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02-06-2013, 12:27 PM
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And Regier will not fire Ruff. They're going down together. Pegula needs to get the balls to do it. The longer he waits, the more he sets the franchise back.
If Regier doesn't do it by this offseason, then he needs to go...

but he just signed a long term extension so that's not possible

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02-06-2013, 12:44 PM
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I disagree with your disagreement. Not to say the team didn't sometimes look lost under BTG's ownership, but this is a new level of ineptitude. Couple that with the fact that Lindy's been festering behind the bench for another two years now, and... yikes.
Here's the disconnect. My criteria of how Pegula is doing as an owner goes beyond how the team is performing on the ice, right now.

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1) Pegula did specifically say when asked, that both Lindy and Regier "ain't going nowhere".

2) Pegula is the man. If his GM can't muster up the courage to dismiss Ruff, he either needs to have somebody else do it, or pressure Regier to do so. You bet your ass if Pegula/Black have a "meeting" with Darcy and say they want Lindy replaced, he would be. If he sees his GM unable to fire the coach who deserves so because their "friends", then him doing nothing about that would make him just as at fault.
You really want Pegula meddling with the team's direction? I sure don't. You get him telling Black to fire Regier, then what? He doesn't like certain schemes, so they need to be replaced? Doesn't like certain players, so they need to be traded? I want Pegula nowhere near making any hockey related decisions.

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02-06-2013, 02:22 PM
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If Regier doesn't do it by this offseason, then he needs to go...

but he just signed a long term extension so that's not possible
Was it ever publicized how long of an extension it was?

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You really want Pegula meddling with the team's direction? I sure don't. You get him telling Black to fire Regier, then what? He doesn't like certain schemes, so they need to be replaced? Doesn't like certain players, so they need to be traded? I want Pegula nowhere near making any hockey related decisions.
Are you suggesting that the TP didnt have input into DR's extension?

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Are you suggesting that the TP didnt have input into DR's extension?

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I would hope that the decision to extend DR as well as fire him if needed, would come solely from Black, I really do.

I just doubt it.

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I want him to hire Yanick Perreault to consult for the team on faceoffs. Basically focus on spending all of his time helping these young kids improve that skill.

Other than that, the rest is up to Darcy.

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Was it ever publicized how long of an extension it was?
It doesn't matter.

Like I've said repeatedly, front office contracts are just paper. Anyone can be fired at any time, it just costs money, which we all know Pegula has.

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And Regier will not fire Ruff. They're going down together. Pegula needs to get the balls to do it. The longer he waits, the more he sets the franchise back.
If left to his own devices, I think Regier would retain Ruff and in that sense they are a pair who live and die together.

However, it is another matter entirely if the order comes down from on high for Regier to fire Ruff. That's where Regier's loyalty to Ruff ends.

If you think Regier will refuse to fire Ruff as a matter of principle and resign rather than fire Ruff, you are naive.

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02-06-2013, 02:51 PM
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Here's the disconnect. My criteria of how Pegula is doing as an owner goes beyond how the team is performing on the ice, right now.
But due to a complex set of circumstances, the team's on-ice performance is currently directly linked to the owner.

We all know Regier is unlikely to fire Ruff based on his own initiative. That is where Pegula comes in.

His job as owner is to place the right people in charge, pay the bills, and let his people do their thing.

The right people are not currently in charge. And the situation will not sort itself out without Pegula's input. So his failure to act in this way is where he is to be blamed.

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You really want Pegula meddling with the team's direction? I sure don't. You get him telling Black to fire Regier, then what? He doesn't like certain schemes, so they need to be replaced? Doesn't like certain players, so they need to be traded? I want Pegula nowhere near making any hockey related decisions.
I think your slippery slope argument is unwarranted.

No one wants a meddling owner who excessively interferes at the team's expense.

That is not what we are talking about here.

We are talking about Pegula stepping in to bring in a new coach and/or GM, then quietly going back to counting his money.

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That's not a cold hard fact unless your qualifiers are extremely limited in scope.
Like Bill Parcells used to say, "You are what your record says you are."

In the first full season under Pegula's ownership, they missed the playoffs.

In the second full season under Pegula, they appear headed that way again.

I would say that is a step back over the on ice results under BTG (made the playoffs in 3 out of 6 full seasons).

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I think your slippery slope argument is unwarranted.

No one wants a meddling owner who excessively interferes at the team's expense.

That is not what we are talking about here.

We are talking about Pegula stepping in to bring in a new coach and/or GM, then quietly going back to counting his money.
Except it's not automatic that he just quietly walks away after. He's not a career hockey person. You get him involved in making management or coaching decisions now, and he might just figure he needs to make them in the future. He pays Black for a reason, and stuff like this is part of it.

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02-06-2013, 04:34 PM
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Except it's not automatic that he just quietly walks away after. He's not a career hockey person. You get him involved in making management or coaching decisions now, and he might just figure he needs to make them in the future. He pays Black for a reason, and stuff like this is part of it.
Yes but he's the boss.

Should have have to meddle in hockey affairs? No, he shouldn't have to. But if the people below him lack the wherewithal or the balls to do something that appears obvious to him and everybody else, whether due to a personal relationship or ineptitude, then I expect him to say something about it.

And the end of the day, the guy who signs the checks calls the shots, and if the people he hired to make those decisions isn't doing their job, then it's on Terry to step in and make it happen. The buck stops with him. You're also making a big leap there, assuming because he would make one hockey related decision that he would automatically make more and more of them. Seeing as how he personally flies to visit free agents, I think he's more involved in the hockey process than that to begin with.

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02-06-2013, 05:03 PM
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Here's the way I look at it.
The Coach should be judged in the very short-term -- how well the team is doing day-to-day and week-to-week.
The GM should judged in the medium-term -- how well the team is doing year-to-year.
The Owner should be judged in the long-term -- how successful the team is over a longer period... 5-10 years.

Pegula hasn't been the owner long enough to come to any meaningful conclusions.

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Yes but he's the boss.

Should have have to meddle in hockey affairs? No, he shouldn't have to. But if the people below him lack the wherewithal or the balls to do something that appears obvious to him and everybody else, whether due to a personal relationship or ineptitude, then I expect him to say something about it.

And the end of the day, the guy who signs the checks calls the shots, and if the people he hired to make those decisions isn't doing their job, then it's on Terry to step in and make it happen. The buck stops with him. You're also making a big leap there, assuming because he would make one hockey related decision that he would automatically make more and more of them. Seeing as how he personally flies to visit free agents, I think he's more involved in the hockey process than that to begin with.
Then that's currently a fault with Black, not Pegula. Lindy being fired is a function of Darcy, and making sure Darcy does what he's supposed to is a function of Black. If Darcy's not being pushed to make some kind of decision or isn't willing to fire Lindy, then Black has to instigate that. If Black doesn't want to do anything about it, then yes, at that point you're up to Pegula doing something about since there's nobody left. Pegula skipping over Black and making decisions on his own is just a bad idea. Black knows hockey operations, Pegula doesn't. Let him handle it.

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02-06-2013, 06:32 PM
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Exactly. Maybe he's only looking at "team effort" and record.





There are many things that Golisano/Quinn would of never done that Pegula/Black have done. Don't be so narrow minded.
Guess what?

As a fan, I only care about the on ice product. I don't care about fireplaces in locker rooms, statues, bells that signal the period is about to start, and things like that.

I care about the scoreboard and what the numbers read on it when the clock strikes 00:00.

Nothing else gives me satisfaction.

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Pegula made his choice to keep the two when he took over. That can be criticized, but that he has kept them after 1 season and weeks into a 2nd can't really be criticized, imo. This thread shouldn't exist so early.

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Here's the way I look at it.
The Coach should be judged in the very short-term -- how well the team is doing day-to-day and week-to-week.
The GM should judged in the medium-term -- how well the team is doing year-to-year.
The Owner should be judged in the long-term -- how successful the team is over a longer period... 5-10 years.

Pegula hasn't been the owner long enough to come to any meaningful conclusions.
I agree - but I'd lump coach/GM in together. Or at least not as short-term as you're indicating. The coach/GM need to work in tandem to figure out a working system and to get those players in the fold. That can take 3-4 years. At that point, if it's not working? Can the coach.

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What do you realistically want from Terry Pegula at this current moment? You want him to start knocking doors down, demanding we trade for 12 guys this season? ("you" being the hypothetical fan who's complaining about Pegula, not you specifically, sba)
I want Pegs to start living up to his damned words that he said when he became owner 2 years ago....that the Sabres' sole purpose of existence is to win the Stanley Cup. Well, guess what, Terry? You're NOT going to do it with your head coach and general manager. If you can't see that, Stevie Wonder would like to know what's wrong with your eye sight. Neither Regier NOT Ruff are going to voluntarily exit, so you and your hockey folks may have to pull the trigger and do it or risk your fan base not taking care of your precious toy.

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Pegula is garbage until he wins a playoff series. Ted Black is a clown too. They can shove their fireplaces and big Sabre logo in the locker room up where the sun don't shine. I'm already sick of this whole franchise top to bottom. Pegula is the savior around here (and Golisano evil) yet what has Pegula done? Waste millions on Leino? Build a locker room (LoL) and a fireplace? Tell us "They aren't going anywhere"? Ted Black is just a tool, a Penguins cast off who obviously was not the reason for there success as he has brought nothing here.

Oh I get it, he went around delivering season tickets so in the boards eyes here he can do no wrong. If Pegula supports Ruff then he should be judged on Ruffs successes and failures end of story.

I bought the Pegula kool aid. I remember I was at the game where durin a break they put a spotlight in the 300 level and Pegula was sitting there waving his hand like he was the ****ing king. Pegula isn't a good owner, he's a Ruff/Sabre fanboy who made enough to buy the team. He has no logical thinking , or else he would have fired Ruff as soon as he became owner

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Pegula gets way too much slack from people. I guess because he got emotional around the french connection and was a die hard Sabres fan. I couldn't care less. The man needs to put the franchises best interest first. He hasn't. Built a ridiculously expensive locker room? Cool. He's been a fraud as far as I'm concerned. Everyone else here can be patient for years. I'm not. It's been long enough.

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Pegula gets way too much slack from people. I guess because he got emotional around the french connection and was a die hard Sabres fan. I couldn't care less. The man needs to put the franchises best interest first. He hasn't. Built a ridiculously expensive locker room? Cool. He's been a fraud as far as I'm concerned. Everyone else here can be patient for years. I'm not. It's been long enough.
Considering it's been less than two years and the guy has done everything right, outside of firing the GM like a lot of people want... no, not really.

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Pegula is garbage until he wins a playoff series. Ted Black is a clown too. They can shove their fireplaces and big Sabre logo in the locker room up where the sun don't shine. I'm already sick of this whole franchise top to bottom. Pegula is the savior around here (and Golisano evil) yet what has Pegula done? Waste millions on Leino? Build a locker room (LoL) and a fireplace? Tell us "They aren't going anywhere"? Ted Black is just a tool, a Penguins cast off who obviously was not the reason for there success as he has brought nothing here.

Oh I get it, he went around delivering season tickets so in the boards eyes here he can do no wrong. If Pegula supports Ruff then he should be judged on Ruffs successes and failures end of story.

I bought the Pegula kool aid. I remember I was at the game where durin a break they put a spotlight in the 300 level and Pegula was sitting there waving his hand like he was the ****ing king. Pegula isn't a good owner, he's a Ruff/Sabre fanboy who made enough to buy the team. He has no logical thinking , or else he would have fired Ruff as soon as he became owner
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