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02-06-2013, 07:14 AM
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Anaheims gonna need Hiller on his game if they want to go anywhere.
funny to see people calling him average, clearly never watched him before all that vertigo BS, even second half of last year he was really good

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02-06-2013, 08:40 AM
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Kessel for Hiller doesn't really makes sense for the Leafs. In terms of value though, I think it's fair.

Leafs would be looking at moving Kessel likely for a package including a top prospect, preferably a center. Depending on the quality of said prospect (or young player) then the other pieces would be added accordingly.

With Reimer playing well, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense trading a top value asset for something you can pickup for "free" in the off-season.

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02-06-2013, 09:16 AM
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leafs are in no rush to look for a goalie. Reimer looks more than steady in our net.

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02-06-2013, 09:20 AM
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Big no thanks from the Leafs. Reimer has been great thus far. Regained his good form from two years ago.

I would make the trade just to get Ryan, i like that he is tied up a year longer and goes to the net more. Plus I think Ryan would love a chance to prove he is the man, just my two cents.

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02-06-2013, 09:23 AM
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I believe Anaheim has some of he best goaltending depth in the league with Fasth, Andersen & Gibson all behind Hiller. If the coaching staff believes in a Fath / Andersen combo going forward, I think sending Hiller to the Leafs makes a tonne of sense. He's got one year left at $4.5 and is liked by Carlyle.

What would it take?
Anaheim could lose Selanne, Koivu, Getzlaf and Perry next year.

I propose Kessel for Hiller straight up.
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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02-06-2013, 09:23 AM
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I would say that is the going rate for a legitimate #1 starting goalie. Hiller is in the same company as Rinne and Price. Great stats, good playoff experience, just hasn't won yet.
Going rate based on what precident??? Hiller is a league average goalie, maybe slightly above. Kessel is an elite scoring winger. Your assessment is waaaaaaay off.

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02-06-2013, 09:25 AM
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Goaltending has NOT been our problem this year, defence actually has been.

Mike Kostka, for all his effort, should NOT be on anyone's top paring, he should be a solid #5.

This picture sums it all up for us nicely


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02-06-2013, 09:25 AM
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when I glanced at this thread I thought it was hitler to the leafs

I see a few problems with the Ducks moving Hillerto anyone

While Fasth is off to a good start,I do not think the ducks will rush him and move Hiller right now. Fasth is the same age as Hiller and becomes a UFA after this season and the ducks do not have anyone else NHL ready

While talking UFA-- Ducks have a lot of guys on the last year of their contracts and moving Hiller for Kessel--while both have one more year left, does not address the forth coming doom and gloom some duck fans think is coming. If the Ducks do BLOW up their team to do a full rebuild, you will see guys like Hiller, Perry and Getz moved for guys who stand a good chance of being a duck in 5 years.

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Hiller
2010-2011 ducks 49 26 16 - 3 5 114 1,493 .924 2.56 2,672
2011-2012 ducks 73 29 30 - 12 4 182 2,021 .910 2.57 4,253
2012-2013 ducks 5 3 1 - 1 0 18 140 .871 3.54 305

Price
2010-2011 canadiens 72 38 28 - 6 8 165 2,147 .923 2.35 4,206
2011-2012 canadiens 65 26 28 - 11 4 160 1,914 .916 2.43 3,944
2012-2013 canadiens 7 6 1 - 0 0 12 195 .938 1.70 423

Rinne

2010-2011 PREDATORS 64 33 22 - 9 6 134 1,905 .930 2.12 3,789
2011-2012 PREDATORS 73 43 18 - 8 5 166 2,153 .923 2.39 4,169
2012-2013 PREDATORS 7 2 2 - 3 0 16 189 .915 2.16 444

Pretty damn close. BTW Halak hd not been a starter for half a season never mind 2+ like Hiller.
These numbers are no where near being close. What are you even looking at? Hiller is the worst of all 3 in S%, GAA, Games played, wins... Do I need to go on?

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Are ducks fans mentally challenged leafs management laughs their ***** off for hours till ducks hang up hiller isn't getting you Kessel not by a long shot

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Or super consistent, long term stability in goal for a great cap hit!
Long term is right. How many 44 year old goalies do you know of that are playing? Oh and with the new cap, not such a friendly hit.

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02-06-2013, 09:40 AM
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First off Fasth is a UFA after this season. And with him being uncertain after this season why would we do this? Don't we have to much UFA bull **** going on? This deal is dangerous and will require Kessel + 1st 2013 to even us to consider a Hiller move
Good lord...

You should just step away from your keyboard and take up another hobby

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Goaltending has NOT been our problem this year, defence actually has been.

Mike Kostka, for all his effort, should NOT be on anyone's top paring, he should be a solid #5.

This picture sums it all up for us nicely

Where in that photo is mike Kostka? He hasnt been bad this year. His game against the Rangers is the only reason why his stats are out of sink with the rest of the team.

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02-06-2013, 09:54 AM
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Where in that photo is mike Kostka? He hasnt been bad this year. His game against the Rangers is the only reason why his stats are out of sink with the rest of the team.
That photo wasn't necessarily to single out Kostka, but our defence as a whole.

I have nothing against Kostka, but there is a reason he:
1) Went undrafted
2) Played for 6 AHL teams in 6 years
3) Didn't play an NHL game till the age of 27

The reason for all of the above is not that he was learning and prepping to be a #2 NHL defenceman.

Like I said, if Kostka is your #5/6 you are alright with that. Playing 25.5 minutes a night (the 5th most ice time logged by anyone in the NHL this season) is not where he should be...

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02-06-2013, 10:04 AM
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Are ducks fans mentally challenged leafs management laughs their ***** off for hours till ducks hang up hiller isn't getting you Kessel not by a long shot
The one who made this proposal and the one asking for Kessel+1st are, yes.

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Are ducks fans mentally challenged leafs management laughs their ***** off for hours till ducks hang up hiller isn't getting you Kessel not by a long shot
that's funny, when the leaf fan base here by far makes up the worst trade ideas

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Here is how hill is traded.

Season goes on. Fasth plays great. Hill plays ok.

Ducks are short cash for Getz and Perry contracts.

Fasth accepts reasonable contract extension.

Ducks deal Hiller because someone called at the deadline, desperate. But... He has 1 year left, right? The ducks arent shopping him at the trade deadline unless a big hole opens and the ducks think they got a shot at a cup.

That wouldnt happen until the offseason anyway.

This is a sprint season. You dont have time to build, develop, make a bunch of futures moves.

Get the season in the can. Evaluate after and tool for a full offseason and next year.

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I'm not saying it would be a good deal and I'm not saying he is better then Price and Rinne, but 10-11 Hiller was top 5 in the NHL easily until he got hit in the head.



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That does affect the value, for sure. But Hiller is already 30y.o. (only 4 years younger than Lou), while Kessel in only 25. If we ain't getting Kadri and Bozak, you're not getting anywhere near Kessel with that offer!

Horrendous for the Leafs!

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02-06-2013, 11:19 AM
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Hiller for Leafs 1st would be plenty. Another option is Kulemin.

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That photo wasn't necessarily to single out Kostka, but our defence as a whole.

I have nothing against Kostka, but there is a reason he:
1) Went undrafted
2) Played for 6 AHL teams in 6 years
3) Didn't play an NHL game till the age of 27

The reason for all of the above is not that he was learning and prepping to be a #2 NHL defenceman.

Like I said, if Kostka is your #5/6 you are alright with that. Playing 25.5 minutes a night (the 5th most ice time logged by anyone in the NHL this season) is not where he should be...
He was initially signed to Rochester and played 1 game after his final college season. He proceeded to move from Rochester to the Buffalo Sabres NEW AHL affiliate the Portland pirates. After his contract was up with Portland he was signed to a 1 year NHL contract with the Florida Panthers. He was returned to their AHL affiliate which was Rochester at the time. Florida's farm team then moved from Rochester to San Antonio the following year. He was acquired by the Tampa Bay lightning via trade to push for a Calder Cup Championship.

So he really only played for 4 AHL teams. With the Marlies being the 4th and final team before being called up to the NHL. He was slated to make the NHL when at camp for the Panthers, however was bumped down as the final cut.

Bumped by

Brian Campbell
Dimitri Kulikov
Jason Garisson
Mike Weaver
Ed Jovanovski
Erik Gudbranson
Keaton Ellerby

Hypothetical facts only pain part of the picture. Let me hear your actual analysis of his game play rather then irrelevant facts.

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Hiller for Leafs 1st would be plenty. Another option is Kulemin.
No it isn't.

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I know Kessel is off to a bad start but Hiller is not worth a guy with 4 stright 30 goal years
Imagine having a great goalie that could consistently score 30 goals. Crazy.

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He was initially signed to Rochester and played 1 game after his final college season. He proceeded to move from Rochester to the Buffalo Sabres NEW AHL affiliate the Portland pirates. After his contract was up with Portland he was signed to a 1 year NHL contract with the Florida Panthers. He was returned to their AHL affiliate which was Rochester at the time. Florida's farm team then moved from Rochester to San Antonio the following year. He was acquired by the Tampa Bay lightning via trade to push for a Calder Cup Championship.

So he really only played for 4 AHL teams. With the Marlies being the 4th and final team before being called up to the NHL. He was slated to make the NHL when at camp for the Panthers, however was bumped down as the final cut.

Bumped by

Brian Campbell
Dimitri Kulikov
Jason Garisson
Mike Weaver
Ed Jovanovski
Erik Gudbranson
Keaton Ellerby

Hypothetical facts only pain part of the picture. Let me hear your actual analysis of his game play rather then irrelevant facts.
They used 9 defenceman (as far as I can tell) last year, and never was Kostka a call up for them. Robak, Weaver, and Yonkman were called up before him...

Like I said, I don't think he is a terrible player, he is definitely respectable, but the fact he is playing top pairing on the team, and has logged top NHL minutes is not appropriate for someone of his skill. With each game that goes by he is getting more and more exposed for his flaws (I am thinking of the Skinner play against Carolina off the top of my head right now).

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Imagine having a great goalie that could consistently score 30 goals. Crazy.
are you agreeing with me? cause I meant hiller was not worth Kessel

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Goaltending has NOT been our problem this year, defence actually has been.

Mike Kostka, for all his effort, should NOT be on anyone's top paring, he should be a solid #5.

This picture sums it all up for us nicely

Stop blaming Kostka for Holzers mistakes. That said, Riemer has been far from the problem and on some nights has been the reason why the Leaf's are batting .500. We sure could use a nice big centre though.

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