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02-06-2013, 09:48 AM
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have you ever been on a team? there is no such thing as a losing culture. players who are content with losing dont stay in the league. as much money as these guys get they are all competitive, you dont get losing cancer from losing a few hockey games,
If you don't think finishing dead last (or close to it) for several years doesn't have some effect on the morale and the culture of a team, I'm not sure what to say.

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if one of eberle, hall, nuge and yak didnt look right now to have tremendous upside i would be all for trading any one of them, but that isnt the case. do you sell players with that much upside for lesser players?

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Such as? How can you come out ahead in skill if you trade one of the young guys away? Who out there is more skilled and available?
Again, I'm not the GM, so I have no idea who is available.

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02-06-2013, 09:55 AM
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Again, I'm not the GM, so I have no idea who is available.
That's fine, but obviously none of us know. I'm asking for specifics. What kind of deals would you make?

There only seem like two kinds...

Trading one of them for an upgrade in skill in the same position, which seems like it would be next to impossible for a variety of reasons, or...

Trading one of them for parts to upgrade other positions, which, at the very least, seems like an extreme waste of assets.

I'm not sure which one you had in mind.

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Such as? How can you come out ahead in skill if you trade one of the young guys away? Who out there is more skilled and available?
You put one of the kids up and you'll find out. Putting a Hall or Eberle on the market is going to make some untouchable all of a sudden touchable.

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02-06-2013, 09:56 AM
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Well then what were you talking about with Columbus, Florida and the Islanders?

What players do they have that you were comparing to the Oilers?
My comparison to those teams is that they all have had high picks and lots of players with potential, but could never put it together to get to that next level.

We have a lot of youth that have potential, but what makes us different than those teams that were in the same situation? We don't have any generational talent IMO (i.e. Crosby, Malkin, etc.)

Anyways, I've given my thoughts and opinions and I'll leave it be. I'm not interested in getting into a pissing match.

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02-06-2013, 09:57 AM
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do we go hard after perry? or getzlaf?

Clowe? I really wanna grab 2 guys, one big center who can be 2/3. and a big top 6 winger, who can hit hard.

david clarkson would be great too. Hell give me a D as well,

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02-06-2013, 09:58 AM
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You put one of the kids up and you'll find out. Putting a Hall or Eberle on the market is going to make some untouchable all of a sudden touchable.
Find me one trade in the salary cap era that saw a star go for a star. Quantity for quality is the name of the game.

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02-06-2013, 10:00 AM
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My comparison to those teams is that they all have had high picks and lots of players with potential, but could never put it together to get to that next level.

We have a lot of youth that have potential, but what makes us different than those teams that were in the same situation? We don't have any generational talent IMO (i.e. Crosby, Malkin, etc.)

Anyways, I've given my thoughts and opinions and I'll leave it be. I'm not interested in getting into a pissing match.
I've asked your opinions, but haven't gotten them yet. That part always seems to get avoided.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. I can't see the comparison between the Oilers' young group and the Islanders'. Usually there's a clear difference when picking 1st overall or picking 7th. I understand the situation you're trying to avoid, but I don't think the situations can be compared right now.

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02-06-2013, 10:03 AM
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You put one of the kids up and you'll find out. Putting a Hall or Eberle on the market is going to make some untouchable all of a sudden touchable.
And you think that player would really be more beneficial to the Oilers than Hall or Eberle? Even if it's close, obviously the Oilers would rather keep their own young players.

If you're just saying "try it and see what happens", it's because we don't know what the actual market is or would be. Tambellini and GMs around the league would have a much better idea, whether any players have been offered or not.

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do we go hard after perry? or getzlaf?

Clowe? I really wanna grab 2 guys, one big center who can be 2/3. and a big top 6 winger, who can hit hard.

david clarkson would be great too. Hell give me a D as well,
Clowe would be amazing, and exactly what we need. But I doubt San Jose is willing to move him.

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My comparison to those teams is that they all have had high picks and lots of players with potential, but could never put it together to get to that next level.
Columbus had one first overall, a fourth overall and a bunch outside the top 5. Islanders were also picking in the middle of the top 10 quite a bit. Florida had one top 5 pick in the last decade. None of these teams are good comps for a team with three #1 picks.

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Find me one trade in the salary cap era that saw a star go for a star. Quantity for quality is the name of the game.
In material whether it's happened in the past or not.

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Ryan OReilly for Sam Gagner

OReilly is exactly what the Oilers need in a second line centre. He can win a draw, play in both zones and put up points.

LETS GET 'ER DONE!

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02-06-2013, 10:14 AM
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In material whether it's happened in the past or not.
So you can't think of any examples, then?

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And you think that player would really be more beneficial to the Oilers than Hall or Eberle? Even if it's close, obviously the Oilers would rather keep their own young players.

If you're just saying "try it and see what happens", it's because we don't know what the actual market is or would be. Tambellini and GMs around the league would have a much better idea, whether any players have been offered or not.
Is it not possible you get an Evander Kane and he brings more overall to this club?

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So you can't think of any examples, then?
I didn't even think about it.

No team has ever won the cup with 3 straight overall picks, does that mean we won't be able to do it either?

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I need to clarify myself as well. I'm not saying we should go out and trade Eberle for Evander Kane, but I'm not going to be shocked when this team realizes they need to make a shakeup in order to take that next step. That next step could very well be 2 or 3 years from now.

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I didn't even think about it.
Clearly.

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No team has ever won the cup with 3 straight overall picks, does that mean we won't be able to do it either?
Let me introduce you to my friend "sample size."

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02-06-2013, 10:24 AM
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So you can't think of any examples, then?
Heatley for Hossa.

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Heatley for Hossa.
Great: we just need to wait until some star on another team kills his friend and teammate in a automobile crash.

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None of our players are on the same level as Malkin or Crosby. And like it or not, both Chicago and Pittsburgh will always be better at drawing free agents to fill their gaps and needs.
Nobody wanted to go to Pittsburgh until they got Crosby and Chicago didn't land any big free agents until they were already a playoff team. The core of that team was built on trades and mostly drafting.

Toews, Kane, Keith, Seabrook, Bolland, Byfuglien, Brouwer, Burish and Hjalmarsson were all draft picks.

Sharp, Havlat, Ladd, Versteeg, and Pahlsson (deadline) were all added through trade. None of those additions cost them a Toews/Kane/Seabrook/Keith. Ruutu was the closest thing to an actual asset they had to move for those players. The rest of those players were had for a song. The closest we've ever come to making a trade like that is when we got Gilbert for Salo. I don't know if Tambellini is capable of making that type of move.

Only Khabibulin, Huet, and Campbell were signed as free agents. They didn't get Hossa until after they'd made the SCF. Us landing Khabibulin and Schultz would have to be considered a similar UFA haul.

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Great: we just need to wait until some star on another team kills his friend and teammate in a automobile crash.
Stewart, Shattenkirk for Johnson.

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02-06-2013, 10:33 AM
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Is it not possible you get an Evander Kane and he brings more overall to this club?
Good example. It's very possible - anything is.

I wouldn't count on it being very likely, personally, and I don't think it's a risk the team could really afford to take.

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I didn't even think about it.

No team has ever won the cup with 3 straight overall picks, does that mean we won't be able to do it either?
Umm, Quebec/Colorado comes to mind.

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