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02-04-2013, 12:50 AM
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Like I claimed before, he was the best player in his role arguably for multiple seasons. No matter how you slice it, it means something. Throw in his off-ice influence and I agree with his #4 position, can see him as high as #3.
But his role is a far less significant role. I'd rather be the 25th best quarterback than the best punter.

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Like I claimed before, he was the best player in his role arguably for multiple seasons. No matter how you slice it, it means something. Throw in his off-ice influence and I agree with his #4 position, can see him as high as #3.
I couldnt care less if he was the Ali of enforcers. Its a best players list and goons hardly qualify as players. I wouldnt put him in my top 10 especially over a player like Grier who was a solid defensive winger that chips in 15-20 goals and plays valuable minutes. What a player does on the ice and how valuable he is to his team means more.


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02-04-2013, 07:42 AM
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Surprised no one's mentioned Andreas Lilja yet.
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Not American/canadian
I'd rather say he is not African.
Kölzig's parents are German and he was coincidentally born in South Africa because they worked there for three years.

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I'd rather say he is not African.
Kölzig's parents are German and he was coincidentally born in South Africa because they worked there for three years.
True enough. Either way, can't call a South African born, German citizen an African American.

I really hate this PC garbage. Just serves to confuse people.

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02-04-2013, 08:09 PM
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I remember Tony McKegney as a decent player. Not as good as Fuhr or Iginla but a good player.

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02-05-2013, 05:33 PM
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Depends on how you define it:


Hockey's First Black Captain: Graham was technically the first player of African (i.e. black) descent to be named captain of an NHL team, although his racial makeup was predominantly caucasian. Graham's claim to this honor was neglected in October 2003 media coverage of Calgary's Jarome Iginla becoming the NHL's "first black captain." Although the issue hardly seems relevant in a modern, multi-racial society, it is worth noting that Iginla had one black parent, while Graham had one mixed-race parent. Therefore any potential definition of the "first black captain" would depend on the ancestral criteria used.
http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1979/79089.html
Strange I never knew this, although I guess it just didn't get brought up since Graham was white. Throughout Graham's career I never remember him ever being refered to someone who is 1/4 black even. If we're going by that standard, then I think you can argue Graham is 3rd behind Fuhr and Iginla on this list.

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Like I claimed before, he was the best player in his role arguably for multiple seasons. No matter how you slice it, it means something. Throw in his off-ice influence and I agree with his #4 position, can see him as high as #3.
Consistent at what? Fighting? This grants you a spot on the top 10 list. Wow, guy wasn't a very good skater, didn't score much and barely had any ice time but you think he is above all these guys:

Grant Fuhr
Fred Braithwaite
Mike Grier
Anson Carter
Sandy McCarthy
Evander Kane
Jerome Iginla
Kyle Okposo
Dustin Byfuglien
Wayne Simmons
Francis Bouillon
Bryce Salvador
Ray Emery
Dirk Graham
PK Subban

and even Donald Brashear who was able to stay in the league for 1025 games.

Come up with an argument better than he was the best at gooning. Tell me how BGL beats any of those players I mentioned. . Because the rest of BGL skills were below average, very below average.

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02-05-2013, 05:48 PM
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Strange I never knew this, although I guess it just didn't get brought up since Graham was white. Throughout Graham's career I never remember him ever being refered to someone who is 1/4 black even. If we're going by that standard, then I think you can argue Graham is 3rd behind Fuhr and Iginla on this list.

He even won a Selke to go to his credit.

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Come up with an argument better than he was the best at gooning. Tell me how BGL beats any of those players I mentioned. . Because the rest of BGL skills were below average, very below average.
I agree with you that he doesn't eclipse most of the guys you listed, but people tend to forget about his 13 goal effort in 2001. His 29 points in 742 minutes of ice time actually puts him in line with Ron Francis for pts/min that year. Obviously, that didn't make him a first liner or even a top sixer that year, but a guy who can score like that, while putting up 18 fights, including wins against Domi and Thornton, while still note coming anywhere near the league PIM leaderboard (only 58 minutes not accounted for by fights, and some of those may have been misconducts), makes a hella valuable role player.
Too bad Edmonton wasn't nearly a contender that year.

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... gotta go with a Tie here. Fuhr & Iginla. The former one of the Greatest Goaltenders of All Time IMHO, the latter an incredibly smart, savvy, humble & beyond talented player, the very face of the Flames. Sad day when he retires.

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... gotta go with a Tie here. Fuhr & Iginla. The former one of the Greatest Goaltenders of All Time IMHO, the latter an incredibly smart, savvy, humble & beyond talented player, the very face of the Flames. Sad day when he retires.
This is about right with Dirk Graham coming in 3rd.

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02-05-2013, 07:49 PM
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south african german
Is he Afrikaans of German descent or German?

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I agree with you that he doesn't eclipse most of the guys you listed, but people tend to forget about his 13 goal effort in 2001. His 29 points in 742 minutes of ice time actually puts him in line with Ron Francis for pts/min that year. Obviously, that didn't make him a first liner or even a top sixer that year, but a guy who can score like that, while putting up 18 fights, including wins against Domi and Thornton, while still note coming anywhere near the league PIM leaderboard (only 58 minutes not accounted for by fights, and some of those may have been misconducts), makes a hella valuable role player.
Too bad Edmonton wasn't nearly a contender that year.
Which represents close to 1/5th of his career goal total. He's a 4th liner and a goon. Nothing more, I am not even sure if was the undisputed goon champion. He had a lot of myth behind him than actual ass kicking.

Here is his fight card. http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/110

He had a tough time beating Jody Shelley, Scott Parker, Peter Worrell, and even Shawn Thornton beat him once. In fact I don't think he ever beat Shelley. BGL wrestled a lot to the ice more than he outright bashed anyone in. BGL is more myth than reality.

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Is he Afrikaans of German descent or German?
Born in South African, grew up/raised in Canada. Took a German passport so he would have an easier time getting on a international team. His parents were German.

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Born in South African, grew up/raised in Canada. Took a German passport so he would have an easier time getting on a international team. His parents were German.
I believe he allready had the passport and Team Germany noticed it before the 1996 World Cup. Cant really remember his first reaction though.

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I remember Tony McKegney as a decent player. Not as good as Fuhr or Iginla but a good player.
639 points in 912 games ain't too shabby. Had goal totals of 36, 37 and 40.

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I think it's kinda cool that the best black players in the NHL both played for teams in Alberta. Fuhr was amazing and so is Iginla. I was a big fan of Anson Carter when he played at MSU and in the NHL. He had skills and he was talented. Nowadays the ones I like to watch are Evander Kane, PK Subban, and Joel Ward. I love Ward's work ethic. I know a lot of Preds fans still miss him.

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I know Claude Vilgrain was an afro-american player in New Jersey. Why he fell off the cliff so quick?
His only full season was statisticaly no dissapointment (46 points in 76 games) and put up good numbers in Canadian National Team (I know the circumstances).

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639 points in 912 games ain't too shabby. Had goal totals of 36, 37 and 40.
Yeah, in the eighties. What is that now, 25 or 30 at best.

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Is he Afrikaans of German descent or German?
German.

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Yeah, in the eighties. What is that now, 25 or 30 at best.
40 goals in the 80s would be around 32-35 today. Also he said that he was a decent player. Wouldnt you call a guy scoring 30 goals today, a decent player? Basically everyone who scored more or equal amount of goals as him in '88 are in the hof. I'd call that decent.

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