond's assists), delivered the hit of the game and helped with our 100% penalty kill!

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Ralph droppin' some knowledge bombs on the old 1290 post-gamer.

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Other than Machacek being quicker, smarter offensively, better hands, better shot, better offensive awareness. They are not at all similar players.

Wright is a big strong twoway player, very responsible defensively. Machacek is more of a wrecking ball, runs around more, not as good defensively, but much much better offensively, more willing to engage physically (sometimes draws himself out of postion).

I think a Wright - Slater- Machacek 4th line would be great, Wright and Thorburn are redundant pieces, IMO.
And that's why Wright is in the show and Mach on the farm? When I said smarter I referred to Mach taking some dumb penalties with us at the end of the season, Wright seems pretty disciplined, he (Mach) may be better offensively but he's also a couple years older give Wright some more time. There was something about Mach that seemed to turn off the Jets on him this year, I actually thought he was a lock to make the team.

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Just getting home, nice to get the two points.

Agree with the sentiments regarding Redmond and postma. They should both not be seeing the rock again.

And after the earlier discussions, Burmi was great tonight. He pushes the play when he's out there and his possision of the puck on the boards is very good. Great game for him.

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Other than Machacek being quicker, smarter offensively, better hands, better shot, better offensive awareness. They are not at all similar players.

Wright is a big strong twoway player, very responsible defensively. Machacek is more of a wrecking ball, runs around more, not as good defensively, but much much better offensively, more willing to engage physically (sometimes draws himself out of postion).

I think a Wright - Slater- Machacek 4th line would be great, Wright and Thorburn are redundant pieces, IMO.
For the role they're playing (4th line). I'd pick Wright over Machacek. The added offense Machacek could bring is pretty redundant considering the minutes/linemates he'd receive. The defensive weaknesses would be magnified in that role and positional mistakes could be deadly.

That being said is Thorburn all that great defensively? I could see Machecek easily slotting in over Thorbs.

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By quicker you mean shiftier? I would probably agree with that, but IMHO Wright has much better top end speed than Machacek. Spencer has always struck me as a choppy skater with average top end speed, which does limit what he can do offensively.

I'm pretty much indifferent to both players. They're both dime-a-dozen 4th liners that you're always looking to improve upon, although I would tend towards Machacek having a bit more upside and untapped potential.
Yeah exactly. Machacek turns away from pressure in the corners, can make moves with the puck Wright can't. Quickness=shiftyness, turning, pivoting, stopping in my book, speed means top end speed.

I think Speed is the most overrated attribute in the game of hockey. Plenty of the best players in the league do not have great speed (Crosby, Giroux, St. Louis, P. Kane, etc, etc) but they are still quick and usually strong on their skates. People overvalue it, IMO.

Still think Machacek will be a grittier Chad LaRose type very valuable 3rd line player that can fill in on top 6 when injuries hit. Just needs his chance.

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Ralph droppin' some knowledge bombs on the old 1290 post-gamer.
Ralph: "I said last week if you want to win games you have to score more goals than the other side."

The only reason I don't pity Rick is because he gets paid to deal with the boneheads... and he seems to enjoy himself.

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One thing that I really noticed is how calm Redmond is with the puck. Didn't play a perfect game, but definitely had a confidence when he was being pressured.

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Well he didn't see his shadow near the boards
Does that mean, Jets have 6 more weeks of inconsistent play ahead?

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Hainsey will definitely be gone by the deadline with the play of postma and redmond.
I agree. He should bring a decent return considering the need for a veteran defenseman around the league is high.


That 4-3 powerplay until Little scored looked brutal. It's obviously a situation that hasn't been practiced.

One thing I didn't like was Wheeler in the slot and having Kane and Jokinen cycling the puck. Kane does not handle the puck well when not skating up ice. Rather see Burmi on the pp with Jokinen.

Happy we got the 2 points and hopefully Pavs gained back some confidence.

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For the role they're playing (4th line). I'd pick Wright over Machacek. The added offense Machacek could bring is pretty redundant considering the minutes/linemates he'd receive. The defensive weaknesses would be magnified in that role and positional mistakes could be deadly.

That being said is Thorburn all that great defensively? I could see Machecek easily slotting in over Thorbs.
The fourth line has been completely useless in the offensive zone this year. The cannot even maintain a presence in the offensive zone. The best defense is a good offense, IMO. They cannot score when the puck is in their end (unless Vesa Toskala is in your net, but that's another story).

None of Wright, Slater, Thorburn have any offensive skill. All 3 are strong defensively, IMO. Adding a player like Machacek that can create some openings in the offensive zone, while still having Wright and Slater to be rocks in the D zone, will help that line out. I don't expect them to start scoring much, but maybe they can start taking the game to the opponent, rather than simply defending. And Machacek is no slouch defensively. He is not a Wright, but he is far from terrible, he is at least average (better than a Kane, Miettienen, etc).

Just think he would balance the line better and allow the line to start punishing the opponent and wearing them down in the offensive zone rather than being stuck in our own end defending.

I am also a fan of versatile rosters, in Machacek you have a guy who can step into other roles as well and succeed, rather than 4 guys who cannot play anything but 4th line purely defensive roles (Wright, Slater, Thorburn, Peluso).

EDIT: However, Machacek seems to be struggling badly in the AHL since training camp. I really think it is time for him to move onto another organization where he won't have the baggage that he has here. Would still like to find another piece for the 4th line that brings something more than defensive awareness and size. Maybe try to grab Mark Mancari or Luke Adam from Buffalo?


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Postma and Redmond completely outplayed every Jets defender not named Enstrom. I'm sure they likely can't sustain it but if they did, I'd hope the Jets would trade Hainsey for an Oduya-like return and park Clitsome in the press box for the remainder of the year.

Burmi seemed to relish the opportunity to play a more offensive role. He really simplified his entries to the offensive zone and other than his timing being a bit off on a couple cross-seam passes he looked pretty dangerous. I also like how he played the front of the net more than ever - hopefully he can bulk up and continue that type of play. As always he was a hawk in the neutral zone picking off passes.

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The fourth line has been completely useless in the offensive zone this year. The cannot even maintain a presence in the offensive zone. The best defense is a good offense, IMO. They cannot score when the puck is in their end (unless Vesa Toskala is in your net, but that's another story).

None of Wright, Slater, Thorburn have any offensive skill. All 3 are strong defensively, IMO. Adding a player like Machacek that can create some openings in the offensive zone, while still having Wright and Slater to be rocks in the D zone, will help that line out. I don't expect them to start scoring much, but maybe they can start taking the game to the opponent, rather than simply defending. And Machacek is no slouch defensively. He is not a Wright, but he is far from terrible, he is at least average (better than a Kane, Miettienen, etc).

Just think he would balance the line better and allow the line to start punishing the opponent and wearing them down in the offensive zone rather than being stuck in our own end defending.

I am also a fan of versatile rosters, in Machacek you have a guy who can step into other roles as well and succeed, rather than 4 guys who cannot play anything but 4th line purely defensive roles (Wright, Slater, Thorburn, Peluso).
I don't think Machacek would be a good fit on the 4th line. We already have 3 scoring lines and adding more offence to our 4th line wouldn't make any sense. Wright is more of an energy forward, and while he hasn't put up any points, he does well harassing the opposing team in their end and creating space for his team mates. While it would be nice to score some goals, it is not their job. We have 3 other lines that need to pitch in on that front.

IMO, Machacek would be a decent fit on the 3rd line with Poni and Antropov untill Wellwood finds his game. Otherwise, he is better served in the minors until he picks up his own game.

Edit: Saying Slater has no offensive game isn't right at all. He is terribly underrated offensively. If he was on a line with other two-way players, he could easily rack up 30 points a season.

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None of Wright, Slater, Thorburn have any offensive skill.
Of course I see your point, but don't underestimate Slater. He's had three 10-goal seasons playing his entire career on the 3rd and 4th line. Thorburn shows flashes from time to time, too. These guys are decent 4th liners on any team.

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I agree. He should bring a decent return considering the need for a veteran defenseman around the league is high.


That 4-3 powerplay until Little scored looked brutal. It's obviously a situation that hasn't been practiced.

One thing I didn't like was Wheeler in the slot and having Kane and Jokinen cycling the puck. Kane does not handle the puck well when not skating up ice. Rather see Burmi on the pp with Jokinen.

Happy we got the 2 points and hopefully Pavs gained back some confidence.
I cringe when he gets the puck and he is not going up the boards passing to his favorite linemate...Kane. He can pass on the fly fairly well, but puck cycling, and reading where his team mates are going to be...not so much.
Just wish they would take some time to develop his passing game more.
I agree fully, Burmi moves the puck far better and does not lose it as much, and if he does, there is a good chance he is going to steal it back. Just wish the kid would shoot a little more, when he does he seems to get goals.

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I don't think Machacek would be a good fit on the 4th line. We already have 3 scoring lines and adding more offence to our 4th line wouldn't make any sense. Wright is more of an energy forward, and while he hasn't put up any points, he does well harassing the opposing team in their end and creating space for his team mates. While it would be nice to score some goals, it is not their job. We have 3 other lines that need to pitch in on that front.

IMO, Machacek would be a decent fit on the 3rd line with Poni and Antropov untill Wellwood finds his game. Otherwise, he is better served in the minors until he picks up his game.
I like the idea of being able to roll 4 lines out at teams that can all attack you and put the pressure on. I don't see that on our 4th line right now, it's too defensively orientated, IMO. Wright is a smart safe defensive forward, not an energy forward. He does not have the speed or hitting to be an "energy" forward. He does create some room in the offensive zone with puck protection and size, but that's where adding some offense on the line will enable them to cycle better and become a more consistent threat to opponents (not I did not say threat to score). I am not saying they should switch to an offensive focus, but improve the lines ability to maintain pressure, ala GST last year at times.

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Postma and Redmond completely outplayed every Jets defender not named Enstrom. I'm sure they likely can't sustain it but if they did, I'd hope the Jets would trade Hainsey for an Oduya-like return and park Clitsome in the press box for the remainder of the year.
This. I really like our defensive depth in a year or two.

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Stuart is a great 3rd pairing D. Everything you want on the PK. I'd hate to see him go, but a playoff team needing a shut-down defender would part with some assets for him.

Clitsome -- I don't know how he stays over Postma and Remond.

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Of course I see your point, but don't underestimate Slater. He's had three 10-goal seasons playing his entire career on the 3rd and 4th line. Thorburn shows flashes from time to time, too. These guys are decent 4th liners on any team.
Nothing against Thorburn. I don't mind him. But I think Wright is a younger more versatile version of him, and having them both on the ice at the same time is redundant.

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The fourth line has been completely useless in the offensive zone this year. The cannot even maintain a presence in the offensive zone. The best defense is a good offense, IMO. They cannot score when the puck is in their end (unless Vesa Toskala is in your net, but that's another story).

None of Wright, Slater, Thorburn have any offensive skill. All 3 are strong defensively, IMO. Adding a player like Machacek that can create some openings in the offensive zone, while still having Wright and Slater to be rocks in the D zone, will help that line out. I don't expect them to start scoring much, but maybe they can start taking the game to the opponent, rather than simply defending. And Machacek is no slouch defensively. He is not a Wright, but he is far from terrible, he is at least average (better than a Kane, Miettienen, etc).

Just think he would balance the line better and allow the line to start punishing the opponent and wearing them down in the offensive zone rather than being stuck in our own end defending.

I am also a fan of versatile rosters, in Machacek you have a guy who can step into other roles as well and succeed, rather than 4 guys who cannot play anything but 4th line purely defensive roles (Wright, Slater, Thorburn, Peluso).
Completely agree with this. The Jets 4th line often gets overlooked, but the more and more I watch Wright-Slater-Thor fumble the puck around and spend time running around in their end, the more I'm thinking it's a real weakness that needs to be addressed.

My only thought is that it might not be such a bad idea to have Miettinen or Wellwood taking either Wright or Thorburn's spot on the 4th. Preferably Miettinen, I've always been of the opinion that his confidence has been battered by coaches who somehow think he can fullfill a scoring role. He simply can't, what he can do is provide some offense in spurts and do a good job retaining possession. The Mittens I remember watching with Minnesota was much better than what he showed with the Jets last year (although whether he gets back to that level could be another story...)

But yeah, Machacek could work as well.

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Anyone else notice that Blake Wheeler is -8 on the year? I think the Kane - Olli - Wheeler line needs to break up as they are not very good in their own end.

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Edit: Saying Slater has no offensive game isn't right at all. He is terribly underrated offensively. If he was on a line with other two-way players, he could easily rack up 30 points a season.
And yet in 7 NHL seasons his career high is 21pts, last year when he was given probably the most minutes of his career. At 30 years old you really think he is for some career years ahead?

If you need other players to carry you to 30 points, you do not have anything in the way of an offensive game at the NHL level.

I like Slater. He is a great 4th line C. He is not offensively inclined at all. That is fine. That is not at all what he is paid to do. But let's not kid ourselves here.

Not too mention the whole point is that a player with better offensive awareness combined with Wright's size and puck protection will increase Slater's offensive numbers.

But again, that's not the point. The point is to be attacking the opponent more, rather than sitting back and playing defense as the 4th line currently is.

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Completely agree with this. The Jets 4th line often gets overlooked, but the more and more I watch Wright-Slater-Thor fumble the puck around and spend time running around in their end, the more I'm thinking it's a real weakness that needs to be addressed.

My only thought is that it might not be such a bad idea to have Miettinen or Wellwood taking either Wright or Thorburn's spot on the 4th. Preferably Miettinen, I've always been of the opinion that his confidence has been battered by coaches who somehow think he can fullfill a scoring role. He simply can't, what he can do is provide some offense in spurts and do a good job retaining possession. The Mittens I remember watching with Minnesota was much better than what he showed with the Jets last year (although whether he gets back to that level could be another story...)

But yeah, Machacek could work as well.
Thing that bothers me about Miettinen is that he was one of the worst (along with Wheeler and Kane) at getting the puck out of the zone last year. He was terrible at our own blueline. That really rubbed me the wrong way. He was supposed to be the smart safe veteran and he kept coughing up the puck at the blueline. We'll see I guess, but I don't place if any faith in him personally.

Maybe a Wellwood, but I'd like someone with more grit that will be able to fit into the cycle game. That's likely all a Wright/Thorburn - Slater line is likely to produce, so somebody used to that and can contribute in that sense would make more sense, IMO.

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