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02-06-2013, 10:12 AM
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[QUOTE=Zip15;59157829]
"One of our better defensive forwards wasn't ever 100%..." (Gerbe)QUOTE]

Since when was Gerbe ever considered a "better defensive forward?" I think he's terrible. He's too small to play and should simply be waived.

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"We lost our top defensive defenseman..." (Regehr)

"We lost our top defensive forward..." (Kaleta)

"One of our better defensive forwards wasn't ever 100%..." (Gerbe)

"We dug ourselves a hole early in the season while a lot of guys were getting up to speed..." (the case for just about every team, guys)

"In a short season, so much is determined by health, and we just weren't healthy and we put ourselves in a bad position..."

Things you'll hear after the season.
I expect we'll start hearing that spin well prior to that. He put this team together -- apparently being able to check someone is no longer a part of Darcy Regier's evaluation. Or he's so convinced Ruff can turn a defensive purse out of an offensive sow's ear that he has made no such moves. Bt this mis-aligned set of "talent" is Regier's baby, he put this **** together. I don't understand the contract extension in light of his lack of ability to put even a workmanlike roster together.

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02-06-2013, 10:25 AM
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I understand that physical players get cut much more slack in Buffalo, but Foligno's lackluster play for most of the early season has been one of the under-discussed topics around here. He's had some flashes (3rd period @Washington springs to mind) but he's not bringing close to the effort he had last season, nor is he making the plays he was last year. I recognized that FES couldn't keep up the unsustainable shooting percentage they had as a line last year, and that Foligno will probably never eclipse 40-45 pts as an NHL player, but he's been poor this season, and I think I'm being kind.

If this organization had any gall (or depth), they'd send him back to Rochester for a week or two. IIRC, I recall Amerks fans talking about Foligno had cooled off significantly during the month preceding the end of the lockout, and that looks to have carried over.
There is a disturbing trend of young, "big", forwards having very early offensive success under Ruff... and than falling back to earth (Kotalik, Stafford, Adam, Foligno)




This has been a problem for a couple of years. I'm just waiting for opposing forwards to being construction of single-family homes in our slot. They'd probably have the time and space to do so.



Given that he'll probably be facing 35-40 shots per game behind this trashbag of a defensive hockey club, a 3.00 GAA might not be that bad.[/QUOTE]

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02-06-2013, 10:28 AM
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I expect we'll start hearing that spin well prior to that. He put this team together -- apparently being able to check someone is no longer a part of Darcy Regier's evaluation. Or he's so convinced Ruff can turn a defensive purse out of an offensive sow's ear that he has made no such moves. Bt this mis-aligned set of "talent" is Regier's baby, he put this **** together. I don't understand the contract extension in light of his lack of ability to put even a workmanlike roster together.
His contract extension was probably based by his moves "on paper", and not the actual product. Also...Pegula "likes working with him."

He needs to be a little less involved on the hockey side of things.

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02-06-2013, 10:50 AM
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I expect we'll start hearing that spin well prior to that. He put this team together -- apparently being able to check someone is no longer a part of Darcy Regier's evaluation. Or he's so convinced Ruff can turn a defensive purse out of an offensive sow's ear that he has made no such moves. Bt this mis-aligned set of "talent" is Regier's baby, he put this **** together. I don't understand the contract extension in light of his lack of ability to put even a workmanlike roster together.
Ruff's comments this summer, especially in regard to the Roy trade and our center situation, seem to hint at a slight disconnect with Regier.

We have known about Ruff's desire to be a GM for awhile now, I wonder if the two have opposing directions for this club and Regier, with full support from a wealthy owner, wants to put his stamp on this team despite Ruff's warnings about the personnel Regier has brought in/ has not brought in. I also wonder if Ruff really wanted to keep Grigs on the team. Perhaps Regier and ownership pressured him to give the kid a full season when Ruff felt he wasn't ready?

This is not to remove blame from Ruff, who needs to be held accountable for this poor start just as much as Regier, but rather to highlight what could be an emerging development within this organization. Perhaps this team is not big enough for Ruff and Regier?

This is all speculation and is meant to provoke discussion.

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02-06-2013, 11:03 AM
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His contract extension was probably based by his moves "on paper", and not the actual product. Also...Pegula "likes working with him."

He needs to be a little less involved on the hockey side of things.
Whats the limit? At some point Terry needs to make it well known to Darcy that this product is not playing to the standards he expects Buffalo Sabres Hockey to be played at; unless, of course, THIS is the standard of Buffalo Hockey.

The thing I'm worried about is what happens when Darcy is pressured to make a decision. I think we all saw the first time in a long what darcy does when he has to make a pressured decision...He signs Leino.

I know Terry doesn't really like being hated, but you also don't need to be so sft towards management. Of all the people that needed to be known you're committed to a Stanley Cup and their job is at risk, GM and Coach are at the top.

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Ruff's comments this summer, especially in regard to the Roy trade and our center situation, seem to hint at a slight disconnect with Regier.
Regier's moves show he's moving in a different direction. You think Ruff wanted any part of drafting Armia or Grigorenko?

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Regier's moves show he's moving in a different direction. You think Ruff wanted any part of drafting Armia or Grigorenko?
also trading roy and goose

my hope is that these signs are really an indication that Darcy is in the midst of a trial separation, and most separations lead to divorce

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02-06-2013, 11:31 AM
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Regier's moves show he's moving in a different direction. You think Ruff wanted any part of drafting Armia or Grigorenko?
I do. I doubt he objected to drafting that type of skill...where I think he may have a beef with Regier pertains to keeping Grigs up. During the five game try out Grigs got it seemed to me, by the way Ruff handled him, that he didn't think Grigs was ready. Then suddenly he stays?? I gotta think Regier and co got involved...

Pure speculation on my part.

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02-06-2013, 11:33 AM
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No, Ruff's unabashed bigotry makes him despise talent, obv.

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In the past, Regier was the good soldier. He knew he was married to Ruff and had to tow the patriarch (owners) line. He did that very well... but now he has a results oriented boss, and does not need to be married to Ruff, since Buffalo is probably not viewed as the small market, ******** owner destination it was in the past.

Plenty of Coaches would want to work for a deep pocketed owner like Pegula. Regier knows the situation is different. He knows he has more freedom and security within that freedom to go in HIS direction.

The end is near... I can feel it.

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In the past, Regier was the good soldier. He knew he was married to Ruff and had to tow the patriarch (owners) line. He did that very well... but now he has a results oriented boss, and does not need to be married to Ruff, since Buffalo is probably not viewed as the small market, ******** owner destination it was in the past.

Plenty of Coaches would want to work for a deep pocketed owner like Pegula. Regier knows the situation is different. He knows he has more freedom and security within that freedom to go in HIS direction.

The end is near... I can feel it.
What does it feel like? Kid in a candy store?

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also trading roy and goose
didn't even think of that, that's a stronger example to me

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In the past, Regier was the good soldier. He knew he was married to Ruff and had to tow the patriarch (owners) line. He did that very well... but now he has a results oriented boss, and does not need to be married to Ruff, since Buffalo is probably not viewed as the small market, ******** owner destination it was in the past.

Plenty of Coaches would want to work for a deep pocketed owner like Pegula. Regier knows the situation is different. He knows he has more freedom and security within that freedom to go in HIS direction.

The end is near... I can feel it.
Yup, change is coming, much sooner than people think.

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What does it feel like? Kid in a candy store?
it feels like the night before xmas/birthday... but instead of being able to count down the hours, there is a more ambiguous clock

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Yup, change is coming, much sooner than people think.
I really hope so...

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it feels like the night before xmas/birthday... but instead of being able to count down the hours, there is a more ambiguous clock
I think we've located your clock, and it appers someone got to it before you...


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As someone noted last night in one of the threads, we could quite easily lose our next 6 games, starting tomorrow night.

I genuinely hope we lose all of them, for the Greater Good.

I want to see what happens to Ruff in that situation. I want Regier and/or Pegula to be pushed to the wall so their hand is forced.

That would almost certainly give us the worst record in the league at 3-12-1.

If Ruff doesn't get fired at that point, he is not going to get fired, at least during the season.

And really, if Ruff is going to get fired at the end of the year and that determination has already been made or is 90% already made, he should be fired immediately. It serves the organization better.

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I really have a hard time blaming Enroth after watching some of the #1 goalies around the league struggling in their first games after the lockout - especially when he's playing with this lackluster defense in front of him. Bad goaltending ain't the primary reason why this team has allowed the most goals against in the league. This team really needs a shutdown center, some gritty D's and a new coach.
If it were just one start, I would be more understanding.

It isn't just this start. He hasn't won a game in a really long time.

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If it were just one start, I would be more understanding.

It isn't just this start. He hasn't won a game in a really long time.
And even when his record was much, much better, he never looked good in the net.

He has always been a bit out of control and his mechanics/fundamental skills seem rather poor to me.

Compare how Enroth moves his body to Miller.

Miller is silky smooth and has a lot of very refined mechanics. Enroth sort of wings it in comparison.

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I thought he looked better in the offensive zone, but he still made a few errors in the defensive zone. He turned over the puck twice near the blue line and that led directly to unconverted scoring chances. Had those gone in, he would've been in just about everyone's "bad" section tonight. I'm still waiting for the Grigs-Ennis-Stafford line.
I certainly expected his defensive game to be his weakest. What I want to see is confidence gained with each game, and a sense of purpose when he has the puck. I've seen that for about 5 games straight now. The turnovers are bad, but in this a transition year, I just want to see steps taken towards improvement. I'm of the belief I've seen that lately.



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I understand that physical players get cut much more slack in Buffalo, but Foligno's lackluster play for most of the early season has been one of the under-discussed topics around here. He's had some flashes (3rd period @Washington springs to mind) but he's not bringing close to the effort he had last season, nor is he making the plays he was last year. I recognized that FES couldn't keep up the unsustainable shooting percentage they had as a line last year, and that Foligno will probably never eclipse 40-45 pts as an NHL player, but he's been poor this season, and I think I'm being kind.
Yep. I'm concerned with his lack of drive, and his nonchalance on the forecheck when compared to last year. This is a guy who never took a shift off in his time here down the stretch last year, basically making it impossible for him to not be in the mix this year. Now, he looks like the spot is his and he's fine with where he's at (complacent).

No free pass for him from me. Do your job. You're a worker, and you're not working.

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And even when his record was much, much better, he never looked good in the net.

He has always been a bit out of control and his mechanics/fundamental skills seem rather poor to me.

Compare how Enroth moves his body to Miller.

Miller is silky smooth and has a lot of very refined mechanics. Enroth sort of wings it in comparison.
That doesn't bother me too much. In fact, Miller isn't that much of a robot goalie and he has technical flaws that drive me nuts, too.

Enroth has some Brodeur to his game. And the fact that Enroth is so much smaller than Miller means that I don't want Enroth playing a similar style of game.

The issue is when he stops stopping the puck. Honestly, I think there are more mental issues with Enroth right now than technical issues.

Kind of like that funk that Miller got into where he was going down too early and too often and getting roasted upstairs.

The question now is can Corsi get Enroth back on track or not....

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Regier's moves show he's moving in a different direction. You think Ruff wanted any part of drafting Armia or Grigorenko?
I have no idea. Has Lindy Ruff ever came right out and said he doesn't like offensive minded European forwards and wouldn't want them on his team?

I think you're making a pretty big assumption there.

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I also think that enroth wasn't the problem last game. ok, the sevond goal right after the faceoff was weak but all the other goals against enroth were the result of an overal bad defensivr zone play by the whole team.....

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I also think that enroth wasn't the problem last game. ok, the sevond goal right after the faceoff was weak but all the other goals against enroth were the result of an overal bad defensivr zone play by the whole team.....
True, at the same time a goalie needs to make those saves, even if he's the backup. The Sabres didn't play well in front of him but he didn't play well at all.

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